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    belH
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    Peace belH

    this one is easy, let the cheerleader captain answer No we count 12 full moons/not months between 2 summer solstices. And eventually skip counting the 13th full moon/not months to keep in sync with seasons.

    Who Gave you the authority to Subtract a MOON...If Ayman is your LORD, who gave you the authority to do so, will... He is not Mine...My Lord is Allah who authenticated the Guidance in the Quran...He did not gave me the authority to Subtract a Moon.

    i don't agree , look for any arabic text with the word "ma3doodaat" in it. then ask any arabic speaker to tell you how many does "ma3doodat" in that context means.
    if i tell you that your days are COUNTED/ma3doodat, it means that there's something you should worry about.

    I'm an Arabic Speaker...
    The Root word for Ma3doodat is 3ad, which mean COUNT.
    If someone tell me that my days are Madoodat, then I will tell him "You are full of it...Only God knows the years Count of anybody's life.

    By the way, if you will call your self a Cheerleader Captain, please you need to change your Gender Symbol.

    Peace

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      ayman
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      Peace Eid,

      You did not even read the article and all the different theories;
      here is the one from last year BIG ILLUSION before the solstice again....
      http//science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/16jun_moonillusion.htm http//facstaff.uww.edu/mccreadd/
      FACT THERE WAS NO FULL MOON ILLUSION AFTER THE SOLSTICE ON JULY 18, 2008!
      FACT You did NOT witness a full moon illusion after sunset last year on JULY 18, 2008!
      FACT No one saw a full moon illusion (they called it a regular full moon) which was NOT even full after sunset!
      FACT THE ONLY FULL MOON ILLUSION EVERYONE SAW LAST YEAR WAS BEFORE THE SOLSTICE!
      FACT YOU ARE FASTING ON THE WRONG HOT MOON!
      FACT YOU HAVE BEEN PROVEN WRONG AND STILL POST ABOUT ILLUSIONS!
      Now, you want to admit that full moon illusion has ZERO to do with this and move on to the next question or do you want to say that you or anyone else saw a full moon illusion last year July 18 after the solstice?

      Instead of all your babbling just answer those two simple YES or NO question

      The TWO full-moons that take the LOWEST path accross the horizon are the full-moons BEFORE and AFTER the summer solstice. YES or NO?

      The temperature is hotter at the time of the full-moon AFTER the summer solstice than the one BEFORE it. YES or NO?

      Remember that "scorching" has two connotations, hot and red. If you are not smart enough to answer the above two simple questions then you are in no position to provide any valid opinion on anything.

      Peace,

      Ayman

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        belH
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        Peace Eid,

        Instead of all your babbling just answer those two simple YES or NO question

        The TWO full-moons that take the LOWEST path accross the horizon are the full-moons BEFORE and AFTER the summer solstice. YES or NO?

        The temperature is hotter at the time of the full-moon AFTER the summer solstice than the one BEFORE it. YES or NO?

        Remember that "scorching" has two connotations, hot and red. If you are not smart enough to answer the above two simple questions then you are in no position to provide any valid opinion on anything.

        Peace,

        Ayman

        What all these have to do with Fasting Ramadan Month?

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          ayman
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          Peace Belal,

          What all these have to do with Fasting Ramadan Month?

          I am sorry to hear that you have been sleeping through the past 107 pages.

          From PRL

          = Shiin-ha-Ra = make it notable/known/manifest/public/infamous (in a bad or good sense), hire/contract for a month, stay a month, month old, month, new moon, moon, full moon, any evil thing that exposes its author to disgrace, a vice/fault or the like, big & bulky, reputable/eminent.

          Ra-Miim-Dad = to be burning, heat, be blasted by the sun. ramaDda - to sharpen (a spear) between stones, roast, pasture on a burning ground, burn. ramDda - scorching heat, burning hot (ground). ramadzan - the ninth month of Islamic calendar, the month of fast.

          Peace,

          Ayman

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            belH
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            Peace Belal,

            I am sorry to hear that you have been sleeping through the past 107 pages.

            From PRL

            = Shiin-ha-Ra = make it notable/known/manifest/public/infamous (in a bad or good sense), hire/contract for a month, stay a month, month old, month, new moon, moon, full moon, any evil thing that exposes its author to disgrace, a vice/fault or the like, big & bulky, reputable/eminent.

            Ra-Miim-Dad = to be burning, heat, be blasted by the sun. ramaDda - to sharpen (a spear) between stones, roast, pasture on a burning ground, burn. ramDda - scorching heat, burning hot (ground). ramadzan - the ninth month of Islamic calendar, the month of fast.

