Beating wife theory is negated by Qur'aan=4:34
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then why do muslim men find it so interesting to beat their misses? I reakon they should get a belting back 10 fold. why do women love being bashed by the so called husbands in muslim land? these women have a problem. weird, if anyone went to do that to me I would kick there you know what in and made sure they did not do it again, geeee I love being single it makes me relise that life is better without a troll in your life.
i sujest you read this and stop jumping.
http//christwire.org/2009/04/is-it-ok-for-a-christian-husband-to-gently-beat-his-wife/
http//www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-408190/Outcry-clergy-say-calling-God-He-Lord-encourages-wife-beating.html -
yea well husband beaters deseve to be put away in prison. here where I live the man is charged and the women can take out an intervetion order to keep that troll away. and it is not in married couples only many non married couples are living together and the male partner bashes his girlfriend I have seen it first hand I lived next door to a bloke that was bashing his miss's. Not all men are dogs but most are. Thank goodness I am single. but I also know some of my old friends are still happly married after years and no religion involved. I also know many christians who have been married for over 50 years and still going strong.
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I read bits of it. but show me a verse in the bible where it says for a husband to slap his wife? and I willturn away. come on somebody show me a verse that it says Husbands slap your wifes if she disobeys. if you cannot find one then it is mans theory not God's. Men who do this should be put behind bars, and he will probally get a bashing in prison 10 fold anyway now that is vengence oh and Vengence is from God too now that will be worse.
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I read bits of it. but show me a verse in the bible where it says for a husband to slap his wife? and I willturn away. come on somebody show me a verse that it says Husbands slap your wifes if she disobeys. if you cannot find one then it is mans theory not God's. Men who do this should be put behind bars, and he will probally get a bashing in prison 10 fold anyway now that is vengence oh and Vengence is from God too now that will be worse.
Read Leviticus, many examples there
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I read bits of it. but show me a verse in the bible where it says for a husband to slap his wife? and I willturn away. come on somebody show me a verse that it says Husbands slap your wifes if she disobeys. if you cannot find one then it is mans theory not God's. Men who do this should be put behind bars, and he will probally get a bashing in prison 10 fold anyway now that is vengence oh and Vengence is from God too now that will be worse.
Peace
Exactly in the same way I demand from you ,"show me a verse in the Quran which says that slap her "if she disobeys" ?
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well I only hear what comes from the mouths of muslim men on tv
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well I only hear what comes from the mouths of muslim men on tv
We are different muslims, we do not follow the oral traditions of the prophet muhammed (hadhis) because they are a forgery..We are quran aloners
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We are different muslims, we do not follow the oral traditions of the prophet muhammed (hadhis) because they are a forgery..We are quran aloners
peace
It would appear that you are as different from "main stream" Muslims as I am from "main stream" Christians. I'm glad I found you all.
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It would appear that you are as different from "main stream" Muslims as I am from "main stream" Christians. I'm glad I found you all.
I glad I found a christian who believes in one god and founded a non trinitian church yay
peace
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peace QS,
It is 1st column on left, middle.
Peace Brother
First of all I thank you for the help. But this meaning of "Prevention or Prohibition" is not that of "" but of " " which has meaning of "He struck his hand" but figuratively it has two meanings
1He struck a bargain
2He prevented himIf the Quranic verse would have been " then this translation would have been absolutely perfect.This is an idiomatic expression and The Quran is NOT USING IT IN THE DISPUTED VERSE MEANINGS.
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"The book of the 3ain" by al Khaleel ibn Ahmad, the first classical dictionary, gives these meanings for the word "dharaba" (sorry, in Arabic). Inerestingly, none means "to strike"; some mean, indirectly to strike with a sword
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Peace,
In marriage, a women must obey her husband in all marital issues in exchange to the gift and caretaking done by the husband. He has the upper hand.
Nushuz means total rebellion and disregard of the husband. Nushuz doesn't come immediately but in stages.
If you fear your wife is going to a state of nushuz, you must act, otherwise, she will disregard you completely ie. Nushuz.
To avoid nushuz, doing the three steps including beating, the final and corporeal punishment, is enough to avoid nushuz.
Peace,
Rami
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peace QS,
I never said this is the meaning of DRB in 434.
I am hesitant of coupling meanings to prepositions in the sense that it cannot mean anything else but XYZ with this preposition, but we can add notes to various meanings in PRL, as it is a work in progress. I have made a note of it.
Perhaps you can help out with something. Are there any examples of beat or strike by a human against another human in which no additional clarifying words or prepositions are used in any Classical Arabic dictionary? What I have personally noticed on this topic is the shocking lack of information there is from Classical Arabic dictionaries in the articles for those who advocate "beat" or even "strike".
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Peace,
In marriage, a women must obey her husband in all marital issues in exchange to the gift and caretaking done by the husband. He has the upper hand.
Nushuz means total rebellion and disregard of the husband. Nushuz doesn't come immediately but in stages.
If you fear your wife is going to a state of nushuz, you must act, otherwise, she will disregard you completely ie. Nushuz.
To avoid nushuz, doing the three steps including beating, the final and corporeal punishment, is enough to avoid nushuz.
Peace,
Rami
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and if by any chance the man is not the "caretaker and provider" or not the only one, then what ? they can't be muslims ?
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peace QS,
I never said this is the meaning of DRB in 434.
I am hesitant of coupling meanings to prepositions in the sense that it cannot mean anything else but XYZ with this preposition, but we can add notes to various meanings in PRL, as it is a work in progress. I have made a note of it.
Perhaps you can help out with something. Are there any examples of beat or strike by a human against another human in which no additional clarifying words or prepositions are used in any Classical Arabic dictionary? What I have personally noticed on this topic is the shocking lack of information there is from Classical Arabic dictionaries in the articles for those who advocate "beat" or even "strike".
Dear Brother
You saidpeace QS,
I never said this is the meaning of DRB in 434.
True you never said but you did not object TS to attach meanings of an idiom to the verb when I asked for reference.
You saidI am hesitant of coupling meanings to prepositions in the sense that it cannot mean anything else but XYZ with this preposition, but we can add notes to various meanings in PRL, as it is a work in progress. I have made a note of it.
That is your own opinion and you have all to right to own it. But any language treats verbs and their idiom differently."To break " and "to break out" cannot be treated similarly in English as far as meanings are concerned.
Regards
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peace QS,
I was not even conversing with ts11 in this thread. If you thought it was wrong, you could have said why. In any case, Lane is only one Classical Arabic dictionary, for example, Dictionary of Holy Quran which utilises several Classical Arabic dictionaries states "prevent" but does not mention a prespotion or conditions on it. Since you have access to other Classical Arabic dictionaries, we can only assume you have either not checked them or have checked them and found "prevent/restrain" etc can only be with such conditions etc. God knows best.
That is your own opinion and you have all to right to own it. But any language treats verbs and their idiom differently."To break " and "to break out" cannot be treated similarly in English as far as meanings are concerned.
It is not all opinion, for example 'drb fi al ard' can be treated the same as 'drb al ard' according to the above mentioned book, and I am sure there are other examples.
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peace QS,
. Since you have access to other Classical Arabic dictionaries, we can only assume you have either not checked them or have checked them and found "prevent/restrain" etc can only be with such conditions etc. God knows best.
Dear Brother
One should not assume without any evidence. The Holy Quran forbids such assumptions.It would have been much better ,if you had asked me whether I consulted other Classical dictioanaries for this meaning or not.
My answer is yes I tried my level best but I could not find that the verb "dharaba" means "restraints or Prevention".
I will be extremely happy if someone could help us in this matter.
