Hot/"ramadan" Answer
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You have no knowledge of earth sun moon relationship. Sun produces light, it does not decide who gets the light. Just like if you going to a light shield room. You decided to deprive yourself of sunlight. The earth does the similar think in accordance with Gos's law. Get it. Other wise explain how the sun makes the decision as to who gets the sunlight.
Light determines day and night.
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Salam,
rotfl rotfl rotfl brickwall
The answer to the first question is the earth decide which of its side gets the day and NOT the sun and the earth decide which of its gets the night NOT THE MOON.
The answer to the second question is dark earth, it will get some light from star NOT FROM MOON NOT FROM SUN (ouch wait a minute, is it sun also a star? rotfl brickwall brickwall brickwall.then, where is your moon?
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Peace Belal,
This is because you didn't read them carefully.
Read line (iii) 4th word and line (ix) 4th word in Abraha's inscription. (warkh)
Read the sixth line, second word in the Raqush inscription. (yarkh)Is this what do you call Arabic!!! You have lost your Brain...Can any one tell me if this looks like any writtings of Quran
http//www.mnh.si.edu/epigraphy/figs-stones/x-large/color_xl_jpeg/fig04.jpg
Let us see if Free- Minds Moderators will do something about this
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These are Ayman Evidence that Month does not mean Shahar but Warkhan
m a'in d m / gh z w t n / r b a'in t n /
b w r kh n / z th b t n / k f s d w / k l / b n ya a'in m r mMa'ndam / Ghazwatn / rab'atan / b'warkhan / Zthbatan /Kafa saadu / kl/ bani amrm
against the tribe of Ma'ad ( in ) the battle of al-Rabiya in the
month of "Dhu al Thabithan" (April) and fight (against) all the (tribes) of Bani A'amir.If Ayman saying the truth, Why non of the above Words has been used in Quran? Why the style of Writing (The way it looks) is not the same as the Quran?
CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT AYMAN IS MISLEADING YOU.
He knows that Shahar = Month in Arabic...And instead of admitting, he is quoting from Pagan Language that is not related to Arabic
I think I'm 100% that these guys are the followers of some Dark Side, which there main objective is to mislead Humans from God's Path.
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Peace Hope,
Thank you for your question. In Arabic, the masculine and the feminine have the same meaning but the feminine can add some intensification. The Arabic word "kaab" has the same basic meaning as "kaaba". In Arabic the word "kaab" is used in expressions like "kaab al-wadi" to mean "the base of the valley" and in "kaab al-hithaa" to mean "the base of the shoe". So the word "kaab" essentially means "base". The "base" being a safe place for gathering is a well-known universal concept that everyone understands, including children who play hide and seek. On the other hand, there is nothing inherently safe or condusive to gathering about any cube, no matter how special.
Peace,
Ayman
So your answer is There is no Hajj nor a Place for Hajj.
If this is true, then I truly mean the following
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I think I'm 100% that these guys are the followers of some Dark Side, which there main objective is to mislead Humans from God's Path.
So now you share farida's accusations. you're not "out of it " anymore.
Ok, let me put this clear
WE ARE FOLLOWERS OF A DARK SIDE ORGANISATION, AND WE ARE HERE TO MISLEAD HUMANS FROM GOD'S PATH. NOT ALL HUMANS, ONLY THE IDIOTS. SMART PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND FARIDA ALWAYS SEE IT COMING AND AVOID IT. BUT PLEASE, DONT TELL ANYONE AND LET US FINISH OUR JOB, IF WE DONT HIRE AT LEAST 10 IDIOTS PER DAY, WE WILL BE FIRED, AND NO ORGANISATION WILL ACCEPT US ANYMORE IN ANY OTHER JOB.
PLEASE I HAVE A FAMILY TO FEED. DONT RUIN MY LIFE !!!!!Salam
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Peace BelH,
stop being a drama queen, a few spoken languages have been known to change their scripts, even in contemporary times, like
Turkish...
and the Quran was revealed in the arabic tongue, and could be written by the way in any written arabic script... -
WE ARE FOLLOWERS OF A DARK SIDE ORGANISATION, AND WE ARE HERE TO MISLEAD HUMANS FROM GOD'S PATH. NOT ALL HUMANS, ONLY THE IDIOTS. SMART PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND FARIDA ALWAYS SEE IT COMING AND AVOID IT. BUT PLEASE, DONT TELL ANYONE AND LET US FINISH OUR JOB, IF WE DONT HIRE AT LEAST 10 IDIOTS PER DAY, WE WILL BE FIRED, AND NO ORGANISATION WILL ACCEPT US ANYMORE IN ANY OTHER JOB.