            Peace,

            Ayman

            Peace Ayman,
            As I told you Before, ALLAH has given the Full Moon Different Name than Shaher (YOUR Invention), please see below

            677So when he saw the moon Full, he said This is my Lord. But when it disappeared he said If my Lord does not guide me, then I will be among the wicked people!

            677

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              What all these have to do with Fasting Ramadan Month?

              Ramadan means to burn. For the sins of those who fast and beg Allah for forgiveness in this month burn and perish.
              http//www.hizmetbooks.org/Endless_Bliss_Fifth_Fascicle/Bliss-5-Chapter-2.htm

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                ayman
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                Peace Belal,

                As I told you Before, ALLAH has given the Full Moon Different Name than Shaher (YOUR Invention), please see below

                As I told you before, you have imagined a different name for full moon. I hope that you will not worship your imagination and call it ALLAH.

                On the other hand, I didn't invent anything since the meaning of "shahr" as "full-moon" is given by Classical Arabic dictionaries, whether you like it or not .

                677So when he saw the moon Full, he said This is my Lord. But when it disappeared he said If my Lord does not guide me, then I will be among the wicked people!
                677

                Now let's see who is inventing nonsense

                006.077
                YUSUFALI When he saw the moon rising in splendour, he said "This is my Lord." But when the moon set, He said "unless my Lord guide me, I shall surely be among those who go astray."
                PICKTHAL And when he saw the moon uprising, he exclaimed This is my Lord. But when it set, he said Unless my Lord guide me, I surely shall become one of the folk who are astray.
                SHAKIR Then when he saw the moon rising, he said Is this my Lord? So when it set, he said If my Lord had not guided me I should certainly be of the erring people.
                KHALIFA When he saw the moon rising, he said, "Maybe this is my Lord!" When it disappeared, he said, "Unless my Lord guides me, I will be with the strayers."

                From PRL
                = Ba-Zay-Ghayn = rise or come forth (normally applied to the sun/moon), flow/spread.
                bazagha vb. (1) pcple. act. 677, 678

                677 talks about "When he saw the moon rising...". So ?qamar? means moon and not full-moon, unless you want to propose some nonsense that only the full-moon rises. Same goes for other passages that talk, for example, about the ?qamar? (moon) going in orbit such as 2133. Unless you want to apply your nonsense resulting in that only the full-moon goes in an orbit while the other phases don?t. So ?qamar? cannot logically mean ?full-moon? and it simply means ?moon?. On the other hand, ?full-moon? is ?shahr?.

                Peace,

                Ayman

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                  I have a question for those who uphold that shahr = month, in this context.

                  2185 says that the quran was sent down in this month (sic)

                  In truth, wasn't the quran sent down in stages? 2532 and 17106

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                    belH
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                    677 talks about "When he saw the moon rising...". So ?qamar? means moon and not full-moon, unless you want to propose some nonsense that only the full-moon rises. Same goes for other passages that talk, for example, about the ?qamar? (moon) going in orbit such as 2133. Unless you want to apply your nonsense resulting in that only the full-moon goes in an orbit while the other phases don?t. So ?qamar? cannot logically mean ?full-moon? and it simply means ?moon?. On the other hand, ?full-moon? is ?shahr?.

                    This is the Arabic Tongue

                    The Word Qamar = FULL MOON
                    The Word Helal= Crescent--Less than Full Moon

                    Now...If Good calls the Full Moon Shaher then He would have said "When He Saw the Shaher (6-77)

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                      To any one who has an arabic tongue
                      What is the meaning of this word

                      Does it have one meaning or many different meanings--as the word Shaher that has many different meanings of which non is "MOON"

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                        ayman
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                        Peace TheJoker,

                        I have a question for those who uphold that shahr = month, in this context.
                        2185 says that the quran was sent down in this month (sic)
                        In truth, wasn't the quran sent down in stages? 2532 and 17106

                        There are two steps for revelation

                        1. Inzal/decending by the spirit which happened in one night - the night of measure where the moon start being measured in decending stages until it becomes a crescent (3639). This is also the night of the scorching full-moon.

                        2. Tanzil/bringing it down to the heart of the prophet which as you said happened over a long period.

                        "Inzal" is one night and not 29-30 days. "Tanzil" is over a long period and not specifically 29-30 days. So the 29-30 days lunar month is completely irrelevant as far as this issue.

                        Peace,

                        Ayman

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                          belH
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                          Peace all,

                          Do not listen to me or to ayman and do it yourself.

