Zakat and Sadaqat
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Peace,
Isn't 9/60 strictly for believers because of 9/62?
Why the use of 'strictly'?
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The response of Yusuf was He saido you know what you did unto Joseph and his brother in your ignorance?
He wanted to show them he recognized them. There is no "Today you are asking for him".
Their response was They said Is it indeed you who are Yusuf? He said I am Yusuf. and this is my brother.They did not know him before he hinted about Yusuf and his brother.
Sisiter;
He had recognized them on the very first visit. This is the third visit, sent by their father, for the objective to search for Yusaf and retrieving their youngest brother which they lost last time because of their irrational and emotional behaviour when the staff of the warehouse lost their measuring scale.
The word "ignorance" does not fit in since now they have not become Phds. Their mishandling of Yusaf in the hildhood was because of irrational emotionalism of seeking attention and love of their father; nothing else.
We the Ajmi, particularly Iranians and Indian sub continent substitued the Arabic word "jahil" with our own word "jahil" meaning goof, illiterate, unlearned, lacking knowledge and in translations people adopted it over the time as true meaning of Arabic Jahil. In Grand Qur'aan it does not refer to Iranian and Indian perception of their word with one eye "hi". At 24 places of its use in the Qur'aan I find the issue is that of passions, emotions, emotionalism which effect an illiterate and highly literate person equally.
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Still doesnt justify your use of 'strictly'. Anyone can give money to charity. If you want, you can keep your views on the mumin vs. muslim issue (that may be true), but dont say that it is 'strictly' for mumins, because it is not.
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Still doesnt justify your use of 'strictly'. Anyone can give money to charity. If you want, you can keep your views on the mumin vs. muslim issue (they may be true), but dont say that it is 'strictly' for mumins, because it is not.
Reading comprehension is not your cup of tea is it?
It is a REQUIREMENT for Mumins i.e. one of their characteristics, we can't force others to give to charity.
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Reading comprehension is not your cup of tea is it?
It is a REQUIREMENT for Mumins i.e. one of their characteristics, we can't force others to give to charity.
I can read perfectly well. You need to be careful in your choice of words and your reading. If you say that it is strictly for mumins only, then that would mean that others are not allowed to give to charity, which, of course, is total nonsense.
Your new word choice above makes more sense.
Do you agree that sadaqat is 'obligatory charity'?
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I can read perfectly well. You need to be careful in your choice of words and your reading. If you say that it is strictly for mumins only, then that would mean that others are not allowed to give to charity, which, of course is total nonsense.
Your new word choice above makes more sense.
Do you agree that sadaqat is 'obligatory charity'?
For believers, yes.
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Peace Wakas
Thanks, I thought so.
So what are we saying here? Is sadaqat something that must be carried out by those who accept the system of deen set out in the quran? Or is it a voluntary act even if you accept the system of deen in the quran?
Imraan
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Peace Wakas
peace Imraan,
WE are saying nothing, YOU were saying something. I have no view on this at the present time, as I have not studied it. My point was to highlight your conclusion based on 960 may not be solid, no more no less.
I have no change in my view at this time. If anything, If anything, my conviction that sadaqat in terms of 960 IS what is described by "fareedah" is now stronger. Any way I look forward to your opinion once you have studied it.
The only thing that I would like to look at now is a more in depth study of FA-RA-DAD.
Imraan
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Quote from Imraan in the 'Ribaa' thread
First of all sadaqaah is extremely poorly translated as charity imo. It refers to a right that people have. This is clear when one looks at the root from which it is derived. This makes much more sense to me since if it is someone's right, they don't feel that it is a hand down & it eliminates any feeling of self-righteousness on the part of the remitter. You will notice that the word sadaqaah is aslo used in relation to the "dowry" in 44. Surely one cannot consider this a charity to the woman. Niether can it be considered a loan to the woman. It is her right. Therefore while one must consider the context of the verse, one must also remember to use tasreef in determining the meaning. So, in your example, what is given is not charity. It is the right of the one in need to have access to it.
Interesting point. That gets me thinking of and is directly related to
6141 He is the One Who initiated gardens; both trellised and untrellised; palm trees, and plants, all with different tastes; and olives and pomegranates, similar and not similar. Eat from its fruit when it blossoms and give its right/due (haqq) on the day of harvest; and do not waste. He does not like the wasteful.
So would 'sadaqa' mean 'the due/right'?
