Hot/"ramadan" Answer
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Peace Belal,
Ayman this fact is known to all...Now, if we follow your theory and Fast During the Solstice Moon, do we have to disobey our Lord and Count 13 Moon Per Year in order to Fast every year in the Solstice Moon Period?
Who said that I am counting 13? I am only counting 12 and skipping the 13th. Do you think that it is a coincidence that when I do this as per 936 the lunar cycle gets automatically adjusted with the solar cycle, and remains in sync even 1 Million years from now?
It is not my problem that you don't know what "count" means. Please tell everyone the difference between "count" (3idat) and number ("3adad" and how one can count.
Moreover, as I explained to Progressive1993, you are now counting month # 17169 and haven?t stopped the counting at 12. If you took month 2 as month 1 then the present sectarian Ramadhan would have been month 17168 and you would be fasting next month. So as I said, because you haven?t stopped counting with 12 as ordered in 936 and instead kept counting, your present day month #17169 is tied to your month 1 and can never be independent from it. So you have now been violating 936 for the past 17157 lunar months. This is indisputable.
Ayman, as we have told you before, Madoodat Means Counted...It Does Not Mean 3-10 nor 30 nor 100...it does not mean few, as well...Simply, COUNTED.
First of all what you are saying is completely baseless, not only according to Classical Arabic dictionaries, but also as anyone who knows Arabic can tell you. For example, if you say to your wife "I am traveling ayyam ma3doodat", she will never think that you mean to tell her that you will be gone for 1000 days (also counted) or 100 days or even 30 days. You and I and everyone who has even a basic understanding of Arabic knows this fact. So as an Arabic speaker you shouldn't be so desperate to justify your preconceptions that you forget how you speak at home.
Second, this doesn't resolve the redundancy. Why supposedly say "counted days" if it is known that "shahr" is a lunar cycle or 29-30 days? The god doesn't say useless and redundant things that are unnecessary.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace belH
this one is easy, let the cheerleader captain answer No we count 12 full moons/not months between 2 summer solstices. And eventually skip counting the 13th full moon/not months to keep in sync with seasons.
Who Gave you the authority to Subtract a MOON...If Ayman is your LORD, who gave you the authority to do so, will... He is not Mine...My Lord is Allah who authenticated the Guidance in the Quran...He did not gave me the authority to Subtract a Moon.
i don't agree , look for any arabic text with the word "ma3doodaat" in it. then ask any arabic speaker to tell you how many does "ma3doodat" in that context means.
if i tell you that your days are COUNTED/ma3doodat, it means that there's something you should worry about.I'm an Arabic Speaker...
The Root word for Ma3doodat is 3ad, which mean COUNT.
If someone tell me that my days are Madoodat, then I will tell him "You are full of it...Only God knows the years Count of anybody's life.By the way, if you will call your self a Cheerleader Captain, please you need to change your Gender Symbol.
Peace
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Peace Eid,
You did not even read the article and all the different theories;
here is the one from last year BIG ILLUSION before the solstice again....
http//science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/16jun_moonillusion.htm http//facstaff.uww.edu/mccreadd/
FACT THERE WAS NO FULL MOON ILLUSION AFTER THE SOLSTICE ON JULY 18, 2008!
FACT You did NOT witness a full moon illusion after sunset last year on JULY 18, 2008!
FACT No one saw a full moon illusion (they called it a regular full moon) which was NOT even full after sunset!
FACT THE ONLY FULL MOON ILLUSION EVERYONE SAW LAST YEAR WAS BEFORE THE SOLSTICE!
FACT YOU ARE FASTING ON THE WRONG HOT MOON!
FACT YOU HAVE BEEN PROVEN WRONG AND STILL POST ABOUT ILLUSIONS!
Now, you want to admit that full moon illusion has ZERO to do with this and move on to the next question or do you want to say that you or anyone else saw a full moon illusion last year July 18 after the solstice?Instead of all your babbling just answer those two simple YES or NO question
The TWO full-moons that take the LOWEST path accross the horizon are the full-moons BEFORE and AFTER the summer solstice. YES or NO?
The temperature is hotter at the time of the full-moon AFTER the summer solstice than the one BEFORE it. YES or NO?
Remember that "scorching" has two connotations, hot and red. If you are not smart enough to answer the above two simple questions then you are in no position to provide any valid opinion on anything.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Eid,
Instead of all your babbling just answer those two simple YES or NO question
The TWO full-moons that take the LOWEST path accross the horizon are the full-moons BEFORE and AFTER the summer solstice. YES or NO?
