Defenition of marriage suggests sex before marriage permitted?!
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Salaam
To own some human being is equivalent to making him/her slave. All human beings are equal. No one can own anyone. If it occurs it is unislamic. Husband and wife they sign a contract on equal basis. No one owns anyone.Wife is not a "commodity " which you own.
RegardsThanks student! Though obvious, but I am surprised that soem still dwell in this slae, owned, chaste fiasco...and ajr becomes a single payment for sex rendered
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Peace siki,
Nor can they be only single women; flip it around use your same words?
24-4 those who accuse single women and then fail bring in 4 witnesses flog them--- does that mean that one can accuse an unsingle chaste woman and get away with it?
24-23 Those who accuse believing single women who are careless === again same as above.
In addition, if applicable to only single women
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No prohibition stated in Qur?an against sex with married believing women (not it 243)
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No punishment for adultery (the married) stated in Qur?an which is how traditionalists view 244 that it only applies to singles and stoning for the married (according to hadith).
As stated prior, is marital status neutral, applicable to married or single adult women similar to ?lady? in English and needs to be examined in context.
To repeat example; exact same word different meaning derived from context
411 - he directs you (p) - God - in - you (p) children
- to the male - alike - luck/fortune - the two females
5417 ? and We have - eased ? the Qur?an - to the remembrance - so is there - from ? those who remember/are mindful
Did I ever say that they are single women? It means Hallal chaste woman, if she is married, she is not available.
Your understanding , and mine is almost the same.
siki
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Peace
I've just realised something...
425 If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands possess And Allah hath full knowledge about your faith.
So if you don't have the means to marry a free believing woman, then marry the one who you have already signed an oath with?
Why would the man want to marry a woman if he already has an oath with another woman?Now I am backed to confused ???
God bless
precisely,
If you had a right hand possession , that meant that you were rich and well placed , so to start with you should not have had a problem in getting a Mohsinna for marriage.
If you had a right hand possession, you had an out let, so the second part of aya , which says , if you fear falling in sin, only then you should marry a MMA, but if you could abstain that was better" does not full fill the criteria.
You are not marrying , your right hand possession, You are marrying some one's right hand possession, with his permission.
And he (ahel) is being instructed in 24-33 to free her, if she asks a deed in this regard.
siki
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Salaam
To own some human being is equivalent to making him/her slave. All human beings are equal. No one can own anyone.If it occurs it is unislamic. Husband and wife they sign a contract on equal basis. No one owns anyone.Wife is not a "commodity " which you own.
RegardsMa Malakat emnakum are history, exactly like the way we don"t find slaves anymore, but back then, they existed, so why are you surprised? Who are these black people in America ? they were all slaves a century back, Mankind has come a long way brother.
I think I would have been more surprised if the book did not contain any instruction regarding them.
siki
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OK, this is getting weird. Now God is addressing the rejectors. No sane believer will push his girls into prostitution. It is understandable that he will forgive the girls being pushed, but He didn't get mad on the pushers.
Which world are you living?
During course of your life , you will get to know many who do that. As for getting mad at pushers, He did forbade them. And when he clearly forbids something, and we do not take heed, better be ready for great repercussions.siki
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Ma Malakat emnakum are history, exactly like the way we don"t find slaves anymore, but back then, they existed, so why are you surprised? Who are these black people in America ? they were all slaves a century back, Mankind has come a long way brother.
I think I would have been more surprised if the book did not contain any instruction regarding them.
siki
Salaam Brother
Can you produce Quranic evidence for their existence ?
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Salaam
To own some human being is equivalent to making him/her slave. All human beings are equal. No one can own anyone.If it occurs it is unislamic. Husband and wife they sign a contract on equal basis. No one owns anyone.Wife is not a "commodity " which you own.
RegardsPeace
I wasn't implying that a man can own a woman. The man was just saying that some people call it a 'possession' when they sign the contract, which he said is wrong, and defintely unislamic! Like I said, I can't remember how he linked it to mma but it was something to do with the signing stage of marriage and that it had nothing to do with 'possessing' the woman.
precisely,
If you had a right hand possession , that meant that you were rich and well placed , so to start with you should not have had a problem in getting a Mohsinna for marriage.