It's also very interesting that the meanings of 'sadaqa' and 'haqq' are directly related (from PRL)
Sad-Dal-Qaf = to be truthful, true, sincere, speak the truth, establish or confirm the truth of what another has said, verify, keep faith, observe a promise faithfully, fulfill, speak veraciously, hold anyone as trustworthy. sadaqa fi al-qitaali -to fight gallantly. tsaddaqa - to give alms. sidqun - truth, veracity, sincerity, soundness, excellence in a variety of different objects, salubrious and agreeable, favourable entrance, praise. saadiqun - one who is true and sincere, one who speaks the truth. saadiqah - perfect woman. sadaqat (pl. saduqaat) - dowry. siddiiq - person who is trustworthy, sincere. saddaqa - to confirm, verify, fulfil. asdaqu - more true.
As far as I am aware of, 'haqq' means 'truth, due, etc.' as well. Is the root of 'haqq' on prl as well?
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Peace
Can anyone please help with this question Is Zakat-ul-Fitr mentioned in the Quran?
I found the following on this
Zakat-ul-Fitr Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him), enjoined Zakat-ul-Fitr on everyone who fasts "To shield them from any indecent act or speech and for the purpose of providing food for the needy" (Related by Abu Dawud and Ibn Majah).
Every adult Muslim must pay Zakat-ul-Fitr for themselves and every person they are responsible for in Ramadan. We have calculated the cost of feeding a person for a day at ?4 and will ensure that your payment will reach people in the poorest countries of the world before the end of Ramadan.
Is there any historical evidence of Zakat-ul-fitr?
Thank you in advance for your help.
Peace
Hope
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Peace,
Peace
Can anyone please help with this question Is Zakat-ul-Fitr mentioned in the Quran?
I found the following on this
Zakat-ul-Fitr Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him), enjoined Zakat-ul-Fitr on everyone who fasts "To shield them from any indecent act or speech and for the purpose of providing food for the needy" (Related by Abu Dawud and Ibn Majah).
Every adult Muslim must pay Zakat-ul-Fitr for themselves and every person they are responsible for in Ramadan. We have calculated the cost of feeding a person for a day at 4 and will ensure that your payment will reach people in the poorest countries of the world before the end of Ramadan.
Is there any historical evidence of Zakat-ul-fitr?
Thank you in advance for your help.
Peace
Hope
"Zakat al fitr" is a total innovation.
- "Zakat" is not "charity".
- Charity (or rather, "that which is due" - "sadaqat" is to be given on each day that we receive income.
- There is no fixed amount for charity.
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Peace,
"Zakat al fitr" is a total innovation.
- "Zakat" is not "charity".
- Charity (or rather, "that which is due" - "sadaqat" is to be given on each day that we receive income.
- There is no fixed amount for charity.
Peace progressive1993
Thank you for your reply. Do we know from history when or whom introduced 'Zakat al fitr'?
Peace
Hope
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It was Bukhari who else ;D
http//navedz.wordpress.com/2009/09/14/ramadan-zakat-al-fitr/The absurdity of Sunniism (from the link)
Zakat al-Fitr is only Wajib for a particular period of time. If one misses the time period without a good reason, he has sinned and can not make it up. This form of charity becomes obligatory from sunset on the last day of fasting and remains obligatory until the beginning of Salah Eid al-Fitr (i.e. shortly after sunrise on the following day). However, it can be paid prior to the above mentioned period, as many of the Sahabah used to pay Sadaqah al-Fitr a couple days before the `Eid.
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687 Your Lord is fully aware of those who strayed off His path, and He is fully aware of those who are guided.
688 So do not obey those who deny.6812 Forbidder of charity, a transgressor, an evildoer.
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The absurdity of Sunniism (from the link)
Zakat al-Fitr is only Wajib for a particular period of time. If one misses the time period without a good reason, he has sinned and can not make it up. This form of charity becomes obligatory from sunset on the last day of fasting and remains obligatory until the beginning of Salah Eid al-Fitr (i.e. shortly after sunrise on the following day). However, it can be paid prior to the above mentioned period, as many of the Sahabah used to pay Sadaqah al-Fitr a couple days before the `Eid.
rotfl
687 Your Lord is fully aware of those who strayed off His path, and He is fully aware of those who are guided.
688 So do not obey those who deny.6812 Forbidder of charity, a transgressor, an evildoer.
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So have you payed yet? ;D
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Fast forward more than 8 years...
I disagree with my old conclusion. It looks like sadaqat refers to something that one gives for a privilige and is not "al haqq" mentioned in 1726. Furthermore, that wouldnt even make sense because it's an arbitrary conflation of two distinct terms and different recipients are listed for each of them.
