Zakat and Sadaqat
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Imran,
you have said "Sadaqaat has at its root the meaning of truth. A careful study of the concept clearly shows that it is the fulfilment of a right that is due".
This connection is found in 6141
6141 He is the One Who initiated gardens; both trellised and untrellised; palm trees, and plants, all with different tastes; and olives and pomegranates, similar and not similar. Eat from its fruit when it blossoms and give its haqq on the day of harvest; and do not waste. He does not like the wasteful.
As far as I know 'haqq' means 'truth', 'right', 'that which is due', etc.
Also what we learn from this verse is that we are indeed to give to charity/share whenever we recieve income/harvest/etc. -
peace Samia,
So, whilst the people mentioned have a due right in sadaqaat, you cannot conclude based on grammar/logic/anything that 960 is making giving of sadaqat obligatory?
That is what we are trying to clarify.
No, grammar has nothing to do with the meaning of the verse.
Obligation can only be implied, that those people have due right in the sadaqaa. If they have right, they have to get it. -
And the response of Yousaf alahissalam confirms this that today you are asking for him but what you did with Yusuf and his brother when you were overpowered by emotions?
The response of Yusuf was He saido you know what you did unto Joseph and his brother in your ignorance?
He wanted to show them he recognized them. There is no "Today you are asking for him".
Their response was They said Is it indeed you who are Yusuf? He said I am Yusuf. and this is my brother.They did not know him before he hinted about Yusuf and his brother.
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Peace,
Isn't 9/60 strictly for believers because of 9/62?
Why the use of 'strictly'?
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The response of Yusuf was He saido you know what you did unto Joseph and his brother in your ignorance?
He wanted to show them he recognized them. There is no "Today you are asking for him".
Their response was They said Is it indeed you who are Yusuf? He said I am Yusuf. and this is my brother.They did not know him before he hinted about Yusuf and his brother.
Sisiter;
He had recognized them on the very first visit. This is the third visit, sent by their father, for the objective to search for Yusaf and retrieving their youngest brother which they lost last time because of their irrational and emotional behaviour when the staff of the warehouse lost their measuring scale.
The word "ignorance" does not fit in since now they have not become Phds. Their mishandling of Yusaf in the hildhood was because of irrational emotionalism of seeking attention and love of their father; nothing else.
We the Ajmi, particularly Iranians and Indian sub continent substitued the Arabic word "jahil" with our own word "jahil" meaning goof, illiterate, unlearned, lacking knowledge and in translations people adopted it over the time as true meaning of Arabic Jahil. In Grand Qur'aan it does not refer to Iranian and Indian perception of their word with one eye "hi". At 24 places of its use in the Qur'aan I find the issue is that of passions, emotions, emotionalism which effect an illiterate and highly literate person equally.
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Still doesnt justify your use of 'strictly'. Anyone can give money to charity. If you want, you can keep your views on the mumin vs. muslim issue (that may be true), but dont say that it is 'strictly' for mumins, because it is not.
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Still doesnt justify your use of 'strictly'. Anyone can give money to charity. If you want, you can keep your views on the mumin vs. muslim issue (they may be true), but dont say that it is 'strictly' for mumins, because it is not.
Reading comprehension is not your cup of tea is it?
It is a REQUIREMENT for Mumins i.e. one of their characteristics, we can't force others to give to charity.
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Reading comprehension is not your cup of tea is it?
It is a REQUIREMENT for Mumins i.e. one of their characteristics, we can't force others to give to charity.
I can read perfectly well. You need to be careful in your choice of words and your reading. If you say that it is strictly for mumins only, then that would mean that others are not allowed to give to charity, which, of course, is total nonsense.
Your new word choice above makes more sense.
Do you agree that sadaqat is 'obligatory charity'?
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I can read perfectly well. You need to be careful in your choice of words and your reading. If you say that it is strictly for mumins only, then that would mean that others are not allowed to give to charity, which, of course is total nonsense.
Your new word choice above makes more sense.
Do you agree that sadaqat is 'obligatory charity'?
For believers, yes.
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Peace Wakas
Thanks, I thought so.
So what are we saying here? Is sadaqat something that must be carried out by those who accept the system of deen set out in the quran? Or is it a voluntary act even if you accept the system of deen in the quran?