PLEASE I HAVE A FAMILY TO FEED. DONT RUIN MY LIFE !!!!!rotfl Who is darth vader? Who is Luke Skywalker? and I supose the idiots are the storm troopers rotfl jedi
May the force be with you and protect you all from the death star jedi peaceWhen did this thread get out of hand lol giveup
Peace
Hope
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http//www.mnh.si.edu/epigraphy/figs-stones/x-large/color_xl_jpeg/fig04.jpg
Peace,
The above language, which Ayman used to refute that the Arabic meaning of month is Shahar, contains the following words
Begin Quote
w yement / wa r'a rab hamw / Twadam / w thamat / satro / zn / satran / K'ghazow
Ma'ndam / Ghazwatn / rab'atan / b'warkhan / Zthbatan /Kafa saadu / kl/ bani amrm
Wazaki/ malikn/ abjabar / b ainam/ kadat/ wain/ w basharm / bin hasahanm/ bainm
San dam/ wa mardam / wa hadaru/ qadami / jayshan/
alia bani yamram/ kadat/ wail/ b wad /samrakh / wa mardam/ wa sadam/ b wad..B manhaj / tarban/ w zabahow / wa sarw /
w ghanamw / zaisam / wa makhdah/ malakin/ b halban/ wa danwKa zalam/ maidam / wrahanw / wa badanahaw /
nwa sa'aham mw / amram / bin/ mazran.Wa rahanamw / bin haw / wa sata khalafw / ala/ ma'dam/ wa qafalw/ bin/ hal.
( bi)n / (b) akhayal / rahman / wa rakhaw / zalan / salthany / w sathya/ ws
End Quote
Can anyone, including Ayman and his followers, quote any of the above words in Quran...If you cannot, and you will not, then would this make you feel that Ayman is underestimating your intelligence by claiming that the above language is Authantic Arabic like the Quran Language.
rotfl This is stupidity as it can be... rotfl
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Peace BelH,
stop being a drama queen, a few spoken languages have been known to change their scripts, even in contemporary times, like
Turkish...
and the Quran was revealed in the arabic tongue, and could be written by the way in any written arabic script...Peace,
How long did it take for it to change to thishttp//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Qur%27anic_Manuscript_-3-Hijazi_script.jpg/494px-Qur%27anic_Manuscript-3-_Hijazi_script.jpg
That is a quite change between the above and what Ayman posted
http//www.mnh.si.edu/epigraphy/figs-stones/x-large/color_xl_jpeg/fig04.jpg
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peace belH
this looks to me like a genealogical tree, so with people's names i need more samples with actual text renderings of actual descriptions
to make a final judgment.
here you are just questioning a pre-islamic exhibit whether it is the arabic tongue or not, right?
regarding the actual logic and rationality of the luni-solar calendar, i believe it is pretty impressive, and can only be divine, not satanic
as you try to suggest.
besides, you call us Ayman followers, but you seem to be a Layth follower regarding other matters? are you not?
i think you are very much emotionally attached to the traditional ramadan mythology, that is why you and those like you defend it
so fiercely, throwing out all kinds of desperate excuses, even going as far as using character assassination, this was a ploy used by disbelievers against Messengers, so you are not in good company, sorry...err...
now for what i do not accept...
ka'aba in the part of the world i spent my formative years in (sahara desert), in arabic tribal sahraoui, reckoned to be very close to the pure Arabic tongue, ka'aba refers to a swelling, or something that has form/shape, and the rock in the dome of the rock in Jerusalem, together with other clues in the Qur'an fits that very well. (off topic) -
peace belH
this looks to me like a genealogical tree, so with people's names i need more samples with actual text renderings of actual descriptions
to make a final judgment.
here you are just questioning a pre-islamic exhibit whether it is the arabic tongue or not, right?If you truly wants to know what is the pre-islamic arabic, study this--Jesus Language, Aramic.
http//www.syriatourism.org/servers/gallery/19358.jpg
http//sepehr.mohamadi.name/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/aat_table.jpg
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Peace Ayman,
So do you think that the god chooses his words in an arbitrary way and that the clear Arabic meaning of the word "ramadhan" doesn't matter. The god could have just as well said "XYZ" or any meaningless label? It is abantantly clear that you cannot understand when "shahr ramadhan" occurs without understanding the key word "ramadhan". This is the minimum required for any understanding.