The two things that are labelled sadaqat are the dowry and the offering for the private meeting with the messenger, of which the latter is what is to be given to the poor. It fits perfectly since the messenger gives it out. This sadaqat, although it counts as infaq (distribution/donation), isn't something that is relevant with no messenger around.
The messenger's distribution to the people listed in 960 was an ordinance from the God, and this is not directed to "aladhina amanoo."
I would translate "sadaqat" as "free offering" or "gift" or something similar
5812 O you who acknowledge, if you wish to hold a private meeting with the messenger, you shall offer a sadaqat before you do so. This is better for you, and purer. If you cannot afford it, then God is Forgiver, Compassionate.
5813 Are you reluctant to offer a sadaqat before such a meeting? If you do not do it; and God had forgiven you; then you shall uphold the salat, and give out the zakat, and obey God and His messenger. God is fully Aware of everything you do.
Obviously zakat cannot mean charity - if they couldnt afford a sadaqat (and it makes sense that the amount was left to the giver), then why would they be expected to pay a different charity? Makes no sense.
954 What prevented the acceptance of their spending was that they rejected God and His messenger, and they do not ya'toona the salat except lazily, and they donate only with great reluctance in their hearts.
I'll get back to that verse later.
955 So do not be impressed by their wealth or children; God only wishes to punish them with it in the worldly life, and so that their lives will end while they are one who spurn guidance while claiming virtue.
958 Some of them are those who criticize thee regarding the sadaqati. If they are given from it, they are content; but if they are not given from it, they become enraged!
959 If only they were content with what God and His messenger had given out to them, and had said, "God suffices us; God will give us from His bounty, and so His messenger; it is to God that we desire."
It's clear that the messenger handed out the offerings (sadaqat) he was given as per the will of the God.
960 The sadaqati are to go to the poor, the needy, those who work on their collection, those whose hearts are to be reconciled, free the slaves, those in debt, in the cause of God, and to the wayfarer. A duty from God; God is Knowledgeable, Wise.
^Not sure if I agree with the underlined translations.
961 Among them are those who hurt the prophet, and they say, "He only listens!" Say, "What he listens to is best for you. He acknowledges God, he trusts those who acknowledge, and he is a mercy to those who acknowledge among you." Those who hurt God's messenger will have a painful retribution.
Fits with the waverers only wanting to leech and harming the prophet.
As for zakat
917 Consider the human self, and how it is formed in accordance with what it is meant to be
918 and how it is imbued with the capacity to disintegrate as well as protection against detriment!
919 Successful is he who grows/develops it in purity.
9110 And failure is he who suppresses and buries it.
So zakat is purity (or integrity or synonyms) and implies groth, betterment, development. It relates to making the human self (nafs) grow in purity (or integrity or synonyms).
Interesting verse relating to the verb from the root ATW
954 What prevented the acceptance of their spending (nafaqatuhum) was that they rejected God and His messenger, and they do not ya/toona the salat except lazily, and they do not distribute/donate (yunfiqoona) except unwillingly.
I think "come to" fits if we see the saat as public. "Show," "bring" and "show forth" could work if we see "al salat" here as the commitment to support the messenger. See the context describing the munafiqoon (waverers, blind followers of the crowd)
942 If it were a near gain, or an easy journey, they would have followed you; but the distance was too much for them. They will swear by God "If we could have, we would have come with you." They destroy themselves, and God knows they are liars.
943 God pardons you; why did you grant them leave before it became clear to you who are truthful, and who are lying?
944 Those who acknowledge God and the Last day will not ask leave. They strive with their money and their lives. God is aware of the righteous.
945 Those who ask leave are the ones who do not acknowledge God and the Last day, and their hearts are in doubt. In their doubts they are wavering.
946 If they had gone with you then they would have taken all preparation for it, but God disliked their being sent forth, so He hindered them, and they were told "Stay with those who have stayed."
947 Had they come out with you they would have added nothing but disorder, and they would have hurried about seeking a test among you. There are some amongst you who listen to them. God is aware of the wicked.
Usually I have seen "give out" fitting for this verb.
I think "ata al zakat" refers to growing the human self and/or demonstrating this growth, purity and integrity outwardly.
So ata al zakat = give out/come to/demonstrate/show/bring forth purity/integrity/devolopment
I.e. outwardly doing things that represent purty of character and/or simply achieving it.
