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According to the present understanding of the quran which religion is better?

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    TAJ
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    Peace,

    All religions are based on Moral laws-

    If all religions are based on moral laws which are one and the same, why then are there so many religions, and sub religions, etc... ?

    Religions came about , i think , primarily to make humanity better

    The opposite is true. People created religions to differentiate themselves from "the other" the insane other! If you want to "make humanity better" then consider the concept of al nafs al wa7idah. "wa khalaqakum min nafsin wa7idah" "And He created you from one nafs." Sura# 4 ayah #1. A concept most humans are not willing to accept.

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      4125 And who has a better religion than he who submits himself entirely to Allah? And he is the doer of good (to others) and follows the faith of Ibrahim, the upright one, and Allah took Ibrahim as a friend.
      http//www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/Surat4_files/4_125.gif

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        nsws1988
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        By 'christianity' and 'judaism' do you mean traditional?

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          Peace,

          If all religions are based on moral laws which are one and the same, why then are there so many religions, and sub religions, etc... ?

          The opposite is true. People created religions to differentiate themselves from "the other" the insane other! If you want to "make humanity better" then consider the concept of al nafs al wa7idah. "wa khalaqakum min nafsin wa7idah" "And He created you from one nafs." Sura# 4 ayah #1. A concept most humans are not willing to accept.

          Hi Taj,

          why are they different;-

          see Monks, meditaion and cats

          http//www.eruptingmind.com/meditation-law-of-intention/

          peace

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            unknownuser
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            By 'christianity' and 'judaism' do you mean traditional?

            I didn't mention traditional regarding these two as they seem, overall, much closer to the contents of the quran, accept the qurans pointing to the few corrections in these two religions.

            peace

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              Alen
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              peace
              Religions came about , i think , primarily to make humanity better.
              All religions are based on Moral laws- so is a religion a good thing?
              If so which?
              Thanks for sharing your understanding.

              Peace,
              Respectfully.

              Islam, because it unites us all, The Quran confirms all the previous Scriptures, being a Muslim keeps you in the Reality and you are always safe and secure from satan, because The Exalted God The Most High has everything under His Control.

              In the end, Real Believers win.
              Peace.

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                No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                319 The only System of Life approved by God is Submission. Those who were given the scripture, dissented from it through mutual rivalry and envy, after knowledge had come to them. If anyone rejects God's revelations, then God is Swift in reckoning.

                We learn from this verse that all Submission was the only religion advocated by the messengers of God and initially by God, and that Judaism, Christianity, Traditional Islam, etc. are all off-shoots of Submission to God alone.

                So Submission to God alone is the ONLY way/sytem of life approved by God - not just the best. As long as we all submit to God alone, then we uphold this one system/way of life.

                Also, we learn that we are not to divide up that system/way of life.

                4213 He has decreed for you the same system He ordained for Noah, and what We inspired to you, and what We ordained for Abraham, Moses, and Jesus "You shall uphold this system, and do not divide in it." Intolerable for those who have set up partners is what you invite them towards. God chooses to Himself whoever/whomever He wills; He guides to Himself whoever repents.

                2135 They said, "Be Jews or Nazarenes so that you may be guided!" Say, "No, rather the creed of Abraham, monotheism; for he was not of those who set up partners."

                So Monotheism/Submission to God alone has always been the system of life advocated by God's messengers.

                I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                  MUNZIR_ALI
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                  I think that quran alone is the best religion yay

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                    TAJ
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                    Peace,

                    Religions came about , i think , primarily to make humanity better.
                    All religions are based on Moral laws- so is a religion a good thing?

                    If so which?

                    Thanks for sharing your understanding.

                    In order to continue with this discussion, we need, first of all, to define the word "religion".

                    For me,, religion is a set of rules that are/were created by few "devilish" people to control and dominate the "sheep" majority, claiming they have authority and special access to the "mysterious" higher power that we call God. Those devilish few immediately counteracted the messengers by creating those religions, to delude people from the right path that the messenger were sent to remind people of. Religions are satan's reaction to the clear message of Allah.
                    Denouncing religions is the first step towards believing in Allah.

                    peace

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                      Peace,

                      Of course the Arabic word "deen" has many meanings, one of them would be equivalent to "religion" in English. I gave you my definition/understanding of religion as in "Christianity, Judaism, Islam", not the other meanings of "deen".

                      peace

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                        MUNZIR_ALI
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                        Peace,

                        In order to continue with this discussion, we need, first of all, to define the word "religion".

                        For me,, religion is a set of rules that are/were created by few "devilish" people to control and dominate the "sheep" majority, claiming they have authority and special access to the "mysterious" higher power that we call God. Those devilish few immediately counteracted the messengers by creating those religions, to delude people from the right path that the messenger were sent to remind people of. Religions are satan's reaction to the clear message of Allah.
                        Denouncing religions is the first step towards believing in Allah.

                        peace

                        bravo bravo I agree!

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                          Peace,

                          In order to continue with this discussion, we need, first of all, to define the word "religion".

                          For me,, religion is a set of rules that are/were created by few "devilish" people to control and dominate the "sheep" majority, claiming they have authority and special access to the "mysterious" higher power that we call God. Those devilish few immediately counteracted the messengers by creating those religions, to delude people from the right path that the messenger were sent to remind people of. Religions are satan's reaction to the clear message of Allah.
                          Denouncing religions is the first step towards believing in Allah.