Perpetual straw-man arguments ? ?so do you think? then overlay your thoughts as being mine. Read context, was responding to your accusation of making fun using the word ?hot? which you use ?scorching? and called this thread Hot/"ramadan".
The first quote is probably an older post of mine. I later realized that there is a difference between "shahad" and "shahad an". The first "shahad" always involves physically witnessing. If you understood my second post then you would have seen that the blind can fast and so can you if it is too cloudy but you wouldn't be obligated to. There is nothing that says that anyone CANNOT fast.
Unlike 2185, where is the word "witness" in the above?
That is issuing a fatwa -- the blind and those in cloudy weather are NOT obligated to fast.
Qur?an has a provision for those not able; e.g. feed the poor or today, had acid indigestion, auto reacted, reached for a glass of water, realized too late and broke my fast; no big deal hope to make it up another day same as a few days missed due to being ?under the weather.?
You refuted and contradicted yourself in countless earlier posts and threads?
According to 2185, fasting is for those who witnessed the scorching full-moon. You didn't witness it so you don't need to make up anything.
Peace,
Ayman
Suggest a re-write a new thread ?Hot/Ramadan II? since this topic is all over the place and cluttered.
See the following example
http//wildlife.state.nh.us/Hunting/hunting_dates_and_seasons.htmNote that hunting season is in the spring or the fall and winter. There is no hunting at all in the summer.
You changed your mind on this too as you did with hajj (debate/feast) which your current restriction varies approximately from June/July 21 to Sept/Oct 18 depending on the year?
21-Jun
21-Jul
20-Aug
18-Sep
18-OctApril 25 - 26, 2009 Youth turkey-hunting weekend ? No Protection!
May 3 - May 31 Spring gobbler season (wild turkey) ? No Protection!
Sept. 1 - November 24, 2009 Black bear/end dates vary for method ? No Protection 1-2 months!Sept. 2009 - Jan. 2010 Waterfowl/dates vary by species and zone ? No Protection 3 months!
Sept. 26-27, 2009 Youth waterfowl weekend (Saturday and Sunday)
Sept. 15 - Dec. 15 Deer/archery ? No Protection 2 months!
Sept. 15 - Dec. 15 Fall turkey/archery ? No Protection 2 months!
Oct. 12 - Oct. 16, 2009 Fall turkey/shotgun (in certain WMUs only); Monday ? Friday
Sept. 2009 - March 2010 Small game/dates vary by species and region ? No Protection!
Oct. 1 - Dec. 31 Pheasant ? No Protection!
Oct. 17 - Oct. 25 Moose (by permit only) ? No Protection!
Oct. 24 - 25 Youth deer-hunting weekend ? No Protection!
Oct. 31 - Nov. 10 Deer/muzzleloader (note -- opens Nov. 2 in WMU A) ? No Protection!
Nov. 11 - Dec. 6 Deer/firearms (note -- closes Nov. 29 in WMU A) ? No Protection!Also see prior post?
Established is that this is the easiest to refute; taken from the first few posts...
I agree. However, the hunting restriction is not about killing as a sport it is about killing for food. This is why we are told that we can eat seafood and livestock as an alternative.
Absolutely agree, find it appalling the worst of disbelief including the mindless ocean/sea hunting to feed people?s fetishes/appetite for the exotic and renewed my Greenpeace membership today which was doubled by a most generous supporter.
638 And (there is) not from a walker/creeper/crawler (creature) in the earth and nor (a) bird (that) flies with its two wings, except (they are) nations similar/alike/equal to you, We did not neglect in The Book from a thing, then to their Lord they be gathered.