                          Please Copy the following word

                          Then Paste in the following Arabic English Dictionary to know the meaning

                          http//www.babylon.com/define/98/English-Arabic-Dictionary.html

                          By the way, the arabic word you copied is the famous word "Shahar"

                          Peace all

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                            ayman
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                            To any one who has an arabic tongue. What is the meaning of this sentence

                            1. The rocket is going to the full-moon )
                            2. The rocket is going to the moon

                            Peace,

                            Ayman

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                              belH
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                              Peace TheJoker,

                              There are two steps for revelation

                              1. Inzal/decending by the spirit which happened in one night - the night of measure where the moon start being measured in decending stages until it becomes a crescent (3639). This is also the night of the scorching full-moon.

                              2. Tanzil/bringing it down to the heart of the prophet which as you said happened over a long period.

                              "Inzal" is one night and not 29-30 days. "Tanzil" is over a long period and not specifically 29-30 days. So the 29-30 days lunar month is completely irrelevant as far as this issue.

                              Peace,

                              Ayman

                              Brilliant!!!!!!!! . . . . . .

                              To any one who has an arabic tongue. What is the meaning of this sentence

                              1. The rocket is going to the full-moon
                              2. The rocket is going to the moon

                              Peace,

                              Ayman

                              rotfl

                              Do not forget that the verb "Ra'aa" (Saw) was before the word Qamar in verse (6-77).

                              What He (Abraham) SAW was a Stage (Phase) of the Moon, which could be FULL or Crescent.

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                                ayman
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                                Peace Belal,

                                Do not forget that the verb "Ra'aa" (Saw) was before the word Qamar in verse (6-77).

                                Are you trying to say that "he saw the moon" and not "the moon saw him". OK I got you now. )

                                Peace,

                                Ayman

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                                  belH
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                                  Peace all,
                                  Please copy and paste the following words (one at a time) in the link I provided before (http//www.babylon.com/define/98/English-Arabic-Dictionary.html) to know the meaning yourself

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                                    belH
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                                    Peace Belal,

                                    Are you trying to say that "he saw the moon" and not "the moon saw him". OK I got you now.

                                    Peace,

                                    Ayman

                                    rotfl
                                    Brilliant!!!!!!!! . . . . . .

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                                      unknownuser
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                                      Peace Ayman,

                                      babbling

                                      We were discussing THE FULL MOON ILLUSION that you are too proud to admit is NOT applicable.

                                      http//www.timeanddate.com/calendar/moonphases.html?year=2008&n=263
                                      http//aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/AltAz.php
                                      Data for June 18, 2008 FULL MOON 131 PM
                                      1950 -2.9 124.1 1.00
                                      2000 -1.3 125.6 1.00
                                      2010 0.7 127.1 1.00 HUGE FULL MOON ILLUSION AFTER SUNSET!
                                      2020 2.0 128.6 1.00

                                      Summer Solstice June 21, 2008

                                      Data for July 17, 2008
                                      1920 -1.7 120.7 1.00
                                      1930 0.4 122.2 1.00 was this the full moon illusion?
                                      1940 1.8 123.7 1.00

                                      Data for July 18, 2008 Full Moon 359 AM Ayman's HOT MOON
                                      Time Altitude Azimuth Fraction Illuminated
                                      1950 -2.4 115.2 1.00
                                      2000 -0.1 116.7 0.99
                                      2010 1.4 118.2 0.99 not full moon after sunset; was this the illusion?
                                      2020 2.9 119.7 0.99

                                      Answer the TWO simple YES or NO questions that I asked you.

                                      1. Does THE FULL MOON ILLUSION have anything to do with it?

                                      2. Did you see THE FULL MOON ILLUSION last year after the solstice?

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                                        Peace TheJoker,

                                        I have a question for those who uphold that shahr = month, in this context.

                                        2185 says that the quran was sent down in this month (sic)

                                        In truth, wasn't the quran sent down in stages? 2532 and 17106

                                        I read it as descended/began in a night in the month of Ramadan (first stage); the rest like this surah came later obviously...

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                                        (The Prophet) frowned and turned away, (1) Because there came to him the blind man (2) And how can you know that he might become pure? (3) Or that he might receive admonition, and that the admonition might profit him? (4) As for him who thinks himself self-sufficient, (5) To him you attend; (6) What does it matter to you if he will not become pure (from disbelief, you are only a Messenger, your duty is to convey the Message of All?h) (7) But as to him who came to you running ( And is afraid (of All?h and His Punishment), (9) Of him you are neglectful and divert your attention to another, (10) Nay, indeed it (this Qur'?n) is an admonition, (11) So whoever wills, let him pay attention to it. (12)

                                        All those who make the intent (witness) to do so should fast the month including the blind!

                                        There is nothing more clearer than the above.

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                                          Q_student
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                                          rotfl
                                          Brilliant!!!!!!!! . . . . . .

                                          Dear Belal .
                                          No matter how much powerful arguement you bring it is going to be useless because you can debate with anyone who has some knowledge but that one who is a heap of ignorance.

                                          Regards

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