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    quickduck
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    Peace all

    If Ayman and his followers have some creditability left, please answer this question

    What is the QURANIC ARABIC WORD that is equal to the ENGLISH WORD MONTH?

    Sorry for the big letters, but I want everyone to understand why we are disputing with Ayman and his followers.

    do you mean this month ?

    http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Month

    As you can see, the english word "month" is a human arbitrary subdivision of the year. it has never been the same 29-30 days in all ancient cultures. There are many types of months, not all of them have the same meaning.

    So if you posted this question in BOLD just because you are convinced that month depends EXCLUSIVELEY on the moon, so tell me what do you think about the ? month ? February ?
    Is it depending on the moon ?
    The Quranic teaching for this , is that we should START counting from obvious markers/events (shahr = full moon = front doors) and stop the count @ 12, within a solar year (don?t you really see that the year is solar ??)
    After that, it?s up to you to find a word for the ? time frame ? between two obvious moon markers ??shahar?? .. some call it month , why don?t you ?

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      Peace Belal,

      For your information, Hunting is ONLY prohibited during Hajj, according to Quran.
      O you who believe, God will test you with some of the game for hunting coming within reach of your hands and your spears, so that God will know who reverences Him while unseen. Whoever transgresses from now on, then he will have a painful retribution.
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      O you who believe, do not kill any game while you are restricted; and whoever of you kills it deliberately, then the recompense is to value what was killed against the livestock, which shall be judged by two equitable persons from you, and to make it as a donation to reach the Kabba. Or, its expiation shall be in using it to feed the needy ones, while he abstains from it; that is to suffer the results of his deed; God forgives what has past. And whoever returns, then God will seek vengeance on him. God is Noble, capable of vengeance.
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      The above clearly shows that if someone hunts deliberately while he is restricted, then he will have to sacrifice an equal animal WHEN HE REACHES KABBA--God's Restricted House, which Abraham Built and God ordered Believers to make Hajj to. And that is the only place where Sacrifice should take place, according to Quran.

      There are several problems in your logic (or more appropriately, lack thereof).

      1. The first problem is that you ignore the meaning of the Arabic word "kaaba" and are thus unable to translate it.
      2. The second problem is that even the Arabic words that you know such as , which you correctly translate as "restricted", you ignore that correct meaning and instead imagine that it means "taking off your clothes and wearing some towels so that you can mindlessly spin half-naked around a stone cube".
      3. The third problem is related to the first problem. Since the "kaaba" to you means a useless stone cube that is only for you to mindlessly spin around, you seem to think that the real "kaaba"/base (the god's inviolable house) suddenly disappears when there is no "hajj".
      4. The fourth problem is that when the god mentions "four inviolable four moons (or months according to you)", you hear instead "inviolable while doing the sectarian so-called Hajj". So you even ignore your own understanding of the restriction period being four "months" and instead assume that it is just on the 8th-13th of Dhu Al-Hijjah.

      We are only under restriction when we are in Hajj--see below
      O you who believe, honor your contracts. Made lawful for you are the animals of the livestock, except that which is being recited to you. You are not permitted to hunt the game while you are under restriction. God decrees as He pleases.
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      O you who believe, do not violate the symbols of God, nor the restricted month, nor the donations, nor what is regulated, nor the safety made by the Restricted House; for they are seeking a bounty from their Lord and a blessing. And when restriction is over, then you may hunt. And let not the hatred of another people; because they had barred you from the Restricted Temple; make you aggress. And help each other in piety and righteousness, and do not help each other in sin and aggression. And be aware of God, for the retribution of God is severe.
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      So according to your logic, "honor your contracts. Made lawful for you are the animals of the livestock, except that which is being recited to you" is only from the 8th to the 13th of Dhu Al-Hijjah and otherwise we shouldn't honor our contracts and we should eat pork!

      You also ignore once again the very translation that you are providing. It clearly says "when restriction is over" not "when your so-called Hajj from 8th to 13th of Dhu Al-Hiajjah is over".