The temperature is hotter at the time of the full-moon AFTER the summer solstice than the one BEFORE it. YES or NO?
Remember that "scorching" has two connotations, hot and red. If you are not smart enough to answer the above two simple questions then you are in no position to provide any valid opinion on anything.
Peace,
Ayman
What all these have to do with Fasting Ramadan Month?
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Peace Belal,
What all these have to do with Fasting Ramadan Month?
I am sorry to hear that you have been sleeping through the past 107 pages.
From PRL
= Shiin-ha-Ra = make it notable/known/manifest/public/infamous (in a bad or good sense), hire/contract for a month, stay a month, month old, month, new moon, moon, full moon, any evil thing that exposes its author to disgrace, a vice/fault or the like, big & bulky, reputable/eminent.
Ra-Miim-Dad = to be burning, heat, be blasted by the sun. ramaDda - to sharpen (a spear) between stones, roast, pasture on a burning ground, burn. ramDda - scorching heat, burning hot (ground). ramadzan - the ninth month of Islamic calendar, the month of fast.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Belal,
I am sorry to hear that you have been sleeping through the past 107 pages.
From PRL
= Shiin-ha-Ra = make it notable/known/manifest/public/infamous (in a bad or good sense), hire/contract for a month, stay a month, month old, month, new moon, moon, full moon, any evil thing that exposes its author to disgrace, a vice/fault or the like, big & bulky, reputable/eminent.
Ra-Miim-Dad = to be burning, heat, be blasted by the sun. ramaDda - to sharpen (a spear) between stones, roast, pasture on a burning ground, burn. ramDda - scorching heat, burning hot (ground). ramadzan - the ninth month of Islamic calendar, the month of fast.
Peace,
Ayman
Peace Ayman,
As I told you Before, ALLAH has given the Full Moon Different Name than Shaher (YOUR Invention), please see below677So when he saw the moon Full, he said This is my Lord. But when it disappeared he said If my Lord does not guide me, then I will be among the wicked people!
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Peace Belal,
As I told you Before, ALLAH has given the Full Moon Different Name than Shaher (YOUR Invention), please see below
As I told you before, you have imagined a different name for full moon. I hope that you will not worship your imagination and call it ALLAH.
On the other hand, I didn't invent anything since the meaning of "shahr" as "full-moon" is given by Classical Arabic dictionaries, whether you like it or not .
677So when he saw the moon Full, he said This is my Lord. But when it disappeared he said If my Lord does not guide me, then I will be among the wicked people!
677Now let's see who is inventing nonsense
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YUSUFALI When he saw the moon rising in splendour, he said "This is my Lord." But when the moon set, He said "unless my Lord guide me, I shall surely be among those who go astray."
PICKTHAL And when he saw the moon uprising, he exclaimed This is my Lord. But when it set, he said Unless my Lord guide me, I surely shall become one of the folk who are astray.
SHAKIR Then when he saw the moon rising, he said Is this my Lord? So when it set, he said If my Lord had not guided me I should certainly be of the erring people.
KHALIFA When he saw the moon rising, he said, "Maybe this is my Lord!" When it disappeared, he said, "Unless my Lord guides me, I will be with the strayers."From PRL
= Ba-Zay-Ghayn = rise or come forth (normally applied to the sun/moon), flow/spread.
bazagha vb. (1) pcple. act. 677, 678677 talks about "When he saw the moon rising...". So ?qamar? means moon and not full-moon, unless you want to propose some nonsense that only the full-moon rises. Same goes for other passages that talk, for example, about the ?qamar? (moon) going in orbit such as 2133. Unless you want to apply your nonsense resulting in that only the full-moon goes in an orbit while the other phases don?t. So ?qamar? cannot logically mean ?full-moon? and it simply means ?moon?. On the other hand, ?full-moon? is ?shahr?.
Peace,
Ayman
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677 talks about "When he saw the moon rising...". So ?qamar? means moon and not full-moon, unless you want to propose some nonsense that only the full-moon rises. Same goes for other passages that talk, for example, about the ?qamar? (moon) going in orbit such as 2133. Unless you want to apply your nonsense resulting in that only the full-moon goes in an orbit while the other phases don?t. So ?qamar? cannot logically mean ?full-moon? and it simply means ?moon?. On the other hand, ?full-moon? is ?shahr?.