If you had a right hand possession, you had an out let, so the second part of aya , which says , if you fear falling in sin, only then you should marry a MMA, but if you could abstain that was better" does not full fill the criteria.
You are not marrying , your right hand possession, You are marrying some one's right hand possession, with his permission.
And he (ahel) is being instructed in 24-33 to free her, if she asks a deed in this regard.
siki
Hmmm. Makes sense. I'll think about that.
Can you give me the verse numbers please so I can check it in Arabic.God bless
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Salaam
Quranic proof for their existence when Quran was revealed.
RegardsSo , I think I have been talking Greek since last few days.
Have I even once referred to any Hadith or man made history book? Brother! what I have been talking is Quran , pure Quran, nothing but Quran.
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So , I think I have been talking Greek since last few days.
Have I even once referred to any Hadith or man made history book? Brother! what I have been talking is Quran , pure Quran, nothing but Quran.
Salaam
Brother provide the proof then and also how do these MMA exist now.
Unless you decide their nature ,you cannot locate them in todays society.
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Peace
Hmmm. Makes sense. I'll think about that.
Can you give me the verse numbers please so I can check it in Arabic.God bless
4-25, ---- and marry them with the permission of "Ahlehunna"
24-33 --- mimma Ma Malakat emnakum fa katiboohum----
References are already there in the post , i think you dont bother to read .siki
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Salaam
Brother provide the proof then and also how do these MMA exist now.
Unless you decide their nature ,you cannot locate them in todays society.
RegardsI have not come across any MMA or a slave. It is long gone. Future, I dont know, they might be back, Man kind is very cruel by nature. Just wait for the WW-3. ;D
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4-25, ---- and marry them with the permission of "Ahlehunna"
24-33 --- mimma Ma Malakat emnakum fa katiboohum----References are already their in the post , i think you dont bother to read .
siki
Well you thought wrong.
If I didn't bother to read then I would'nt have bothered to reply.
I actually thought that you only gave the verse number for...And he (ahel) is being instructed in 24-33 to free her, if she asks a deed in this regard.
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I have not come across any MMA or a slave. It is long gone. Future, I dont know, they might be back, Man kind is very cruel by nature. Just wait for the WW-3. ;D
salaam
Why do you call them "slaves" ? Why are all of you applying them today when they do not exist .
MMA = what is their nature and status according to quran ?
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Nisa 23-24-25
Prohibited to you (for marriage) are
? your mothers,
? daughters,
? sisters;
? father's sisters,
? mother's sisters;
? brother's daughters,
? sister's daughters;
? foster mothers (who gave you suck),
? foster sisters;
? your wives' mothers;
? your step-daughters residing in your homes from your wives which you have already consummated the marriage with; if you have not consummated the marriage then there is no sin upon you
? the wives of your sons that are from your seed;
? that you join between two sisters except what has already been done
for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful;and permitted for you is what is beyond this, if you are seeking
? with your money
? if you are immune (muhsan)
? not for illicit sex.
As for those whom you have already had joy with them, then you shall give them their wage as an obligation. There is no sin upon you for what you agree to after the obligation. God is Knowledgeable, Wise.Also women who are immune (muhsanat) are prohibited for you, except those whom your oaths possess (except those who agree voluntarily) if Allah has written on you so.
If any of you have not the physical ability to marry immune women, they may marry believing girls from among those whom your oaths possess(among from those who agree voluntarily) and Allah has full knowledge about your Faith. You are one from another You shall marry them with the permission of their parents and give them their wage in kindness; They shall be
? immune (able to have sex),
? not wanting illicit sex
? not taking lovers.
If they become immune (wanting to have sex), then any of them who comes with lewdness shall have half the punishment of what is for the (normal) immune women of the retribution. This is for those who fear hardship from among you. But if you are patient it is better for you, and God is Forgiver, Merciful. -
salaam
Why do you call them "slaves" ? Why are all of you applying them today when they do not exist .
MMA = what is their nature and status according to quran ?
RegardsWe are not applying , we are all quran students like you, we are only studying Quran. Do you want us to abrogate all verses containing MMA?
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We are not applying , we are all quran students like you, we are only studying Quran. Do you want us to abrogate all verses containing MMA?
Please first answer my question.
What is the exact nature of MMA according to Quran? Unless their nature is established ,how we can now that is applicable today or not ?
Regards