Defenition of marriage suggests sex before marriage permitted?!

nsws1988

4-25, ---- and marry them with the permission of "Ahlehunna"
24-33 --- mimma Ma Malakat emnakum fa katiboohum----

References are already their in the post , i think you dont bother to read .

siki

Well you thought wrong.
If I didn't bother to read then I would'nt have bothered to reply.
I actually thought that you only gave the verse number for...

And he (ahel) is being instructed in 24-33 to free her, if she asks a deed in this regard.

Q_student

I have not come across any MMA or a slave. It is long gone. Future, I dont know, they might be back, Man kind is very cruel by nature. Just wait for the WW-3. ;D

salaam
Why do you call them "slaves" ? Why are all of you applying them today when they do not exist .
MMA = what is their nature and status according to quran ?
Regards

Tlepsh

Nisa 23-24-25
Prohibited to you (for marriage) are
? your mothers,
? daughters,
? sisters;
? father's sisters,
? mother's sisters;
? brother's daughters,
? sister's daughters;
? foster mothers (who gave you suck),
? foster sisters;
? your wives' mothers;
? your step-daughters residing in your homes from your wives which you have already consummated the marriage with; if you have not consummated the marriage then there is no sin upon you
? the wives of your sons that are from your seed;
? that you join between two sisters except what has already been done
for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful;

and permitted for you is what is beyond this, if you are seeking
? with your money
? if you are immune (muhsan)
? not for illicit sex.
As for those whom you have already had joy with them, then you shall give them their wage as an obligation. There is no sin upon you for what you agree to after the obligation. God is Knowledgeable, Wise.

Also women who are immune (muhsanat) are prohibited for you, except those whom your oaths possess (except those who agree voluntarily) if Allah has written on you so.
If any of you have not the physical ability to marry immune women, they may marry believing girls from among those whom your oaths possess(among from those who agree voluntarily) and Allah has full knowledge about your Faith. You are one from another You shall marry them with the permission of their parents and give them their wage in kindness; They shall be
? immune (able to have sex),
? not wanting illicit sex
? not taking lovers.
If they become immune (wanting to have sex), then any of them who comes with lewdness shall have half the punishment of what is for the (normal) immune women of the retribution. This is for those who fear hardship from among you. But if you are patient it is better for you, and God is Forgiver, Merciful.

siki

salaam
Why do you call them "slaves" ? Why are all of you applying them today when they do not exist .
MMA = what is their nature and status according to quran ?
Regards

We are not applying , we are all quran students like you, we are only studying Quran. Do you want us to abrogate all verses containing MMA?

Tlepsh

Peace Samia,
Please correct any mistakes you may find in my post above Thanks in advance.

Q_student

We are not applying , we are all quran students like you, we are only studying Quran. Do you want us to abrogate all verses containing MMA?

Please first answer my question.
What is the exact nature of MMA according to Quran? Unless their nature is established ,how we can now that is applicable today or not ?
Regards

siki

Thelps

By the way , you are missing one , in 4-22. wives of your fathers.

siki

Please first answer my question.
What is the exact nature of MMA according to Quran? Unless their nature is established ,how we can now that is applicable today or not ?
Regards

How about you doing some work , and aprising us all ?

siki

Please first answer my question.
What is the exact nature of MMA according to Quran? Unless their nature is established ,how we can now that is applicable today or not ?
Regards

Tell me something , Do you salat?

Q_student

Tell me something , Do you salat?

Salaam
What salaat has to do with MMA ?
I do not understand.Would you please tell me their relationship ?
Regards

siki

Thelps and company!

) So you guys think that quran is full of instructions regarding gender neutral, and hardly any for normal people?

unknownuser

Salaam
What salaat has to do with MMA ?
I do not understand.Would you please tell me their relationship ?
Regards

You ask too many questions brother, sometimes people don't have any answer so you need to be patient with them and give them some more time. Discussion is going very well MashaAllah, we have many answers so far, and will have even more just give everyone some time to think.

Thanks

Q_student

You ask too many questions brother, sometimes people don't have any answer so you need to be patient with them and give them some more time. Discussion is going very well MashaAllah, we have many answers so far, and will have even more just give everyone some time to think.

Thanks

Salaam
No problem ,go ahead without establishing Quranic meanings of MMA.
Regards

siki

Salaam
No problem ,go ahead without establishing Quranic meanings of MMA.
Regards

Brother I am sure you must be carrying out salat regularly. So have you established the Koranic procedure of your salat? If not, then why are you carrying it out that way.

please ponder over what Rasulhamsa said.

regards
siki

Q_student

Brother I am sure you must be carrying out salat regularly. So have you established the Koranic procedure of your salat? If not, then why are you carrying it out that way.

please ponder over what Rasulhamsa said.

regards
siki

Salaam Brother
I am still confused about timings of salaat and its exact method.This thread has nothing to do with it.
Still my Question is
What is the Quranic meaning of MMA ?
Otherwise accept that you are using "Hadithi" meanings and go ahead.
Regards

unknownuser

Salaam Brother
I am still confused about timings of salaat and its exact method.This thread has nothing to do with it.
Still my Question is
What is the Quranic meaning of MMA ?
Otherwise accept that you are using "Hadithi" meanings and go ahead.
Regards

so is that quran which tells you that there should be a method of salaat or you are just try to find a method using "hadithi" meanings of salaat?

Thanks

Q_student

so is that quran which tells you that there should be a method of salaat or you are just try to find a method using "hadithi" meanings of salaat?

Thanks

Salaam
I am not obsessed by
1Hadiths
2Code 19
3Inscriptions
Alhamdulillahi ,I am a Quran student. If you can provide some information I will appreciate.

Note I think because you have no Quranic meanings of MMA ,go ahead with the concept ,the thread should not be derailed.
Regards

unknownuser

Salaam
I am not obsessed by
1Hadiths
2Code 19
3Inscriptions
Alhamdulillahi ,I am a Quran student. If you can provide some information I will appreciate.

Note I think because you have no Quranic meanings of MMA ,go ahead with the concept ,the thread should not be derailed.
Regards

I have no definite idea about MMA yet, if you have any please share your understanding with us.

Thanks

Q_student

I have no definite idea about MMA yet, if you have any please share your understanding with us.

Thanks

Salaam
I do not have either.That is why I am asking again and again.
Regards

siki

I believe this issue is covered in 'The Natural Republic' book
http//free-minds.org/sites/default/files/TNR.pdf

My copy is the 2004 edition, not the updated one.

Brother salam

Your recommended book contains a paragraph saying , "That quranic layal starts at last light, not at sun set" declaring, "practice of breaking fast at sun set wrong" .
Have you changed your understanding?

peace