This is the Arabic Tongue
The Word Qamar = FULL MOON
The Word Helal= Crescent--Less than Full MoonNow...If Good calls the Full Moon Shaher then He would have said "When He Saw the Shaher (6-77)
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Peace TheJoker,
I have a question for those who uphold that shahr = month, in this context.
2185 says that the quran was sent down in this month (sic)
In truth, wasn't the quran sent down in stages? 2532 and 17106There are two steps for revelation
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Inzal/decending by the spirit which happened in one night - the night of measure where the moon start being measured in decending stages until it becomes a crescent (3639). This is also the night of the scorching full-moon.
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Tanzil/bringing it down to the heart of the prophet which as you said happened over a long period.
"Inzal" is one night and not 29-30 days. "Tanzil" is over a long period and not specifically 29-30 days. So the 29-30 days lunar month is completely irrelevant as far as this issue.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace all,
Do not listen to me or to ayman and do it yourself.
Please Copy the following word
Then Paste in the following Arabic English Dictionary to know the meaning
http//www.babylon.com/define/98/English-Arabic-Dictionary.html
By the way, the arabic word you copied is the famous word "Shahar"
Peace all
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Peace TheJoker,
There are two steps for revelation
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Inzal/decending by the spirit which happened in one night - the night of measure where the moon start being measured in decending stages until it becomes a crescent (3639). This is also the night of the scorching full-moon.
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Tanzil/bringing it down to the heart of the prophet which as you said happened over a long period.
"Inzal" is one night and not 29-30 days. "Tanzil" is over a long period and not specifically 29-30 days. So the 29-30 days lunar month is completely irrelevant as far as this issue.
Peace,
Ayman
Brilliant!!!!!!!! . . . . . .
To any one who has an arabic tongue. What is the meaning of this sentence
- The rocket is going to the full-moon
- The rocket is going to the moon
Peace,
Ayman
rotfl
Do not forget that the verb "Ra'aa" (Saw) was before the word Qamar in verse (6-77).
What He (Abraham) SAW was a Stage (Phase) of the Moon, which could be FULL or Crescent.
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Peace Ayman,
babbling
We were discussing THE FULL MOON ILLUSION that you are too proud to admit is NOT applicable.
http//www.timeanddate.com/calendar/moonphases.html?year=2008&n=263
http//aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/AltAz.php
Data for June 18, 2008 FULL MOON 131 PM
1950 -2.9 124.1 1.00
2000 -1.3 125.6 1.00
2010 0.7 127.1 1.00 HUGE FULL MOON ILLUSION AFTER SUNSET!
2020 2.0 128.6 1.00Summer Solstice June 21, 2008
Data for July 17, 2008
1920 -1.7 120.7 1.00
1930 0.4 122.2 1.00 was this the full moon illusion?
1940 1.8 123.7 1.00Data for July 18, 2008 Full Moon 359 AM Ayman's HOT MOON
Time Altitude Azimuth Fraction Illuminated
1950 -2.4 115.2 1.00
2000 -0.1 116.7 0.99
2010 1.4 118.2 0.99 not full moon after sunset; was this the illusion?
2020 2.9 119.7 0.99Answer the TWO simple YES or NO questions that I asked you.
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Does THE FULL MOON ILLUSION have anything to do with it?
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Did you see THE FULL MOON ILLUSION last year after the solstice?
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Peace TheJoker,
I have a question for those who uphold that shahr = month, in this context.
2185 says that the quran was sent down in this month (sic)
In truth, wasn't the quran sent down in stages? 2532 and 17106
I read it as descended/began in a night in the month of Ramadan (first stage); the rest like this surah came later obviously...
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8012(The Prophet) frowned and turned away, (1) Because there came to him the blind man (2) And how can you know that he might become pure? (3) Or that he might receive admonition, and that the admonition might profit him? (4) As for him who thinks himself self-sufficient, (5) To him you attend; (6) What does it matter to you if he will not become pure (from disbelief, you are only a Messenger, your duty is to convey the Message of All?h) (7) But as to him who came to you running ( And is afraid (of All?h and His Punishment), (9) Of him you are neglectful and divert your attention to another, (10) Nay, indeed it (this Qur'?n) is an admonition, (11) So whoever wills, let him pay attention to it. (12)
All those who make the intent (witness) to do so should fast the month including the blind!
There is nothing more clearer than the above.