Hot/"ramadan" Answer

ayman

Peace Hope,

Sorry this may be a little off topic, but I am a little curious now to the meaning of 'Kaaba'. If you don't mind can you please explain. Thank you for your continued patients on this thread. May God be pleased with you.

Thank you for your question. In Arabic, the masculine and the feminine have the same meaning but the feminine can add some intensification. The Arabic word "kaab" has the same basic meaning as "kaaba". In Arabic the word "kaab" is used in expressions like "kaab al-wadi" to mean "the base of the valley" and in "kaab al-hithaa" to mean "the base of the shoe". So the word "kaab" essentially means "base". The "base" being a safe place for gathering is a well-known universal concept that everyone understands, including children who play hide and seek. On the other hand, there is nothing inherently safe or condusive to gathering about any cube, no matter how special.

Peace,

Ayman

siki

Peace,
All Ayman alike people have understanding problem. Here is one of them.

The answer to the first question is the earth decide which of its side gets the day and NOT the sun.

The answer to the second question is dark earth, it will get some light from star.

The answer to the third question was already provided. You don't read/understand. See red text below.

It is basically the sun sun which is responsible for creating day and night , earth only helps it self by spreading this evenly.

Does God talk about day and night (in that particular aya )in reference to where you live on globe ?

Moreover what the fuss is all about ? It is a business between sun and the earth, Your friend MOON has got nothing to do with day and night.

siki

hope4

Peace Hope,

Thank you for your question. In Arabic, the masculine and the feminine have the same meaning but the feminine can add some intensification. The Arabic word "kaab" has the same basic meaning as "kaaba". In Arabic the word "kaab" is used in expressions like "kaab al-wadi" to mean "the base of the valley" and in "kaab al-hithaa" to mean "the base of the shoe". So the word "kaab" essentially means "base". The "base" being a safe place for gathering is a well-known universal concept that everyone understands, including children who play hide and seek. On the other hand, there is nothing inherently safe or condusive to gathering about any cube, no matter how special.

Peace,

Ayman

Thank you Ayman for taking time out to answer. Sorry to everyone for going off topic.

Peace

Hope

guest

i'd make to you a tutorial video if only i had time. Because you seem having big problems with plain text !

One more time, please how Old are you ?

You have no knowledge of earth sun moon relationship. Sun produces light, it does not decide who gets the light. Just like if you going to a light shield room. You decided to deprive yourself of sunlight. The earth does the similar think in accordance with Gos's law. Get it. Other wise explain how the sun makes the decision as to who gets the sunlight.

siki

You have no knowledge of earth sun moon relationship. Sun produces light, it does not decide who gets the light. Just like if you going to a light shield room. You decided to deprive yourself of sunlight. The earth does the similar think in accordance with Gos's law. Get it. Other wise explain how the sun makes the decision as to who gets the sunlight.

let me repeat once again,

God talks about day and night in general , Not about the decision regarding who gets the light.

siki

hope4

You have no knowledge of earth sun moon relationship. Sun produces light, it does not decide who gets the light. Just like if you going to a light shield room. You decided to deprive yourself of sunlight. The earth does the similar think in accordance with Gos's law. Get it. Other wise explain how the sun makes the decision as to who gets the sunlight.

Peace Guest

I think you and others are going off topic. The sun, moon and earth do not pick light or anything else. They are bodies in motion. The Earth orbits around the sun. The earth also spins on its axis. The moon orbits the Earth. God created the universe and everything in it and outside of it. I feel there are reasons why the earth orbits the sun, moon orbits the earth and why earth spins on its axis. You can argue that this is a natural cycle which determines our night and day as well as our seasons and calendars. I think most grown up people will know the general motions of these bodies and we can move on to main topic. Thank you. Please do not be offended.

Peace

Hope

unknownuser

You have no knowledge of earth sun moon relationship. Sun produces light, it does not decide who gets the light. Just like if you going to a light shield room. You decided to deprive yourself of sunlight. The earth does the similar think in accordance with Gos's law. Get it. Other wise explain how the sun makes the decision as to who gets the sunlight.