Imraan
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Peace Wakas
peace Imraan,
WE are saying nothing, YOU were saying something. I have no view on this at the present time, as I have not studied it. My point was to highlight your conclusion based on 960 may not be solid, no more no less.
I have no change in my view at this time. If anything, If anything, my conviction that sadaqat in terms of 960 IS what is described by "fareedah" is now stronger. Any way I look forward to your opinion once you have studied it.
The only thing that I would like to look at now is a more in depth study of FA-RA-DAD.
Imraan
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Quote from Imraan in the 'Ribaa' thread
First of all sadaqaah is extremely poorly translated as charity imo. It refers to a right that people have. This is clear when one looks at the root from which it is derived. This makes much more sense to me since if it is someone's right, they don't feel that it is a hand down & it eliminates any feeling of self-righteousness on the part of the remitter. You will notice that the word sadaqaah is aslo used in relation to the "dowry" in 44. Surely one cannot consider this a charity to the woman. Niether can it be considered a loan to the woman. It is her right. Therefore while one must consider the context of the verse, one must also remember to use tasreef in determining the meaning. So, in your example, what is given is not charity. It is the right of the one in need to have access to it.
Interesting point. That gets me thinking of and is directly related to
6141 He is the One Who initiated gardens; both trellised and untrellised; palm trees, and plants, all with different tastes; and olives and pomegranates, similar and not similar. Eat from its fruit when it blossoms and give its right/due (haqq) on the day of harvest; and do not waste. He does not like the wasteful.
So would 'sadaqa' mean 'the due/right'?
It's also very interesting that the meanings of 'sadaqa' and 'haqq' are directly related (from PRL)
Sad-Dal-Qaf = to be truthful, true, sincere, speak the truth, establish or confirm the truth of what another has said, verify, keep faith, observe a promise faithfully, fulfill, speak veraciously, hold anyone as trustworthy. sadaqa fi al-qitaali -to fight gallantly. tsaddaqa - to give alms. sidqun - truth, veracity, sincerity, soundness, excellence in a variety of different objects, salubrious and agreeable, favourable entrance, praise. saadiqun - one who is true and sincere, one who speaks the truth. saadiqah - perfect woman. sadaqat (pl. saduqaat) - dowry. siddiiq - person who is trustworthy, sincere. saddaqa - to confirm, verify, fulfil. asdaqu - more true.
As far as I am aware of, 'haqq' means 'truth, due, etc.' as well. Is the root of 'haqq' on prl as well?
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Peace
Can anyone please help with this question Is Zakat-ul-Fitr mentioned in the Quran?
I found the following on this
Zakat-ul-Fitr Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him), enjoined Zakat-ul-Fitr on everyone who fasts "To shield them from any indecent act or speech and for the purpose of providing food for the needy" (Related by Abu Dawud and Ibn Majah).
Every adult Muslim must pay Zakat-ul-Fitr for themselves and every person they are responsible for in Ramadan. We have calculated the cost of feeding a person for a day at ?4 and will ensure that your payment will reach people in the poorest countries of the world before the end of Ramadan.
Is there any historical evidence of Zakat-ul-fitr?
Thank you in advance for your help.
Peace
Hope
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Peace,
Peace
Can anyone please help with this question Is Zakat-ul-Fitr mentioned in the Quran?
I found the following on this
Zakat-ul-Fitr Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him), enjoined Zakat-ul-Fitr on everyone who fasts "To shield them from any indecent act or speech and for the purpose of providing food for the needy" (Related by Abu Dawud and Ibn Majah).
Every adult Muslim must pay Zakat-ul-Fitr for themselves and every person they are responsible for in Ramadan. We have calculated the cost of feeding a person for a day at 4 and will ensure that your payment will reach people in the poorest countries of the world before the end of Ramadan.
Is there any historical evidence of Zakat-ul-fitr?
Thank you in advance for your help.
Peace
Hope
"Zakat al fitr" is a total innovation.
- "Zakat" is not "charity".
- Charity (or rather, "that which is due" - "sadaqat" is to be given on each day that we receive income.
- There is no fixed amount for charity.
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Peace,
"Zakat al fitr" is a total innovation.
- "Zakat" is not "charity".
- Charity (or rather, "that which is due" - "sadaqat" is to be given on each day that we receive income.
- There is no fixed amount for charity.
Peace progressive1993
Thank you for your reply. Do we know from history when or whom introduced 'Zakat al fitr'?
Peace
Hope
