Anthony Wallace - a messenger or not?
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Peace
Then why does Code 19 support him ? Why is Code 19 not able to refute him ?
Regardsare you serious?
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Brother, I understand your train of thought, however you must know that the Quran is clearly referring to Muhammad, not you. I do believe that you think yourself divinely inspired, and I don't think you are necessarily a bad guy, but beware, Satan will use all manner to trick us. When we obey quran, we are not following you, we are following God. The Quran is a message, and that message was not brought nor carried by you. Please, you mustn't fall for his trickery, Satan whispers unto us as to lead us awry.
Bring your proof if you truthful. And if I bear false witness, then you are innocent from what I do. And im innocent of what you do. The God will gather us all together and judge between us in what we dispute.
I seek refuge wit God from the wispers of the sneaking devils. And I seek refuge in Him lest they should come near.
These are my Lords messages to you
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598266.msg201711#msg201711
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598255.msg201710#msg201710
peace
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euhhh I have a question o
Is that you in the foto?
Peace
yea. What?
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Peace brother Anthony,
You are just cutting and pasting verses from the Quran without the verse numbers, that's no big deal. I can do that, too. I don't see anything remarkably different about you from other members here.
Anyway, its good that we have a messenger in this forum.
Cheers! ADW.
Godless
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Look, Anthony,
I think you missed my post. With all due respect, how do you explain this? (the following is from an earlier post)
Please look at page 3 of this thread, where Anthony Wallace makes fun of someone who has been sexually abused
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16162.30
Look on this thread to see how Anthony Wallace calls believers "hypocrites" and "satan", etc.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597477.30
I would not write this kind of stuff if it wasnt a serious issue and if Anthony would not be calling people bad names, making fun of others, having preconceptions/making easy judgments about others, etc.
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Peace brother Anthony,
You are just cutting and pasting verses from the Quran without the verse numbers, that's no big deal. I can do that, too. I don't see anything remarkably different about you from other members here.
Anyway, its good that we have a messenger in this forum.
Cheers! ADW.
Godless
Peace Bro,
Do you want to know what makes me so different than other members on this forum? Is that I claim to be Gods messenger. jedi
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Brother Anthony,
I have viewed your links, and while I agree with some of your views (and held those beliefs long, long ago), you still bring no new message outside of the Quran, only your understanding of it. The duty of a messenger is to deliver a message, you cannot take someone else's message and claim to deliver it as your own. I simply tell you this so you do not squander God's gift of wisdom, for God grants wisdom to whom He pleases. One cannot simply take their understanding of a message and then claim to have been divinely authorized to deliver it. The Quran is VERY clear that we are to use our own individual reason when studying it, and strongly emphasizes that "No soul shall bear another's burden". In essence, God is telling us NOT to rely on other people for understanding of His word, but to seek guidance individually through Him.
When you take your individual understanding of the Quran Anthony, and try to pass it off on others under the guise of being a 'divinely chosen messenger', you directly contradict what God tells us about using our own reasoning and understanding to understand His word. Furthermore, you simply use the message already in place, tkae your understanding of it, and claim to have brought a message. Brother Wallace, please hear me, you do not have a message, but you already possess God's message brought by Muhammad. This is my proof. We ALL have a different understanding of the Quran to some degree or another, but how DARE we try to pass off our understanding on others under the guise of being a messenger...This is to be gravely astray. Rashad fell into the same trap, in my opinion.
One simply cannot attempt to pass their own understanding off on others, we are COMMANDED by God to not rely on others, forefathers, etc. for our understanding, but God telling us to seek guidance through Him alone. Your message Anthony, is your own understanding, and your claims of messegnership are attributing lies unto God, and this is why I am scared for you...
1017 Who is more wicked than one who invents lies about God or denies His signs? The criminals will never succeed.
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Brother Anthony,
I have viewed your links, and while I agree with some of your views (and held those beliefs long, long ago), you still bring no new message outside of the Quran, only your understanding of it. The duty of a messenger is to deliver a message, you cannot take someone else's message and claim to deliver it as your own. I simply tell you this so you do not squander God's gift of wisdom, for God grants wisdom to whom He pleases. One cannot simply take their understanding of a message and then claim to have been divinely authorized to deliver it. The Quran is VERY clear that we are to use our own individual reason when studying it, and strongly emphasizes that "No soul shall bear another's burden". In essence, God is telling us NOT to rely on other people for understanding of His word, but to seek guidance individually through Him.