Light determines day and night.

arista

Salam,

rotfl rotfl rotfl brickwall

The answer to the first question is the earth decide which of its side gets the day and NOT the sun and the earth decide which of its gets the night NOT THE MOON.
The answer to the second question is dark earth, it will get some light from star NOT FROM MOON NOT FROM SUN (ouch wait a minute, is it sun also a star? rotfl brickwall brickwall brickwall.

then, where is your moon?

belH

Peace Belal,

This is because you didn't read them carefully.
Read line (iii) 4th word and line (ix) 4th word in Abraha's inscription. (warkh)
Read the sixth line, second word in the Raqush inscription. (yarkh)

Is this what do you call Arabic!!! You have lost your Brain...Can any one tell me if this looks like any writtings of Quran

http//www.mnh.si.edu/epigraphy/figs-stones/x-large/color_xl_jpeg/fig04.jpg

Let us see if Free- Minds Moderators will do something about this

belH

These are Ayman Evidence that Month does not mean Shahar but Warkhan

m a'in d m / gh z w t n / r b a'in t n /
b w r kh n / z th b t n / k f s d w / k l / b n ya a'in m r m

Ma'ndam / Ghazwatn / rab'atan / b'warkhan / Zthbatan /Kafa saadu / kl/ bani amrm

against the tribe of Ma'ad ( in ) the battle of al-Rabiya in the
month of "Dhu al Thabithan" (April) and fight (against) all the (tribes) of Bani A'amir.

If Ayman saying the truth, Why non of the above Words has been used in Quran? Why the style of Writing (The way it looks) is not the same as the Quran?

CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT AYMAN IS MISLEADING YOU.

He knows that Shahar = Month in Arabic...And instead of admitting, he is quoting from Pagan Language that is not related to Arabic

I think I'm 100% that these guys are the followers of some Dark Side, which there main objective is to mislead Humans from God's Path.

belH

Peace Hope,

Thank you for your question. In Arabic, the masculine and the feminine have the same meaning but the feminine can add some intensification. The Arabic word "kaab" has the same basic meaning as "kaaba". In Arabic the word "kaab" is used in expressions like "kaab al-wadi" to mean "the base of the valley" and in "kaab al-hithaa" to mean "the base of the shoe". So the word "kaab" essentially means "base". The "base" being a safe place for gathering is a well-known universal concept that everyone understands, including children who play hide and seek. On the other hand, there is nothing inherently safe or condusive to gathering about any cube, no matter how special.

Peace,

Ayman

So your answer is There is no Hajj nor a Place for Hajj.

If this is true, then I truly mean the following

1091
1092
1093
1094
1095
1096

quickduck

I think I'm 100% that these guys are the followers of some Dark Side, which there main objective is to mislead Humans from God's Path.

So now you share farida's accusations. you're not "out of it " anymore.

Ok, let me put this clear

WE ARE FOLLOWERS OF A DARK SIDE ORGANISATION, AND WE ARE HERE TO MISLEAD HUMANS FROM GOD'S PATH. NOT ALL HUMANS, ONLY THE IDIOTS. SMART PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND FARIDA ALWAYS SEE IT COMING AND AVOID IT. BUT PLEASE, DONT TELL ANYONE AND LET US FINISH OUR JOB, IF WE DONT HIRE AT LEAST 10 IDIOTS PER DAY, WE WILL BE FIRED, AND NO ORGANISATION WILL ACCEPT US ANYMORE IN ANY OTHER JOB.
PLEASE I HAVE A FAMILY TO FEED. DONT RUIN MY LIFE !!!!!

Salam

noble

Peace BelH,
stop being a drama queen, a few spoken languages have been known to change their scripts, even in contemporary times, like
Turkish...
and the Quran was revealed in the arabic tongue, and could be written by the way in any written arabic script...

hope4

WE ARE FOLLOWERS OF A DARK SIDE ORGANISATION, AND WE ARE HERE TO MISLEAD HUMANS FROM GOD'S PATH. NOT ALL HUMANS, ONLY THE IDIOTS. SMART PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND FARIDA ALWAYS SEE IT COMING AND AVOID IT. BUT PLEASE, DONT TELL ANYONE AND LET US FINISH OUR JOB, IF WE DONT HIRE AT LEAST 10 IDIOTS PER DAY, WE WILL BE FIRED, AND NO ORGANISATION WILL ACCEPT US ANYMORE IN ANY OTHER JOB.
PLEASE I HAVE A FAMILY TO FEED. DONT RUIN MY LIFE !!!!!

rotfl Who is darth vader? Who is Luke Skywalker? and I supose the idiots are the storm troopers rotfl jedi
May the force be with you and protect you all from the death star jedi peace

When did this thread get out of hand lol giveup

Peace

Hope

belH

http//www.mnh.si.edu/epigraphy/figs-stones/x-large/color_xl_jpeg/fig04.jpg

Peace,

The above language, which Ayman used to refute that the Arabic meaning of month is Shahar, contains the following words

Begin Quote

w yement / wa r'a rab hamw / Twadam / w thamat / satro / zn / satran / K'ghazow

Ma'ndam / Ghazwatn / rab'atan / b'warkhan / Zthbatan /Kafa saadu / kl/ bani amrm

Wazaki/ malikn/ abjabar / b ainam/ kadat/ wain/ w basharm / bin hasahanm/ bainm

San dam/ wa mardam / wa hadaru/ qadami / jayshan/
alia bani yamram/ kadat/ wail/ b wad /samrakh / wa mardam/ wa sadam/ b wad..