      Peace,

      Ayman

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        belH
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        do you mean this month ?

        http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Month

        As you can see, the english word "month" is a human arbitrary subdivision of the year. it has never been the same 29-30 days in all ancient cultures. There are many types of months, not all of them have the same meaning.

        So if you posted this question in BOLD just because you are convinced that month depends EXCLUSIVELEY on the moon, so tell me what do you think about the ? month ? February ?
        Is it depending on the moon ?
        The Quranic teaching for this , is that we should START counting from obvious markers/events (shahr = full moon = front doors) and stop the count @ 12, within a solar year (don?t you really see that the year is solar ??)
        After that, it?s up to you to find a word for the ? time frame ? between two obvious moon markers ??shahar?? .. some call it month , why don?t you ?

        Peace duck,

        Let me make simple for you as I did with Samia

        Translate the following ENGLISH WORD TO ARABIC

        MONTH

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          ayman
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          Peace Belal,

          If Ayman and his followers have some creditability left, please answer this question
          What is the QURANIC ARABIC WORD that is equal to the ENGLISH WORD MONTH?
          Sorry for the big letters, but I want everyone to understand why we are disputing with Ayman and his followers.

          What is the QURANIC ARABIC WORD that is equal to the ENGLISH WORD WEEK?

          Peace,

          Ayman

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            belH
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            Peace Belal,

            There are several problems in your logic (or more appropriately, lack thereof).

            1. The first problem is that you ignore the meaning of the Arabic word "kaaba" and are thus unable to translate it.

            That is the meaning of KABBA

            God has made the KABBA to be the Restricted House; to enforce for the people, and for the restricted month, and for the donations, and for regulation; that is so you may know that God knows what is in the heavens and what is in earth, and that God is aware of all things.
            597

            The Kabba is the Restricted HOUSE...Which I believe is in Jerusalem, where Makam (Tomb) Abraham Stands.

            Thus
            O you who believe, do not kill any game while you are restricted; and whoever of you kills it deliberately, then the recompense is to value what was killed against the livestock, which shall be judged by two equitable persons from you, and to make it as a donation to reach the Kabba. Or, its expiation shall be in using it to feed the needy ones, while he abstains from it; that is to suffer the results of his deed; God forgives what has past. And whoever returns, then God will seek vengeance on him. God is Noble, capable of vengeance.
            595

            The Sacrifice shall be in the Restricted House..Therefore, the Hunting Restriction is During our Hajj to the Restricted House. !

            Now

            WHAT IS THE ARABIC WORD THAT EQUAL THE ENGLISH WORD "MONTH"?

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              quickduck
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              Peace Belal,

              What is the QURANIC ARABIC WORD that is equal to the ENGLISH WORD WEEK?

              Peace,

              Ayman

              Please Ayman, make it simple for him

              @ BelH

              Translate the following ENGLISH WORD TO ARABIC

              WEEK

              I mean , this WEEK

              http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Week

              salam,

              P.S rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl

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                belH
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                Please Ayman, make it simple for him

                @ BelH

                Translate the following ENGLISH WORD TO ARABIC

                WEEK

                I mean , this WEEK

                http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Week

                salam,

                P.S rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl

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                  ayman
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                  Peace Belal,

                  That is the meaning of KABBA
                  God has made the KABBA to be the Restricted House; to enforce for the people, and for the restricted month, and for the donations, and for regulation; that is so you may know that God knows what is in the heavens and what is in earth, and that God is aware of all things.
                  597
                  The Kabba is the Restricted HOUSE...Which I believe is in Jerusalem, where Makam (Tomb) Abraham Stands.
                  Thus
                  O you who believe, do not kill any game while you are restricted; and whoever of you kills it deliberately, then the recompense is to value what was killed against the livestock, which shall be judged by two equitable persons from you, and to make it as a donation to reach the Kabba. Or, its expiation shall be in using it to feed the needy ones, while he abstains from it; that is to suffer the results of his deed; God forgives what has past. And whoever returns, then God will seek vengeance on him. God is Noble, capable of vengeance.
                  595
                  The Sacrifice shall be in the Restricted House..Therefore, the Hunting Restriction is During our Hajj to the Restricted House. !