Peace and best wishes,
Holiday/Eid
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Peace all,
Here is a study about the Month calculation in the Bible and the Torah (retrieved from http//www.karaite-korner.org/new_moon.shtml)Please note how the Bible verses are the same as the Quranic (I will highlight in red)
The New Moon
in the Hebrew BibleThe Biblical month begins with the crescent New Moon, also called First Visible Sliver. The Hebrew word for month (Hodesh) literally means New Moon and only by extension the period between one New Moon and the next.
The Rabbanite Midrash relates that when God said to Moses "This month (HODESH) shall be for you the beginning of months" (Ex 12,2) the Almighty pointed up into the heavens at the crescent New Moon and said "When you see like this, sanctify! ". This Rabbinic fairy-tale highlights an important point, namely that the Bible never comes out and says we should determine the beginning of months based on the New Moon. The reason for this is that the term for "Month" (Hodesh) itself implies that the month begins with the crescent New Moon. As will be seen, this would have been obvious to any ancient Israelite present when Moses recited the prophecies of YHWH to the Children of Israel and therefore there was no need to elucidate this concept any more than such terms as "light" or "dark". However, due to the long exile, we have lost the use of Biblical Hebrew in day to day speech. Therefore, we will have to reconstruct the meaning of Hodesh from the usage of the word in the Biblical text using sound linguistic principles.
He Created the Moon for Holidays
There can be no doubt that the biblical Holidays are dependent on the moon. The strongest proof of this is the passage in Ps 104,19 which declares
"He created the moon for Mo'adim "
The Hebrew term Mo'adim is the same word used to describe the Biblical Holidays. Leviticus 23, which contains a catalogue of the Biblical Holidays opens with the statement "These are the Mo'adim of YHWH, holy convocations which you shall proclaim in their appointed times .". So when the Psalmist tells us that God created the moon for Mo'adim he means that the moon was created to determine the time of the Mo'adim of YHWH, that is, the Biblical Holidays.
"Hodesh" Is Related To the Moon
The above verse clearly teaches us that the holidays are related to the moon. But when the Torah was given Ps 104 had not yet been written by the Levitical prophets, and the question still remains of how the ancient Israelites could have known this. The answer is that the Hebrew word for month (Hodesh) itself indicates a connection to the moon. We can see this connection in a number of instances in which Hodesh (month) is used interchangeably with the word "Yerah", the common Biblical Hebrew word for moon, which by extension also means "month". For example
"...in the month (Yerah) of Ziv,
which is the Second month (Hodesh)..." (1Kings 6,1)"...in the month (Yerah) of Ethanim... which is the Seventh month (Hodesh)..." (1Kings 8,2)
Another proof that Hodesh is related to the moon (Yerah) is the phrase "A Hodesh (month) of days" (Gen 29,14; Nu 11,20-21) which is equivalent to the phrase "A Yerah (month/ moon) of days" (Dt 21,13; 2Ki 15,13). Clearly then Hodesh is related to "Yerah", which itself literally means "moon".
"Hodesh" Means New Moon (Day)
The primary meaning of Hodesh (month) is actually "New Moon" or "New Moon Day" and it is only by extension that it came to mean "month", that is, the period between one New Moon and the next. This primary meaning is preserved in a number of passages such as 1Sam 20,5 in which Jonathan says to David "Tomorrow is the New Moon (Hodesh)". Clearly, in this verse Hodesh is used to refer to the specific day on which the month begins and not the entire month. Another passage which uses Hodesh in its primary sense is Ez 46,1 which talks about "The Day (Yom) of the New Moon (Ha-Hodesh)". Clearly in this verse Hodesh (New Moon) is a specific event and the beginning of the month is the day on which this event (New Moon) occurs.
The Biblical New Moon is the "First Crescent"
"Hodesh" (New Moon), is derived from the root H.D.SH. meaning "new" or "to make new/ renew". The Crescent New Moon is called Hodesh because it is the first time the moon is seen anew after being concealed for several days at the end of the lunar cycle. At the end of the lunar month the moon is close to the sun 1 and eventually reaches the point of "conjunction" when it passes between the Sun and the Earth.2 As a result, around the time of conjunction very little of the moon's illuminated surface faces the Earth and it is not visible through the infinitely brighter glare of the sun. After the moon moves past the sun it continues towards the opposite side of the Earth. As it gets farther away from the sun the percentage of its illuminated surface facing the Earth increases and one evening shortly after sunset the moon is seen anew after being invisible for 1.5-3.5 days. Because the moon is seen anew after a period of invisibility the ancients called it a "New Moon" or "Hodesh" (from Hadash meaning "new".