B manhaj / tarban/ w zabahow / wa sarw /
w ghanamw / zaisam / wa makhdah/ malakin/ b halban/ wa danw

Ka zalam/ maidam / wrahanw / wa badanahaw /
nwa sa'aham mw / amram / bin/ mazran.

Wa rahanamw / bin haw / wa sata khalafw / ala/ ma'dam/ wa qafalw/ bin/ hal.

( bi)n / (b) akhayal / rahman / wa rakhaw / zalan / salthany / w sathya/ ws

End Quote

Can anyone, including Ayman and his followers, quote any of the above words in Quran...If you cannot, and you will not, then would this make you feel that Ayman is underestimating your intelligence by claiming that the above language is Authantic Arabic like the Quran Language.

rotfl This is stupidity as it can be... rotfl

belH

Peace BelH,
stop being a drama queen, a few spoken languages have been known to change their scripts, even in contemporary times, like
Turkish...
and the Quran was revealed in the arabic tongue, and could be written by the way in any written arabic script...

Peace,
How long did it take for it to change to this

http//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Qur%27anic_Manuscript_-3-Hijazi_script.jpg/494px-Qur%27anic_Manuscript-3-_Hijazi_script.jpg

That is a quite change between the above and what Ayman posted

http//www.mnh.si.edu/epigraphy/figs-stones/x-large/color_xl_jpeg/fig04.jpg

noble

peace belH
this looks to me like a genealogical tree, so with people's names i need more samples with actual text renderings of actual descriptions
to make a final judgment.
here you are just questioning a pre-islamic exhibit whether it is the arabic tongue or not, right?
regarding the actual logic and rationality of the luni-solar calendar, i believe it is pretty impressive, and can only be divine, not satanic
as you try to suggest.
besides, you call us Ayman followers, but you seem to be a Layth follower regarding other matters? are you not?
i think you are very much emotionally attached to the traditional ramadan mythology, that is why you and those like you defend it
so fiercely, throwing out all kinds of desperate excuses, even going as far as using character assassination, this was a ploy used by disbelievers against Messengers, so you are not in good company, sorry...

err...
now for what i do not accept...
ka'aba in the part of the world i spent my formative years in (sahara desert), in arabic tribal sahraoui, reckoned to be very close to the pure Arabic tongue, ka'aba refers to a swelling, or something that has form/shape, and the rock in the dome of the rock in Jerusalem, together with other clues in the Qur'an fits that very well. (off topic)

belH

peace belH
this looks to me like a genealogical tree, so with people's names i need more samples with actual text renderings of actual descriptions
to make a final judgment.
here you are just questioning a pre-islamic exhibit whether it is the arabic tongue or not, right?

If you truly wants to know what is the pre-islamic arabic, study this--Jesus Language, Aramic.

http//www.syriatourism.org/servers/gallery/19358.jpg

http//sepehr.mohamadi.name/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/aat_table.jpg

unknownuser

Peace Ayman,

So do you think that the god chooses his words in an arbitrary way and that the clear Arabic meaning of the word "ramadhan" doesn't matter. The god could have just as well said "XYZ" or any meaningless label? It is abantantly clear that you cannot understand when "shahr ramadhan" occurs without understanding the key word "ramadhan". This is the minimum required for any understanding.

Perpetual straw-man arguments ? ?so do you think? then overlay your thoughts as being mine. Read context, was responding to your accusation of making fun using the word ?hot? which you use ?scorching? and called this thread Hot/"ramadan".

The first quote is probably an older post of mine. I later realized that there is a difference between "shahad" and "shahad an". The first "shahad" always involves physically witnessing. If you understood my second post then you would have seen that the blind can fast and so can you if it is too cloudy but you wouldn't be obligated to. There is nothing that says that anyone CANNOT fast.

Unlike 2185, where is the word "witness" in the above?

That is issuing a fatwa -- the blind and those in cloudy weather are NOT obligated to fast.