                  Are you saying that the sectarians' Kaaba is not the real "kaaba" but they just built a stone cube and hijacked the word "kaaba" from the great reading and named their pagan shrine accordingly? This is very interesting. How do we know that you are also not hijacking the word "kaaba" and slapping it on some rock in Jerusalem? Please tell us what "kaaba" means so that we can see if you are truthful.

                  If you don't trust the sectarians on "kaaba" then why trust them on "ramadhan". It is much easier to name an arbitrary abstract month than to make people go on a pilgrimage to a different physical location hundreds of kilometers away in the middle of the desert.

                  Now
                  WHAT IS THE ARABIC WORD THAT EQUAL THE ENGLISH WORD "MONTH"?

                  I see that you took out the word QURANIC. If you did it on purpose then thank you for your honesty and correction. So do you now acknoweldge that the great reading doesn't mention arbitrary manmade calendars and their arbitrary months and weeks?

                  Peace,

                  Ayman

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                    quickduck
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                    Correct !

                    but can you please quote a verse with ?
                    If you don't find, what can we deduce ?
                    that it is unquranic ? that it doesn't exist ? or that it is not important as long as we Count 12 full-moons "shahars" in solar year ?

                    Good luck !

                    P.S please post in bold so everyone could read your answer !

                    Salam

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                      belH
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                      Peace Belal,

                      What is the QURANIC ARABIC WORD that is equal to the ENGLISH WORD WEEK?

                      Peace,

                      Ayman

                      God Has mentioned Friday and Saturday in Quran...Now, What is the period between TWO Fridays or Two Saturdays?
                      The arabic Word for this period is

                      Now

                      WHAT IS THE ARABIC WORD THAT EQUAL THE ENGLISH WORD "MONTH"?

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                        belH
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                        Correct !

                        but can you please quote a verse with ?
                        If you don't find, what can we deduce ?
                        that it is unquranic ? that it doesn't exist ? or that it is not important as long as we Count 12 full-moons "shahars" in solar year ?

                        Good luck !

                        P.S please post in bold so everyone could read your answer !

                        Salam

                        I have told you the arabic word that is equal to WEEK, Now

                        WHAT IS THE ARABIC WORD THAT EQUAL THE ENGLISH WORD "MONTH"?

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                          ayman
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                          Peace Belal,

                          God Has mentioned Friday and Saturday in Quran...Now, What is the period between TWO Fridays or Two Saturdays?

                          The name Friday comes from the Old English friged?g, meaning the day of Frige the Anglo-Saxon form of Frigg, a West Germanic translation of Latin dies Veneris, "day (of the planet) Venus."

                          Saturday was named no later than the second century for the planet (Saturn), which controlled the first hour of that day according to Vettius Valens. The planet was named for the Roman god of agriculture Saturn. It has been called dies Saturni ("Saturn's Day&quot, through which form it entered into Old English as S?ternesd?g and gradually evolved into the word "Saturday". Saturday is the only day of the week in which the English name comes from Roman mythology. The English names of all of the other days of the week come from Germanic polytheism.

                          Can you please provide the passages of the great reading where the god mentions the day of the pagan goddess of fertility Frigga (the equivalent of the Roman Venus and the Greek Aphrodite) and the day of Saturn, the Roman pagan god of agriculture?

                          Peace,

                          Ayman

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                            quickduck
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                            WHAT IS THE ARABIC WORD THAT EQUAL THE ENGLISH WORD "MONTH"?

                            i did'nt notice that you changed you initial question (quranic word to arabic word) ?

                            God Has mentioned Friday and Saturday in Quran...Now, What is the period between TWO Fridays or Two Saturdays?

                            the Answer should freak you
                            The time periode between two fridays is also called " 1 friday "
                            eg Belal was traveling for 1 friday . (= for a week)

                            Now i'll answer your big-bold-moving question
                            the time frame between 2 shahrs can also be called "1 shahr".

                            But this is arbitrary, can you understand ?

                            Salam

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                              belH
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                              I see that you took out the word QURANIC. If you did it on purpose then thank you for your honesty and correction. So do you now acknoweldge that the great reading doesn't mention arbitrary manmade calendars and their arbitrary months and weeks?

