Raising Children
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I believe many traditional Muslims are Muslim simply because they were raised that way. Not that they necessarily research any other religions, or question any of the practices - they just follow blindly.
That is the same in any traditional religion. It is something I have been trying to change for years.
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if you continue to read the next verse, it indicates theres are the ones who deny the truth who do not use their reason. If they choose to follow their fathers then they will be the same.
(2171)
2171 (Asad) And so, the parable of those who re bent on denying the truth is that of the beast which hears the shepherd's cry, and hears in it nothing but the sound of a voice and a call. Deaf are they, and dumb, and blind for they do not use their reason.
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2171 (Asad) And so, the parable of those who re bent on denying the truth is that of the beast which hears the shepherd's cry, and hears in it nothing but the sound of a voice and a call. Deaf are they, and dumb, and blind for they do not use their reason.
I like that. I may well use that in my Sunday service. Thank you.
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Cool, so you'd have a community of people with the same belief as you?
Yes, I have a church here, all the members believe the same as me. We class ourselves as God-alone Christians. Christians because we believe in the message God gave to Jesus, God-alone because we do not worship Jesus or anyone other than God. We do not believe that Jesus was God incarnate or the son of God or anything other than a human being.
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great, so has the church been there for many generations?
i'm going off topic ahh, so do kids come along?
No I am the founder of the Christian Church of Reality. There are other churches that believe (roughly) the same thing, but we are all independent of each other unfortunately. We only have a couple of kids that come, most of my members are 30s and up, I suppose after they start thinking.
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if you continue to read the next verse, it indicates theres are the ones who deny the truth who do not use their reason. If they choose to follow their fathers then they will be the same.
(2171)
2171 (Asad) And so, the parable of those who re bent on denying the truth is that of the beast which hears the shepherd's cry, and hears in it nothing but the sound of a voice and a call. Deaf are they, and dumb, and blind for they do not use their reason.
Yes, did I contend otherwise... ? My posting of that sign was to highlight the logic i.e. 'what if your fathers knew nothing and were not guided'.
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Rev.John how'd you manage the funding? other than people donating? would be pricey to own a church
TheJoker ok my logic is if you choose to follow the fathers who knew nothing and were not guided you will be like the people of 2171.
Everyone has the choice in life. What do you think?
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Rev.John how'd you manage the funding? other than people donating? would be pricey to own a church
TheJoker ok my logic is if you choose to follow the fathers who knew nothing and were not guided you will be like the people of 2171.
Everyone has the choice in life. What do you think?
The funding is difficult, it is just members donating and me making up the difference.
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oh.. sorry to hear, what about applying to the council for support? or other churches? or fundraising events?
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Our local city cannot help, not allowed. We do try some fundraising with varying results. Rely mainly on the generosity of some of our members.
Have you looked at our website?
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Rev.John how'd you manage the funding? other than people donating? would be pricey to own a church
TheJoker ok my logic is if you choose to follow the fathers who knew nothing and were not guided you will be like the people of 2171.
Everyone has the choice in life. What do you think?
Agreed. The question is is this a characteristic of these people, or using this kind of logic makes one a kaafir? And how does one know if their fathers knew nothing or weren't guided? I am suggesting the quran is saying, don't leave it to chance. What do you think?
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I had a quick flick
Well is the property owned? because if it is then it shouldn't be to hard to maintain..
The Joker, Don't leave it to chance? yeh well i think i was saying we shouldn't just choose to follow blindly. People know if they study? if they question if they think..
People can choose to be ignorant or knowledgeable.
I think as a child or a growing adult you can see what you agree and disagree with from your parents practices. I already see things and think I don't agree with that if i ever have children i would bla bla bla..
you can have some insight through observation.
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I had a quick flick
Well is the property owned? because if it is then it shouldn't be to hard to maintain..
The Joker, Don't leave it to chance? yeh well i think i was saying we shouldn't just choose to follow blindly. People know if they study? if they question if they think..
People can choose to be ignorant or knowledgeable.
I think as a child or a growing adult you can see what you agree and disagree with from your parents practices. I already see things and think I don't agree with that if i ever have children i would bla bla bla..
you can have some insight through observation.
No it's rented