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According to the present understanding of the quran which religion is better?

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    unknownuser
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    Peace Simple,

    You did not tell me what the word "religion" means to you! It would have been nice if you would have written your understanding of the word "religion" in your OP.

    So as I said, my understanding of the word "religion" is as in Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.

    But let me ask you, if all God's books preach the same concept, and I suppose they do, why on Earth do we have so many religions!?

    Religions, all religions, go against Allah even if they frost themselves with morals and noble ideas. Religions as much as they seem to be different from each other, they all share one thing they all call for separation from the "evil" other and incite creating boundaries between fellow humans. The mere fact of using labels Muslim, Christian, Jew, etc.. implies the message of "I am right and you are wrong", "I am good, you are evil" etc.. all the while using their "holy" books as a tool to generate yet more conflict and ... stupidity.

    peace

    peace Taj,

    My religion is to Endeavour to the cause of God/Life force/Way, something that is bringing about all the positive results in the cosmos and secondly fulfilling my obligations to others.

    I think the greatest thing which all religions try to do (Theoretically) is give life the greatest value.

    I think this alone outweighs the wrongs that are done by some of the followers of religion as the majority will always uphold this belief.

    Otherwise there may be many more Hitler?s in the world then there have been, God forbid.

    peace

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      No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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      You may find this surprising, but yes I do. I believe that all the prophets mentioned in the Bible and Quran were prophets of one sort or another. Muhammad was just as much a prophet as Jesus (Yeshua / Isa / whatever name you wish to give him, no one has got his name right in 2000 years.)

      So you dont think the Quran is false anymore?
      Have you checked the link(s) that I gave you?

      I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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        unknownuser
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        Peace simple and all

        To me the word religion stands for oppression control,, fear ,hatred .Religious people harp on about adoltery,but 99% practice it in one form or the othere.
        Religion is one of the greatest weapons and has caused more misery and death than any nuclear weapon .

        The sooner we start freeing our self 's the sooner we will acheive freedom and peace.

        Peace salim
        live long and prosper

        Hi Salim,

        I think we aught to use the general dictionary definition of the word religion, as that is how the world understands it rather then the few who may literally define it differently, don't you think.

        Secondly all the wrong thing you are attaching to religion are not encouraged in the theory of any religion in any shape or form but are opposed by all mainstream religions- I think.

        peace

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          Rev_John
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          So you dont think the Quran is false anymore?
          Have you checked the link(s) that I gave you?

          I never once said the Quran is false .... I said IF

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            No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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            I never once said the Quran is false .... I said IF

            Oh yeah..OK.

            Did you check the links?

            I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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              Rev_John
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              Oh yeah..OK.

              Did you check the links?

              Yes I did, I couldn't one of them to work, but that is probably my computer, the other was very interesting. Thank you

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                TAJ
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                Peace Simple,

                peace Taj,

                My religion is to Endeavour to the cause of God/Life force/Way, something that is bringing about all the positive results in the cosmos and secondly fulfilling my obligations to others.

                That is strange! Your understanding does not come from the dictionary you want others to stick to! As you preached Salgan (Salim)
                Hi Salim,

                I think we aught to use the general dictionary definition of the word religion, as that is how the world understands it rather then the few who may literally define it differently, don't you think.
                !!!

                And here is the quote from the dictionary that you have brought in an earlier post

                Definition
                religion Show phonetics
                noun
                1 the belief in and worship of a god or gods, or any such system of belief and worship
                the Christian religion

                2 INFORMAL an activity which someone is extremely enthusiastic about and does regularly
                Football is a religion for these people.

                religious Show phonetics
                adjective
                1 relating to religion
                religious education

                2 having a strong belief in a god or gods
                He's deeply religious and goes to church twice a week.

                religiously Show phonetics
                adverb
                1 in ways or subjects relating to religion
                India is quite diverse, both politically and religiously.

                2 INFORMAL If you do something religiously, you do it regularly
                He visits his mother religiously every week.

                !!!
                Many different meanings for the word "religion".
                And your personal understanding is not one of them!

                I think the greatest thing which all religions try to do (Theoretically) is give life the greatest value.

                Your statement is contradictory.
                If what you say is true, why then all religions don't become one? At least for the great and noble purpose they all call for!!?? Isn't this noble cause worthy enough for them to unite under one name!? Isn't the God enough for His believers?

                I think this alone outweighs the wrongs that are done by some of the followers of religion as the majority will always uphold this belief.