                              Peace,

                              Ayman

                              Ayman, let us Cut the chase...If you answer the following, I will give you some creditability

                              WHAT IS THE QURAINIC ARABIC WORD THAT EQUAL THE ENGLISH WORD "MONTH"?

                              Peace Belal,

                              The name Friday comes from the Old English friged?g, meaning the day of Frige the Anglo-Saxon form of Frigg, a West Germanic translation of Latin dies Veneris, "day (of the planet) Venus."

                              Saturday was named no later than the second century for the planet (Saturn), which controlled the first hour of that day according to Vettius Valens. The planet was named for the Roman god of agriculture Saturn. It has been called dies Saturni ("Saturn's Day&quot, through which form it entered into Old English as S?ternesd?g and gradually evolved into the word "Saturday". Saturday is the only day of the week in which the English name comes from Roman mythology. The English names of all of the other days of the week come from Germanic polytheism.

                              Do you mean that there is no Saturday nor Friday in Quran?

                              Can you please provide the passages of the great reading where the god mentions the day of the pagan goddess of fertility Frigga (the equivalent of the Roman Venus and the Greek Aphrodite) and the day of Saturn, the Roman pagan god of agriculture?

                              Peace,

                              Ayman

                              2-65, 4-47, 4-154, 7-163, 16-124, 7-163, 62-9

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                                ayman
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                                Peace Quickduck,

                                i did'nt notice that you changed you initial question (quranic word to arabic word) ?

                                He did it after I asked him about the QURANIC ARABIC word for WEEK. )

                                The time periode between two fridays is also called " 1 friday "
                                eg Belal was traveling for 1 friday . (= for a week)

                                Belal's question about Friday and Saturday is as irrelevant as asking about January and February.

                                Peace,

                                Ayman

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                                  belH
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                                  Now i'll answer your big-bold-moving question
                                  the time frame between 2 shahrs can also be called "1 shahr".

                                  But this is arbitrary, can you understand ?

                                  Thank you for concurring to this valuable meaning

                                  SHAHER is the ARABIC WORD FOR the ENGLISH WORD MONTH

                                  Now, SHAHAR RAMADAN equal the ENGLISH WORDS MONTH of RAMADAN

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                                    Peace Belal,

                                    Ayman, let us Cut the chase...If you answer the following, I will give you some creditability
                                    WHAT IS THE QURAINIC ARABIC WORD THAT EQUAL THE ENGLISH WORD "MONTH"?

                                    This is an easy question. The god doesn't mention the word "month" in the great reading in the same way that he doesn't mention the word "week" (as you realize by now) and many other things.

                                    Do you mean that there is no Saturday nor Friday in Quran?
                                    2-65, 4-47, 4-154, 7-163, 16-124, 7-163, 62-9

                                    Those passages don't mention anything about Frigga day or Saturn day. If you knew what the Arabic words "juma'a" and "sabt" mean then you wouldn't be asking this question.

                                    Peace,

                                    Ayman

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                                      belH
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                                      Peace Belal,

                                      This is an easy question. The god doesn't mention the word "month" in the great reading in the same way that he doesn't mention the word "week" (as you realize by now) and many other things.

                                      WHAT IS THE ARABIC WORD THAT IS EQUAL TO THE ENGLISH WORD MONTH

                                      Those passages don't mention anything about Frigga day or Saturn day. If you knew what the Arabic words "juma'a" and "sabt" mean then you wouldn't be asking this question.

                                      wow Can you teach us the correct meaning PLEASE, but after answering the above question as duck did.

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                                        belH
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                                        Ayman, after answering my BIG Question, can you also teach us the true meaning of 5-95, specially these ARABIC WORDS

                                        Thank you for your effort in educating us ;D

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                                          belH
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                                          the time frame between 2 shahrs can also be called "1 shahr".

                                          Peace,
                                          I know your time is valuable, but can you tell us HOW MANY DAYS ARE IN 1 SHAHR?

                                          Duck, I know you will not let us down by not answering in a straight forward way.

                                          handshake

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