Defenition of marriage suggests sex before marriage permitted?!
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Nisa 23-24-25
Prohibited to you (for marriage) are
? your mothers,
? daughters,
? sisters;
? father's sisters,
? mother's sisters;
? brother's daughters,
? sister's daughters;
? foster mothers (who gave you suck),
? foster sisters;
? your wives' mothers;
? your step-daughters residing in your homes from your wives which you have already consummated the marriage with; if you have not consummated the marriage then there is no sin upon you
? the wives of your sons that are from your seed;
? that you join between two sisters except what has already been done
for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful;and permitted for you is what is beyond this, if you are seeking
? with your money
? if you are immune (muhsan)
? not for illicit sex.
As for those whom you have already had joy with them, then you shall give them their wage as an obligation. There is no sin upon you for what you agree to after the obligation. God is Knowledgeable, Wise.Also women who are immune (muhsanat) are prohibited for you, except those whom your oaths possess (except those who agree voluntarily) if Allah has written on you so.
If any of you have not the physical ability to marry immune women, they may marry believing girls from among those whom your oaths possess(among from those who agree voluntarily) and Allah has full knowledge about your Faith. You are one from another You shall marry them with the permission of their parents and give them their wage in kindness; They shall be
? immune (able to have sex),
? not wanting illicit sex
? not taking lovers.
If they become immune (wanting to have sex), then any of them who comes with lewdness shall have half the punishment of what is for the (normal) immune women of the retribution. This is for those who fear hardship from among you. But if you are patient it is better for you, and God is Forgiver, Merciful. -
salaam
Why do you call them "slaves" ? Why are all of you applying them today when they do not exist .
MMA = what is their nature and status according to quran ?
RegardsWe are not applying , we are all quran students like you, we are only studying Quran. Do you want us to abrogate all verses containing MMA?
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We are not applying , we are all quran students like you, we are only studying Quran. Do you want us to abrogate all verses containing MMA?
Please first answer my question.
What is the exact nature of MMA according to Quran? Unless their nature is established ,how we can now that is applicable today or not ?
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Salaam
What salaat has to do with MMA ?
I do not understand.Would you please tell me their relationship ?
RegardsYou ask too many questions brother, sometimes people don't have any answer so you need to be patient with them and give them some more time. Discussion is going very well MashaAllah, we have many answers so far, and will have even more just give everyone some time to think.
Thanks
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You ask too many questions brother, sometimes people don't have any answer so you need to be patient with them and give them some more time. Discussion is going very well MashaAllah, we have many answers so far, and will have even more just give everyone some time to think.
Thanks
Salaam
No problem ,go ahead without establishing Quranic meanings of MMA.
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Salaam
No problem ,go ahead without establishing Quranic meanings of MMA.
RegardsBrother I am sure you must be carrying out salat regularly. So have you established the Koranic procedure of your salat? If not, then why are you carrying it out that way.
please ponder over what Rasulhamsa said.
regards
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Brother I am sure you must be carrying out salat regularly. So have you established the Koranic procedure of your salat? If not, then why are you carrying it out that way.
please ponder over what Rasulhamsa said.
regards
sikiSalaam Brother
I am still confused about timings of salaat and its exact method.This thread has nothing to do with it.
Still my Question is
What is the Quranic meaning of MMA ?
Otherwise accept that you are using "Hadithi" meanings and go ahead.
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Salaam Brother
I am still confused about timings of salaat and its exact method.This thread has nothing to do with it.
Still my Question is
What is the Quranic meaning of MMA ?
Otherwise accept that you are using "Hadithi" meanings and go ahead.
Regardsso is that quran which tells you that there should be a method of salaat or you are just try to find a method using "hadithi" meanings of salaat?
Thanks
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so is that quran which tells you that there should be a method of salaat or you are just try to find a method using "hadithi" meanings of salaat?
Thanks
Salaam
I am not obsessed by
1Hadiths
2Code 19
3Inscriptions
Alhamdulillahi ,I am a Quran student. If you can provide some information I will appreciate.Note I think because you have no Quranic meanings of MMA ,go ahead with the concept ,the thread should not be derailed.
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Salaam
I am not obsessed by
1Hadiths
2Code 19
3Inscriptions
Alhamdulillahi ,I am a Quran student. If you can provide some information I will appreciate.Note I think because you have no Quranic meanings of MMA ,go ahead with the concept ,the thread should not be derailed.
RegardsI have no definite idea about MMA yet, if you have any please share your understanding with us.
Thanks
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I believe this issue is covered in 'The Natural Republic' book
http//free-minds.org/sites/default/files/TNR.pdfMy copy is the 2004 edition, not the updated one.
Brother salam
Your recommended book contains a paragraph saying , "That quranic layal starts at last light, not at sun set" declaring, "practice of breaking fast at sun set wrong" .
Have you changed your understanding?peace
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So what is opposite of Mohasana?
A 'Baghyia' or a prostitute?
So what is a 'Zanyia' -adulteress- then?
And what is a 'Fata' and why is they are sometimes used as the opposite group to 'Mohasanat'?
Can be 'fatayat' be prostitutes?!!
My mind is spinning!
Bigha means, wrong, Any wrong that one commits, the context would decide what it actually means at a certain place,
Bigha in sexual context, would mean, sexual wrongs, like fornication, adultery etc. Calling some one Baghia when the subject is her sexuality, would convey a meaning opposite to Mohsinna.
Bigha, in sexual context, to gain worldly means , would lock the meaning specific as "prostitution".
Zania , is most probably , A fahisha woman , confirmed by 4 witnesses, and hence Declared as Zania.
Adulterous, English meaning, "a woman who gets involved in extramarital sexual adventures", we do not have an Arabic equivalent in quran.
Fata, means young, 12-36 uses Fatayan , meaning two young men.
Fatayat means , "young females" nothing more, nothing less, and they are a sub set of Nissa. She could be a mohsinna or may be not, she could be a believing Mohsinna , or may be not, you could find her in every MMA sub categories. I fail to understand as to what is so difficult about it?
It is not being used as an opposite to mohsinnats, but being recommended as a specific alternate. lets see if God would not have used this word in 4-25,
We would have picked up any Mohsinna from MMA , Not necessarily a young and a believing one.Your last inquiry, weather a fatyat can be a prostitute?
Why not she can be , any woman can be a prostitute, this is her choice, but 4-25 , specifically talks about the young ones under your guardian ship, that you should not do that for worldly gains. And if they are forced against their will, "God is telling them "Don'T worry babies", I understand your situation. I am forgiving most merciful.siki
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Thelps and company!
) So you guys think that quran is full of instructions regarding gender neutral, and hardly any for normal people?
Salaam siki
I do not understand what you mean by "gender neutral". If they are a sub category of those unable to have sex for a reason or another, then I would not say that the qur?an is "full"of instructions regarding them, but is not ignoring them when there's a relevant context, in this case marriage. Otherwise, they are the same as the whole community.