                Please don't throw all the blame on the sheep majority. They only follow what they are told by the "religion's authorities" whether clearly or implied.

                Otherwise there may be many more Hitler?s in the world then there have been, God forbid.

                Hitler is but one of many. He only got his vast reputation for obvious reasons. Have you been living in a cave!?

                peace

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                  salgan
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                  Peace Simple

                  Thats been the trouble with religion majority of people stick to dictionary definition and IGNORE what they observe what religion truly is CONTROL by the Few over the many by fear .

                  You do not need Religion to Believe or to be Responsible for your actions .

                  Peace Salim

                  Live long and prosper

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                    unknownuser
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                    Peace Simple,
                    That is strange! Your understanding does not come from the dictionary you want others to stick to! As you preached Salgan (Salim) !!!

                    And here is the quote from the dictionary that you have brought in an earlier post!!!
                    Many different meanings for the word "religion".
                    And your personal understanding is not one of them!

                    I think my belief in the God is there in the dictionary, check it!

                    Your statement is contradictory.
                    If what you say is true, why then all religions don't become one? At least for the great and noble purpose they all call for!!?? Isn't this noble cause worthy enough for them to unite under one name!? Isn't the God enough for His believers?

                    Of course he is enough and the differances don't remove the importance of the value given to life.

                    Please don't throw all the blame on the sheep majority. They only follow what they are told by the "religion's authorities" whether clearly or implied.

                    The majority may be the sheep but they aren't the Fasidoon/trouble makers- who don't value life.

                    Hitler is but one of many. He only got his vast reputation for obvious reasons. Have you been living in a cave!?

                    Yes he was of the minority, and not the majority.

                    peace

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                      unknownuser
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                      Peace Simple

                      Thats been the trouble with religion majority of people stick to dictionary definition and IGNORE what they observe

                      Do they really ignore what they observe-No we can't and don't ignore what we observe.

                      Proof is all around us.

                      so far its been improving over the decades- check history of what people used to do until religions came about, people where basically animal like.

                      what religion truly is CONTROL by the Few over the many by fear .

                      Of course all religions are controlled by a few but you can have a religion of your own- un-doubtedly you have one.

                      You do not need Religion to Believe or to be Responsible for your actions.

                      Please check the definition of religion above- its not what we think it is.

                      example;

                      2 INFORMAL If you do something religiously, you do it regularly
                      He visits his mother religiously every week.

                      Live long and prosper

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                        Traditional Islam

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                          MUNZIR_ALI
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                          Traditional Islam

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                          Are you kidding?

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                            Meteora
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                            I added that smiley later. You probably didn't see it before you clicked quote. ;D

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                              MUNZIR_ALI
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                              I added that smiley later. You probably didn't see it before you clicked quote. ;D

                              Hey, how did you get that smiley? is it on free minds?

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                                Meteora
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                                nah. personal photobucket account, but you can keep it for future use sun

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                                  TAJ
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                                  Peace Simple,

                                  I think my belief in the God is there in the dictionary, check it!

                                  And does, or actually, should your belief belong to a certain religion?

                                  peace

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                                    unknownuser
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                                    Peace Simple,

                                    And does, or actually, should your belief belong to a certain religion?

                                    peace

                                    Yes, God Alone.

                                    peace

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                                      Rev_John
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                                      Yes, God Alone.

                                      peace

                                      Exactly bravo

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                                        TAJ
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                                        Peace Simple,

                                        And does, or actually, should your belief belong to a certain religion?

                                        Yes, God Alone.

                                        And of course, you do realize that this is your personal understanding that is based on the English definition of the word "religion" that you have provided earlier, which by the way I would really like if you would highlight the exact part you chose of the many definitions listed in your quote just so to spare others (me included) from any possible misunderstanding,, bearing in mind that that definition may have nothing to do with the meaning of the Arabic word "deen" according or as it appeared in the Quran, and also may have nothing to do with the commonly understood meaning of the word "deen" among Arabic speaking people. Conclusion A fresh research of the Quranic definition of "deen" is required. May Allah enlighten us.

                                        All the best,
                                        Taj

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                                          MUNZIR_ALI
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                                          I voted "Other" simply because I do not see and difference between the basic beliefs of any of those religions mentioned. I am a Christian (not traditional) and I believe almost exactly the same as most "God-alone", "Quran-alone" Muslims. So what is the difference between us?

                                          I think I have found out the difference between God alone muslims and God alone christians..God alone muslims do not eat the flesh of the swine. however god alone christians do?

                                          peace

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