Crescent New Moon vs. Astronomical New Moon
Many people have been led astray by the inaccurate use in modern languages of the term "New Moon". Modern astronomers adopted this otherwise unused term, which had always referred to the first visible sliver, and used it to refer to conjunction (when the Moon passes between the Earth and the Sun, at which time it is not visible). The astronomers soon realized that the inaccurate use of "New Moon" to refer to conjunction would lead to confusion so to be more accurate scientists now distinguish between "Astronomical New Moon" and "Crescent New Moon". "Astronomical New Moon" means New Moon as the term is used by astronomers, i.e. conjunction. In contrast, "Crescent New Moon" uses the term in the original meaning of the first visible sliver. A good English dictionary should reflect both meanings. For example, the Random House Dictionary of the English Language, Unabridged Edition defines New Moon as "The moon either when in conjunction with the sun or soon after being either invisible or visible only as a slender crescent." (square brackets added by NG).
The Supposed Evidence For "Concealed Moon"
Having been confused by the use of the term New Moon in modern astronomy some people have sought Biblical support for this incorrect meaning of the term. Ps 81,3 is usually cited which says
"Blow on a horn for the Hodesh (New Moon)
On the Keseh (Full Moon) for the Day of our Hag (Feast)."According to the "Concealed Moon Theory", the term "Keseh" is derived from the root K.S.Y. meaning "to cover" and thus means "covered moon" or "concealed moon". According to this interpretation, when the verse says to blow on a horn on the day of Keseh it actually means " on the day of Concealed Moon". However, the language does not support this argument for the second half of the verse also refers to the day of Keseh as "the day of our Feast (Hag)". In the Bible, Feast (Hag) is a technical term which always refers to the three annual pilgrimage-feasts (Matzot, Shavuot, Sukkot; see Ex 23; Ex 34).3 New Moon Day (Hodesh) is never classified as a "Pilgrimage-Feast" so Keseh/ Hag can not possibly be synonymous with New Moon Day (Hodesh). It has further been suggested that Keseh refers to the Biblical holiday of Yom Teruah (Day of Shouting), which always falls out on New Moon Day. However, the Bible describes Yom Teruah as a Moed (appointed time) and never as a Hag (Pilgrimage-Feast) so Keseh/ Hag can not refer to Yom Teruah either.
What Does Keseh Really Mean?
It is likely that Keseh is related to the Aramaic word "Kista" and the Assyrian word "Kuseu" which mean "full moon" (see Brown-Driver-Briggs p.490b) . This fits in perfectly with the description of Keseh as the day of the Hag since two of the three Pilgrimage-Feasts (Hag HaMatzot and Hag HaSukkot) are on the 15th of the month, which is about the time of the Full Moon!
More on "Concealed Moon"
Another point to consider is that there is no actual "day" of concealed moon. In fact the moon stays concealed anywhere from 1.5 to 3.5 days in the Middle East. It has been proposed that the "day" of concealed moon is actually the day of conjunction (when the moon passes between the Earth and Sun). However, it was only 1000 years after Moses that the Babylonian astronomers discovered how to calculate the moment of conjunction. Therefore, the ancient Israelites would have had no way of knowing when the moment of conjunction takes place and would not have known on which day to observe "Concealed Moon Day".
It has been suggested that the ancient Israelites could have looked at the "Old Moon" and determined the Day of Conjunction by when the Old Moon was no longer visible in the morning sky. However, such a method would not work in the Middle East where the so-called "concealed moon" can remain concealed for as many as 3.5 days! It is in fact common for the moon to stay concealed for 2.5 days and in such instances how would the ancient Israelites have known which day was the Day of Conjunction?
In contrast, the ancient Israelites would have been well aware of the Crescent New Moon. In ancient societies people worked from dawn to dusk and they would have noticed the Old Moon getting smaller and smaller in the morning sky. When the morning moon had disappeared the ancient Israelites would have anxiously awaited its reappearance 1.5-3.5 days later in the evening sky. Having disappeared for several days and then appearing anew in the early evening sky they would have called it the "New Moon" or "Hodesh" (from Hadash meaning "New".