Qur?an has a provision for those not able; e.g. feed the poor or today, had acid indigestion, auto reacted, reached for a glass of water, realized too late and broke my fast; no big deal hope to make it up another day same as a few days missed due to being ?under the weather.?

You refuted and contradicted yourself in countless earlier posts and threads?

According to 2185, fasting is for those who witnessed the scorching full-moon. You didn't witness it so you don't need to make up anything.

Peace,

Ayman

Suggest a re-write a new thread ?Hot/Ramadan II? since this topic is all over the place and cluttered.

See the following example
http//wildlife.state.nh.us/Hunting/hunting_dates_and_seasons.htm

Note that hunting season is in the spring or the fall and winter. There is no hunting at all in the summer.

You changed your mind on this too as you did with hajj (debate/feast) which your current restriction varies approximately from June/July 21 to Sept/Oct 18 depending on the year?

21-Jun
21-Jul
20-Aug
18-Sep
18-Oct

April 25 - 26, 2009 Youth turkey-hunting weekend ? No Protection!
May 3 - May 31 Spring gobbler season (wild turkey) ? No Protection!
Sept. 1 - November 24, 2009 Black bear/end dates vary for method ? No Protection 1-2 months!

Sept. 2009 - Jan. 2010 Waterfowl/dates vary by species and zone ? No Protection 3 months!
Sept. 26-27, 2009 Youth waterfowl weekend (Saturday and Sunday)
Sept. 15 - Dec. 15 Deer/archery ? No Protection 2 months!
Sept. 15 - Dec. 15 Fall turkey/archery ? No Protection 2 months!
Oct. 12 - Oct. 16, 2009 Fall turkey/shotgun (in certain WMUs only); Monday ? Friday
Sept. 2009 - March 2010 Small game/dates vary by species and region ? No Protection!
Oct. 1 - Dec. 31 Pheasant ? No Protection!
Oct. 17 - Oct. 25 Moose (by permit only) ? No Protection!
Oct. 24 - 25 Youth deer-hunting weekend ? No Protection!
Oct. 31 - Nov. 10 Deer/muzzleloader (note -- opens Nov. 2 in WMU A) ? No Protection!
Nov. 11 - Dec. 6 Deer/firearms (note -- closes Nov. 29 in WMU A) ? No Protection!

Also see prior post?

Established is that this is the easiest to refute; taken from the first few posts...

I agree. However, the hunting restriction is not about killing as a sport it is about killing for food. This is why we are told that we can eat seafood and livestock as an alternative.

Absolutely agree, find it appalling the worst of disbelief including the mindless ocean/sea hunting to feed people?s fetishes/appetite for the exotic and renewed my Greenpeace membership today which was doubled by a most generous supporter.

638 And (there is) not from a walker/creeper/crawler (creature) in the earth and nor (a) bird (that) flies with its two wings, except (they are) nations similar/alike/equal to you, We did not neglect in The Book from a thing, then to their Lord they be gathered.

Peace and best wishes,

Holiday/Eid

belH

Peace all,
Here is a study about the Month calculation in the Bible and the Torah (retrieved from http//www.karaite-korner.org/new_moon.shtml)

Please note how the Bible verses are the same as the Quranic (I will highlight in red)
The New Moon
in the Hebrew Bible

The Biblical month begins with the crescent New Moon, also called First Visible Sliver. The Hebrew word for month (Hodesh) literally means New Moon and only by extension the period between one New Moon and the next.

The Rabbanite Midrash relates that when God said to Moses "This month (HODESH) shall be for you the beginning of months" (Ex 12,2) the Almighty pointed up into the heavens at the crescent New Moon and said "When you see like this, sanctify! ". This Rabbinic fairy-tale highlights an important point, namely that the Bible never comes out and says we should determine the beginning of months based on the New Moon. The reason for this is that the term for "Month" (Hodesh) itself implies that the month begins with the crescent New Moon. As will be seen, this would have been obvious to any ancient Israelite present when Moses recited the prophecies of YHWH to the Children of Israel and therefore there was no need to elucidate this concept any more than such terms as "light" or "dark". However, due to the long exile, we have lost the use of Biblical Hebrew in day to day speech. Therefore, we will have to reconstruct the meaning of Hodesh from the usage of the word in the Biblical text using sound linguistic principles.