When you take your individual understanding of the Quran Anthony, and try to pass it off on others under the guise of being a 'divinely chosen messenger', you directly contradict what God tells us about using our own reasoning and understanding to understand His word. Furthermore, you simply use the message already in place, tkae your understanding of it, and claim to have brought a message. Brother Wallace, please hear me, you do not have a message, but you already possess God's message brought by Muhammad. This is my proof. We ALL have a different understanding of the Quran to some degree or another, but how DARE we try to pass off our understanding on others under the guise of being a messenger...This is to be gravely astray. Rashad fell into the same trap, in my opinion.
One simply cannot attempt to pass their own understanding off on others, we are COMMANDED by God to not rely on others, forefathers, etc. for our understanding, but God telling us to seek guidance through Him alone. Your message Anthony, is your own understanding, and your claims of messegnership are attributing lies unto God, and this is why I am scared for you...
1017 Who is more wicked than one who invents lies about God or denies His signs? The criminals will never succeed.
Peace
Which book was revealed to RK?
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every body on this forum is a messenger in my opinion
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Peace
Which book was revealed to RK?
RegardsNone, that was exactly my point. RK fell into the same trap of taking God's message, applying his own understanding, and then trying to pass his understanding off as being 'divinely inspired' and 'authorized' by God. I do not, nor have ever believed RK to be a divinely authorized messenger. I made this clear MANY years ago on the submitters forum. I even went so far as to 'prove' my messengership by using the gematrical value of my full name, which is a multiple of 19. For anyone who wants verification of this, PM me and I'll send you my full name.
It is in my opinion, smoke and mirrors used by Satan to divert us from remembering God alone.
Say yes to God alone, and NO to anyone, or anything else. peace
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None, that was exactly my point. RK fell into the same trap of taking God's message, applying his own understanding, and then trying to pass his understanding off as being 'divinely inspired' and 'authorized' by God. I do not, nor have ever believed RK to be a divinely authorized messenger. I made this clear MANY years ago on the submitters forum. I even went so far as to 'prove' my messengership by using the gematrical value of my full name, which is a multiple of 19. For anyone who wants verification of this, PM me and I'll send you my full name.
It is in my opinion, smoke and mirrors used by Satan to divert us from remembering God alone.
Say yes to God alone, and NO to anyone, or anything else. peace
I guess it wasnt really HIS problem/fault that much. It is more the problem of THOSE WHO IDOLIZE HIM and follow EVERYTHING he said or did (hadith and sunna of RK).
I believe he was a messenger, but then again he was only human. He made mistakes.
You want to see some of them and something about those who idolize him?http//www.yuksel.org/e/religion/submitters.htm
http//www.yuksel.org/e/religion/signs.htmPeace
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I guess it wasnt really HIS problem/fault that much. It is more the problem of THOSE WHO IDOLIZE HIM and follow EVERYTHING he said or did (hadith and sunna of RK).
I believe he was a messenger, but then again he was only human. He made mistakes.
You want to see some of them and something about those who idolize him?http//www.yuksel.org/e/religion/submitters.htm
http//www.yuksel.org/e/religion/signs.htmPeace
Given the chance, mankind will almost always resort to worshipping, idolizing, or reverencing someone or something next to God. It is in my opinion, Satan's biggest trick. If he cannot get us to turn from God altogether, why not insert someone to be idolized or worshpped next to Him? Satan is MUCH smarter than any of us, and he uses his tricks to deceive us. The only way to be smarter than him or to see through his trickery is to rely on God for understanding and guidance.
As for Mr. Yuksel, I have always loved his work and think him a wise, wise man. Spoke with his several years ago via telephone, and was struck by his sense of humility.
Anyway, I'm not here to argue or debate whether Rashad was or wasn't a messenger, for he is long gone and if his message was God alone (not a new message, in my opinion), then anyone who truly believes in His message will seek and reverence God alone, without him. I do however, take issue with people who come along at present and try to pass off their understanding of religion (any religion) as being 'authorized' by God, Anthony Wallace is one of those, and let anyone who believes in his 'messengership' beware lest his misunderstandings about God and Quran lead them awry, for on the Day of Judgment they will be responsible for their own actions, Anthony will not. God specifically tells us not to follow other people's views based upon who they are, rather He exhorts us to use our own understanding and reason to come to a sincere belief and path through Him i.e. allowing God alone to guide us.
peace
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Take it easy, it was just out of curiosity.