                          peace

                          What is the english definition of religion!

                          Definition
                          religion Show phonetics
                          noun
                          1 the belief in and worship of a god or gods, or any such system of belief and worship
                          the Christian religion

                          2 INFORMAL an activity which someone is extremely enthusiastic about and does regularly
                          Football is a religion for these people.

                          religious Show phonetics
                          adjective
                          1 relating to religion
                          religious education

                          2 having a strong belief in a god or gods
                          He's deeply religious and goes to church twice a week.

                          religiously Show phonetics
                          adverb
                          1 in ways or subjects relating to religion
                          India is quite diverse, both politically and religiously.

                          2 INFORMAL If you do something religiously, you do it regularly
                          He visits his mother religiously every week.

                          How can you denounce religion and thus God?

                          Or have you a different definition of religion?

                          peace

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                            Peace Simple,

                            You did not tell me what the word "religion" means to you! It would have been nice if you would have written your understanding of the word "religion" in your OP.

                            So as I said, my understanding of the word "religion" is as in Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.

                            But let me ask you, if all God's books preach the same concept, and I suppose they do, why on Earth do we have so many religions!?

                            Religions, all religions, go against Allah even if they frost themselves with morals and noble ideas. Religions as much as they seem to be different from each other, they all share one thing they all call for separation from the "evil" other and incite creating boundaries between fellow humans. The mere fact of using labels Muslim, Christian, Jew, etc.. implies the message of "I am right and you are wrong", "I am good, you are evil" etc.. all the while using their "holy" books as a tool to generate yet more conflict and ... stupidity.

                            peace

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                              I voted "Other" simply because I do not see and difference between the basic beliefs of any of those religions mentioned. I am a Christian (not traditional) and I believe almost exactly the same as most "God-alone", "Quran-alone" Muslims. So what is the difference between us?

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                                MUNZIR_ALI
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                                I voted "Other" simply because I do not see and difference between the basic beliefs of any of those religions mentioned. I am a Christian (not traditional) and I believe almost exactly the same as most "God-alone", "Quran-alone" Muslims. So what is the difference between us?

                                Do you believe in Muhammed being a prophet?

                                peace

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                                  No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                                  I voted "Other" simply because I do not see and difference between the basic beliefs of any of those religions mentioned. I am a Christian (not traditional) and I believe almost exactly the same as most "God-alone", "Quran-alone" Muslims. So what is the difference between us?

                                  The fact is that there is no big difference. ALL messengers of God advocated the same system/way of life (call it "religion" if you want to) Submission to God alone ("Islam" in arabic). With "Islam" I dont mean the Sunni, Shia, etc. version, but the God alone version - a universal system/way of life.

                                  You could even acknowledge the Quran as being a divine scripture without changing your basic beliefs.

                                  Munzir Ali said

                                  Do you believe in Muhammed being a prophet?

                                  Does it matter if he does or not?
                                  And I would like to add, even if he does - does he have to change his basic beliefs and practices?

                                  I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                                    Peace simple and all

                                    To me the word religion stands for oppression control,, fear ,hatred .Religious people harp on about adoltery,but 99% practice it in one form or the othere.
                                    Religion is one of the greatest weapons and has caused more misery and death than any nuclear weapon .

                                    The sooner we start freeing our self 's the sooner we will acheive freedom and peace.

                                    Peace salim
                                    live long and prosper

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                                      Do you believe in Muhammed being a prophet?

                                      peace

                                      You may find this surprising, but yes I do. I believe that all the prophets mentioned in the Bible and Quran were prophets of one sort or another. Muhammad was just as much a prophet as Jesus (Yeshua / Isa / whatever name you wish to give him, no one has got his name right in 2000 years.)

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                                        Peace Simple,

                                        You did not tell me what the word "religion" means to you! It would have been nice if you would have written your understanding of the word "religion" in your OP.

                                        So as I said, my understanding of the word "religion" is as in Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.

                                        But let me ask you, if all God's books preach the same concept, and I suppose they do, why on Earth do we have so many religions!?

                                        Religions, all religions, go against Allah even if they frost themselves with morals and noble ideas. Religions as much as they seem to be different from each other, they all share one thing they all call for separation from the "evil" other and incite creating boundaries between fellow humans. The mere fact of using labels Muslim, Christian, Jew, etc.. implies the message of "I am right and you are wrong", "I am good, you are evil" etc.. all the while using their "holy" books as a tool to generate yet more conflict and ... stupidity.

                                        peace

                                        peace Taj,

                                        My religion is to Endeavour to the cause of God/Life force/Way, something that is bringing about all the positive results in the cosmos and secondly fulfilling my obligations to others.

                                        I think the greatest thing which all religions try to do (Theoretically) is give life the greatest value.

                                        I think this alone outweighs the wrongs that are done by some of the followers of religion as the majority will always uphold this belief.

                                        Otherwise there may be many more Hitler?s in the world then there have been, God forbid.

                                        peace

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                                          No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                                          You may find this surprising, but yes I do. I believe that all the prophets mentioned in the Bible and Quran were prophets of one sort or another. Muhammad was just as much a prophet as Jesus (Yeshua / Isa / whatever name you wish to give him, no one has got his name right in 2000 years.)

                                          So you dont think the Quran is false anymore?
                                          Have you checked the link(s) that I gave you?

                                          I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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