Hot/"ramadan" Answer
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Peace Belal,
As I told you Before, ALLAH has given the Full Moon Different Name than Shaher (YOUR Invention), please see below
As I told you before, you have imagined a different name for full moon. I hope that you will not worship your imagination and call it ALLAH.
On the other hand, I didn't invent anything since the meaning of "shahr" as "full-moon" is given by Classical Arabic dictionaries, whether you like it or not .
677So when he saw the moon Full, he said This is my Lord. But when it disappeared he said If my Lord does not guide me, then I will be among the wicked people!
677Now let's see who is inventing nonsense
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YUSUFALI When he saw the moon rising in splendour, he said "This is my Lord." But when the moon set, He said "unless my Lord guide me, I shall surely be among those who go astray."
PICKTHAL And when he saw the moon uprising, he exclaimed This is my Lord. But when it set, he said Unless my Lord guide me, I surely shall become one of the folk who are astray.
SHAKIR Then when he saw the moon rising, he said Is this my Lord? So when it set, he said If my Lord had not guided me I should certainly be of the erring people.
KHALIFA When he saw the moon rising, he said, "Maybe this is my Lord!" When it disappeared, he said, "Unless my Lord guides me, I will be with the strayers."From PRL
= Ba-Zay-Ghayn = rise or come forth (normally applied to the sun/moon), flow/spread.
bazagha vb. (1) pcple. act. 677, 678677 talks about "When he saw the moon rising...". So ?qamar? means moon and not full-moon, unless you want to propose some nonsense that only the full-moon rises. Same goes for other passages that talk, for example, about the ?qamar? (moon) going in orbit such as 2133. Unless you want to apply your nonsense resulting in that only the full-moon goes in an orbit while the other phases don?t. So ?qamar? cannot logically mean ?full-moon? and it simply means ?moon?. On the other hand, ?full-moon? is ?shahr?.
Peace,
Ayman
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677 talks about "When he saw the moon rising...". So ?qamar? means moon and not full-moon, unless you want to propose some nonsense that only the full-moon rises. Same goes for other passages that talk, for example, about the ?qamar? (moon) going in orbit such as 2133. Unless you want to apply your nonsense resulting in that only the full-moon goes in an orbit while the other phases don?t. So ?qamar? cannot logically mean ?full-moon? and it simply means ?moon?. On the other hand, ?full-moon? is ?shahr?.
This is the Arabic Tongue
The Word Qamar = FULL MOON
The Word Helal= Crescent--Less than Full MoonNow...If Good calls the Full Moon Shaher then He would have said "When He Saw the Shaher (6-77)
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Peace TheJoker,
I have a question for those who uphold that shahr = month, in this context.
2185 says that the quran was sent down in this month (sic)
In truth, wasn't the quran sent down in stages? 2532 and 17106There are two steps for revelation
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Inzal/decending by the spirit which happened in one night - the night of measure where the moon start being measured in decending stages until it becomes a crescent (3639). This is also the night of the scorching full-moon.
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Tanzil/bringing it down to the heart of the prophet which as you said happened over a long period.
"Inzal" is one night and not 29-30 days. "Tanzil" is over a long period and not specifically 29-30 days. So the 29-30 days lunar month is completely irrelevant as far as this issue.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace all,
Do not listen to me or to ayman and do it yourself.
Please Copy the following word
Then Paste in the following Arabic English Dictionary to know the meaning
http//www.babylon.com/define/98/English-Arabic-Dictionary.html
By the way, the arabic word you copied is the famous word "Shahar"
Peace all
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Peace TheJoker,
There are two steps for revelation
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Inzal/decending by the spirit which happened in one night - the night of measure where the moon start being measured in decending stages until it becomes a crescent (3639). This is also the night of the scorching full-moon.
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Tanzil/bringing it down to the heart of the prophet which as you said happened over a long period.
"Inzal" is one night and not 29-30 days. "Tanzil" is over a long period and not specifically 29-30 days. So the 29-30 days lunar month is completely irrelevant as far as this issue.
Peace,
Ayman
Brilliant!!!!!!!! . . . . . .
To any one who has an arabic tongue. What is the meaning of this sentence
- The rocket is going to the full-moon
- The rocket is going to the moon
Peace,
Ayman
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Do not forget that the verb "Ra'aa" (Saw) was before the word Qamar in verse (6-77).
What He (Abraham) SAW was a Stage (Phase) of the Moon, which could be FULL or Crescent.
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Peace Ayman,
babbling
We were discussing THE FULL MOON ILLUSION that you are too proud to admit is NOT applicable.
http//www.timeanddate.com/calendar/moonphases.html?year=2008&n=263
http//aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/AltAz.php
Data for June 18, 2008 FULL MOON 131 PM
1950 -2.9 124.1 1.00
2000 -1.3 125.6 1.00
2010 0.7 127.1 1.00 HUGE FULL MOON ILLUSION AFTER SUNSET!