Peace, oh no, Im ok. I wasnt sayin that in a bad way. Just out of curiosity like you. Peace. peace
Brother Anthony,
I have viewed your links, and while I agree with some of your views (and held those beliefs long, long ago), you still bring no new message outside of the Quran, only your understanding of it. The duty of a messenger is to deliver a message, you cannot take someone else's message and claim to deliver it as your own. I simply tell you this so you do not squander God's gift of wisdom, for God grants wisdom to whom He pleases. One cannot simply take their understanding of a message and then claim to have been divinely authorized to deliver it. The Quran is VERY clear that we are to use our own individual reason when studying it, and strongly emphasizes that "No soul shall bear another's burden". In essence, God is telling us NOT to rely on other people for understanding of His word, but to seek guidance individually through Him.
When you take your individual understanding of the Quran Anthony, and try to pass it off on others under the guise of being a 'divinely chosen messenger', you directly contradict what God tells us about using our own reasoning and understanding to understand His word. Furthermore, you simply use the message already in place, tkae your understanding of it, and claim to have brought a message. Brother Wallace, please hear me, you do not have a message, but you already possess God's message brought by Muhammad. This is my proof. We ALL have a different understanding of the Quran to some degree or another, but how DARE we try to pass off our understanding on others under the guise of being a messenger...This is to be gravely astray. Rashad fell into the same trap, in my opinion.
One simply cannot attempt to pass their own understanding off on others, we are COMMANDED by God to not rely on others, forefathers, etc. for our understanding, but God telling us to seek guidance through Him alone. Your message Anthony, is your own understanding, and your claims of messegnership are attributing lies unto God, and this is why I am scared for you...
1017 Who is more wicked than one who invents lies about God or denies His signs? The criminals will never succeed.
Can I get a witness?
Do you believe in some of my views and reject some? What part dont you agree with? Do you not understand? Are those who know equal to those who dont know? Or are the blind and the seer the same? You do agree that God grants wisdom to whom He pleases, and that those who lies about God or deny His sings are the wicked?? Who sent you?
I do not desire to bring a new message outside of the Quran as you can see> Nor am I required to do so , except if God wills. Glory be to our God. I have no knowleadege except what He has taught. These messages I deliver to you are my Lords messages. Not mine. When I take my understanding of the Quran, and try to push it off on others- not in disguise like you and everybodyelse- I am not contradicting what God tells us about using our own reasoning and understanding to understand His word ( if thats what you whant to call it).
You only viewed my links. I am only required to teach the Quran, and to make it clear to the people, and to clarify for you those matters that you dispute about, and that I recite Quran...ect.. I am only requred to deliver clearly. And to warn you with the Quran. Allah is the One who taught the Quran to His annointed one. God is also tellin us to obey Him and His messenger, and has took the covenate of the prophets that a messenger will come to you and authenticate what God has taught you of the scripture and wisdom and that you will believe in him and support him and help him persever. And to follow him so that you will be guided. And whoever obeys God messenger, has obeyed God. And yes, it is Allah who makes the Quran understood, and it is Allah who makes His annointed one understood. And yes I tell you this for certain, that Allah is more worthy to be followed than His annointed one. You know that I am Gods messenger to you. Furthermore, this is the kind of stuff that was said to the other messengers. You are also doing the same things you accuse me of; you have your understanding ( if any), and I have my understanding. And I tell you for certain that anyone who believes in my message, and in the One who sent me has already went from death to life.
Be aware of your Lord. And ask those who recieved the reminder if you do not know. And ask the people of the rememberance if you do not know. And ask God, He is Wise, Expert . Obey God and obey the messenger.
Dont fall into the trap of rejecting Gods messenger without knowledge. Because I can recite the Scripture to you, and it wont be in favor of those who reject, nor will it support any of their claims. And do not say that I claim something that I didnt claim. peace
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Can I get a witness?
Here you go
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16162.30 (check the last 3 posts)
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597477.30
Also when I gave him a good advice, Anthony said
"Im not into taking any orders from the rejecters and hyporcrits. I tell you what to do."