Note 1 From the perspective of an observer on Earth. Back
Note 2 I.e. it is on the same plane as the Sun and the Earth. Back
Note 3 see BDB pp.290b-291a. Even in the few instances where Hag does not refer to the three Biblical Pilgrimage-Feasts, it refers to non-Biblical pilgrimage-feasts. For example, in Judges 21,19 Hag refers to the annual pilgrimage-feast held around the shrine of Shiloh. Also, in Exodus 10,9 Moses tells Pharaoh that the Israelites must leave Egypt to celebrate a Hag to YHWH in the desert, which clearly is a pilgrimage-feast. It is worth noting that Moses says that they have a Hag, meaning they must make a pilgrimage, in this case to Mt. Sinai, and thus they must leave Egypt in order to observe the Hag properly. Back
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Peace belH,
thank you for the info, but i didn't ask for it.
what i know is that it is easy to refute, and hard to build an argument.
we are amateurs, and in many cases we use our emotions, and sometimes we even use mind reading of Allah's as proof,
as if we could do so, may He have Mercy on us, when he warns us that He is unlike any-being we know!
What I find terrible are the "Scholars" attitudes, they are amateurs too, what kind of Knowledge is that which they have
when they carry the corpus of people whose lives were governed by superstition and pleasing their Rulers, because this
is what has survived.
Why did the Mongols kill all the Scholars in Baghdad and played making pyramids with their skulls, why didn't Allah help,
because that was the beginning of the end of the Islamic Civilization that had stopped being Islamic, because it strayed
from Allah's guidance. This same happened in Spain where the Moors were kicked out too, a bit later on.
Read the Signs of Allah in the Quran and the environment. The past Muslims have gone, they made their mistakes, and we won't
be made accountable for their mistakes, and they won't be made accountable for ours.
This is written several times in the Quran for previous communities, we need to adapt it.
If we make the same mistakes, we will get the same fate. The Ottoman empire was a second chance, but they squandered it.
I will not start on the jihadist, they are an abomination created to make sure Islam never gains any credibility.
But having Scholars like the ones we have now, ignorant, stupid, stubborn, narrow minded, incapable of learning from the past, Islam will never ever gain credibility, unless Allah as he said will find another community who will be better than these sectarians and who will be the new peacekeepers on earth.
This month/year/ramadan issue is a small issue.
The true Scholars are the ones who when they read the Quran make things happen (remember the one who could outsmart the Jinn Ifriit)... -
Peace belH,
thank you for the info, but i didn't ask for it.
what i know is that it is easy to refute, and hard to build an argument.
we are amateurs, and in many cases we use our emotions, and sometimes we even use mind reading of Allah's as proof,
as if we could do so, may He have Mercy on us, when he warns us that He is unlike any-being we know!
What I find terrible are the "Scholars" attitudes, they are amateurs too, what kind of Knowledge is that which they have
when they carry the corpus of people whose lives were governed by superstition and pleasing their Rulers, because this
is what has survived.
Why did the Mongols kill all the Scholars in Baghdad and played making pyramids with their skulls, why didn't Allah help,
because that was the beginning of the end of the Islamic Civilization that had stopped being Islamic, because it strayed
from Allah's guidance. This same happened in Spain where the Moors were kicked out too, a bit later on.
Read the Signs of Allah in the Quran and the environment. The past Muslims have gone, they made their mistakes, and we won't
be made accountable for their mistakes, and they won't be made accountable for ours.
This is written several times in the Quran for previous communities, we need to adapt it.
If we make the same mistakes, we will get the same fate. The Ottoman empire was a second chance, but they squandered it.
I will not start on the jihadist, they are an abomination created to make sure Islam never gains any credibility.
But having Scholars like the ones we have now, ignorant, stupid, stubborn, narrow minded, incapable of learning from the past, Islam will never ever gain credibility, unless Allah as he said will find another community who will be better than these sectarians and who will be the new peacekeepers on earth.
This month/year/ramadan issue is a small issue.
The true Scholars are the ones who when they read the Quran make things happen (remember the one who could outsmart the Jinn Ifriit)...Peace,
Agree with all the above.Do not Forget that WE SHALL CONFRONT LIES AND SPREAD THE TRUTH FROM OUR LORD.