2020 2.0 128.6 1.00Summer Solstice June 21, 2008
Data for July 17, 2008
1920 -1.7 120.7 1.00
1930 0.4 122.2 1.00 was this the full moon illusion?
1940 1.8 123.7 1.00Data for July 18, 2008 Full Moon 359 AM Ayman's HOT MOON
Time Altitude Azimuth Fraction Illuminated
1950 -2.4 115.2 1.00
2000 -0.1 116.7 0.99
2010 1.4 118.2 0.99 not full moon after sunset; was this the illusion?
2020 2.9 119.7 0.99Answer the TWO simple YES or NO questions that I asked you.
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Does THE FULL MOON ILLUSION have anything to do with it?
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Did you see THE FULL MOON ILLUSION last year after the solstice?
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Peace TheJoker,
I have a question for those who uphold that shahr = month, in this context.
2185 says that the quran was sent down in this month (sic)
In truth, wasn't the quran sent down in stages? 2532 and 17106
I read it as descended/began in a night in the month of Ramadan (first stage); the rest like this surah came later obviously...
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8012(The Prophet) frowned and turned away, (1) Because there came to him the blind man (2) And how can you know that he might become pure? (3) Or that he might receive admonition, and that the admonition might profit him? (4) As for him who thinks himself self-sufficient, (5) To him you attend; (6) What does it matter to you if he will not become pure (from disbelief, you are only a Messenger, your duty is to convey the Message of All?h) (7) But as to him who came to you running ( And is afraid (of All?h and His Punishment), (9) Of him you are neglectful and divert your attention to another, (10) Nay, indeed it (this Qur'?n) is an admonition, (11) So whoever wills, let him pay attention to it. (12)
All those who make the intent (witness) to do so should fast the month including the blind!
There is nothing more clearer than the above.
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Peace TheJoker,
I read it as descended/began in a night in the month of Ramadan (first stage); the rest like this surah came later obviously...
Peace all,
You still didn't get it. OK ? Here is it in slow mo..
1- there are TWO forms of descending/revealing the quran, i mean in the quran ANZALA, and NAZZALA. Unfortunately, all the translations do't make any difference between the TWO, and treat them as "descending/descendu/bajado...etc.."
2- this is for arabic speakers (you, bilal)
NAZZALA....YUNAZZILO...TANZEELAN
ANZALA...YUNZILO....INZAALAN
Can you please tell me the difference between both ?
Witing for the answer
salam
By the way, if you will call your self a Cheerleader Captain, please you need to change your Gender Symbol.
the cheerleader captain is not an idea of mine, it's guest's and nun's ;D
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Dear Belal .
No matter how much powerful arguement you bring it is going to be useless because you can debate with anyone who has some knowledge but that one who is a heap of ignorance.Regards
Or hell bent on distorting the truth, they are on pay roll after all they make their living out of it. yes
As for us this is what counts; Today, I have completed your religion, perfected My blessing upon you, and I have decreed Submission as the religion for you.
God bless all those who strive against wrong doers and uphold the system established by the last prophet Mohammad pbuh.
Salaam and happy Ramadan sun
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Peace all,
You still didn't get it. OK ? Here is it in slow mo..
1- there are TWO forms of descending/revealing the quran, i mean in the quran ANZALA, and NAZZALA. Unfortunately, all the translations do't make any difference between the TWO, and treat them as "descending/descendu/bajado...etc.."
2- this is for arabic speakers (you, bilal)
NAZZALA....YUNAZZILO...TANZEELAN
ANZALA.......YUNZILO.......INZAALAN
Can you please tell me the difference between both ?
Waiting for the answer
salam
the cheerleader captain is not an idea of mine, it's guest's and nun's ;D
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"Maadood" is a common word which we use in urdu every day, and there is absolutely no doubt about it that it means , "A very limited count"
Isn't it Farida?
Moreover , Rasulhamza was right in pointing out ,when you were trying to confuse ashraa, and "Shahar Ramadhan"
Ashraa, means arabic number 10. and you can call 1 to 10th day of a month as ashraa ae awaal, (first 10 days),11th to 20th as ashraa ul sani, (2nd ten day period) and 21st to 30th as akhari ashraa, ( last ten days), It has got nothing to do with Shahar, or shahar Ramadhan.
I am amazed , that with such ignorance , you are so arrogant?
knowing very well what "Maadood "means, you have chosen to keep quite like a hypocrite?
When some one addresses you with respect as "A SISTER" you bark at him . How do you want to be addressed...?Let me assure you "Ramadhan as a month" is "deep" fried with you being its lawyer, and God save your clients in the real world.
siki