What Ayman is Spreading are LIES, and therefore, We Shall Confront it and Spread the Truth about Fasting and Month Calculation. As we note, Today's Christians and Jews have abandon the Lunar Calendar and adopted Solar-Lunar Calender, which is the same as Ayman is proposing. And now, according to Ayman, it is our turn to follow their footstep...This is not a small issue as you said, but it is a great issue for us.
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Peace belH
us WHO?
I didn't know you were the spokesperson to any particular organisation?
Well count me out as I am 100% independent.
The Bible is not a 100% valid source of guidance.
The Quran supersedes all previous books.
A Calendar is man made and has everything to do with whom set it up.
Natural phenomenon were what Middle East Nomads and Farmers used to keep track
of the seasons and the passage of time, and all along in the Quran, Allah swears with Natural
Bodies / Events / Phenomena, and connecting many to the Practice of Islam.
Why are you in your stubbornness wanting to argue using semantics and philology which are
sophist masturbatory human constructs that the Greeks were experts at,
arguing ad-nauseum about a subject they know little about to wear out their proponents into accepting their views... -
Peace belH
us WHO?We are trying to be of those who order what our Lord have taught us in the Books, and Prohibit what Our Lord has not prescribed in His Books.
And not of those whom God spoke about in the followingThe hypocrite males and the hypocrite females, they are to each other. They order what were not prescribed and prohibit were prescribed (In the Books), and they close their hands. They forgot God, so He will forget them; indeed, the hypocrites are the wicked.
967Why are you in your stubbornness wanting to argue using semantics
rotfl how about the one .who is arguing using Pagan Language to Refute that the Shahar = Month; After all, as our Lord ordered us, we shall believe in the Quran, the Bible and the Torah.
If you want to Judge, please be fare...After all, you have said you are independent and not of those who worship Ayman and want to Market His Image as the Smartest of all when He is the opposite.
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Southern/Central Arabian dialect (see ?warkh? used to mean month)
http//www.mnh.si.edu/epigraphy/e_pre-islamic/fig04_sabaean.htm -
Northern Arabian dialect (see ?yarkh? used to mean month)
http//www.islamic-awareness.org/History/Islam/Inscriptions/raqush.html
Also, please note that none of the Pre-Islamic inscriptions mention any of the sectarian months? names.
This is the true Pre-islamic scripts--The Aramic Language Script, The True Bible...Please note the similarities between the ARABIC and ARAMIC
http//3.bp.blogspot.com/_RrFTRNcWhxk/SkWLxor5i1I/AAAAAAAAAPU/H9fqYexKz3c/s400/0626_bible_398w_right_side_up.jpghttp//www.schoyencollection.com/aram-heb-syr_files/ms036.jpg
http//www.barefootsworld.net/images/slotae.gif
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Peace belH,
no not the Bible,
Leaves of Abraham, Torah to Moses, Psalms to David, The Gospel to Jesus, these are what Allah
wants us to be aware of and be concerned about, why, maybe one day we will know.
The Bible contains accounts of the above well after they were revealed, so be careful with your quotes too.
Ayman like you, me, and many others, and because we are in a forum, and not writing in a scientific journal
(though in my view, since we are talking about matters as serious as the Divine, we should be doubly serious),
especially when we get emotional, do not always check out our sources properly, this is called wishful thinking.
Language has nothing to do with ideology, pagan or not, or scripture of it depends on where the tribe in question
acquired the script which they used as a convenient form to convey their spoken tongue.
Abraham is quoted as having spoken chaldeen or sumerian for which there are different scripts which are according
to your definition pagan, because the people of Sumer were pagans. Do not misquote me on this, I am not an expert historian.
You have a misconception that the script of a language defines the religious inclination, or ideology of those who use it, or even their tongue, it does not, just look nowadays around you, jewish persians using arabic scripts, jewish sefarids in the past century using arabic scripts, they were not muslims, same arabic christian catholic who did not use arabic scripts but used latin tongue for their ceremony, etc...
Do not get confused... you cannot say a Pagan language as you cannot say a stupid language, and it has nothing to do with the language in your case, you were referring to the script, as for the language, the same applies, people of different language (ie speaking tongues) can have different ideologies (pagan or not)...
Will you now please become more rational, logical, human