He Created the Moon for Holidays

There can be no doubt that the biblical Holidays are dependent on the moon. The strongest proof of this is the passage in Ps 104,19 which declares

"He created the moon for Mo'adim "

The Hebrew term Mo'adim is the same word used to describe the Biblical Holidays. Leviticus 23, which contains a catalogue of the Biblical Holidays opens with the statement "These are the Mo'adim of YHWH, holy convocations which you shall proclaim in their appointed times .". So when the Psalmist tells us that God created the moon for Mo'adim he means that the moon was created to determine the time of the Mo'adim of YHWH, that is, the Biblical Holidays.

"Hodesh" Is Related To the Moon

The above verse clearly teaches us that the holidays are related to the moon. But when the Torah was given Ps 104 had not yet been written by the Levitical prophets, and the question still remains of how the ancient Israelites could have known this. The answer is that the Hebrew word for month (Hodesh) itself indicates a connection to the moon. We can see this connection in a number of instances in which Hodesh (month) is used interchangeably with the word "Yerah", the common Biblical Hebrew word for moon, which by extension also means "month". For example

"...in the month (Yerah) of Ziv,
which is the Second month (Hodesh)..." (1Kings 6,1)

"...in the month (Yerah) of Ethanim... which is the Seventh month (Hodesh)..." (1Kings 8,2)

Another proof that Hodesh is related to the moon (Yerah) is the phrase "A Hodesh (month) of days" (Gen 29,14; Nu 11,20-21) which is equivalent to the phrase "A Yerah (month/ moon) of days" (Dt 21,13; 2Ki 15,13). Clearly then Hodesh is related to "Yerah", which itself literally means "moon".

"Hodesh" Means New Moon (Day)

The primary meaning of Hodesh (month) is actually "New Moon" or "New Moon Day" and it is only by extension that it came to mean "month", that is, the period between one New Moon and the next. This primary meaning is preserved in a number of passages such as 1Sam 20,5 in which Jonathan says to David "Tomorrow is the New Moon (Hodesh)". Clearly, in this verse Hodesh is used to refer to the specific day on which the month begins and not the entire month. Another passage which uses Hodesh in its primary sense is Ez 46,1 which talks about "The Day (Yom) of the New Moon (Ha-Hodesh)". Clearly in this verse Hodesh (New Moon) is a specific event and the beginning of the month is the day on which this event (New Moon) occurs.

The Biblical New Moon is the "First Crescent"

"Hodesh" (New Moon), is derived from the root H.D.SH. meaning "new" or "to make new/ renew". The Crescent New Moon is called Hodesh because it is the first time the moon is seen anew after being concealed for several days at the end of the lunar cycle. At the end of the lunar month the moon is close to the sun 1 and eventually reaches the point of "conjunction" when it passes between the Sun and the Earth.2 As a result, around the time of conjunction very little of the moon's illuminated surface faces the Earth and it is not visible through the infinitely brighter glare of the sun. After the moon moves past the sun it continues towards the opposite side of the Earth. As it gets farther away from the sun the percentage of its illuminated surface facing the Earth increases and one evening shortly after sunset the moon is seen anew after being invisible for 1.5-3.5 days. Because the moon is seen anew after a period of invisibility the ancients called it a "New Moon" or "Hodesh" (from Hadash meaning "new&quot.

Crescent New Moon vs. Astronomical New Moon

Many people have been led astray by the inaccurate use in modern languages of the term "New Moon". Modern astronomers adopted this otherwise unused term, which had always referred to the first visible sliver, and used it to refer to conjunction (when the Moon passes between the Earth and the Sun, at which time it is not visible). The astronomers soon realized that the inaccurate use of "New Moon" to refer to conjunction would lead to confusion so to be more accurate scientists now distinguish between "Astronomical New Moon" and "Crescent New Moon". "Astronomical New Moon" means New Moon as the term is used by astronomers, i.e. conjunction. In contrast, "Crescent New Moon" uses the term in the original meaning of the first visible sliver. A good English dictionary should reflect both meanings. For example, the Random House Dictionary of the English Language, Unabridged Edition defines New Moon as "The moon either when in conjunction with the sun or soon after being either invisible or visible only as a slender crescent." (square brackets added by NG).

The Supposed Evidence For "Concealed Moon"

Having been confused by the use of the term New Moon in modern astronomy some people have sought Biblical support for this incorrect meaning of the term. Ps 81,3 is usually cited which says

"Blow on a horn for the Hodesh (New Moon)
On the Keseh (Full Moon) for the Day of our Hag (Feast)."

According to the "Concealed Moon Theory", the term "Keseh" is derived from the root K.S.Y. meaning "to cover" and thus means "covered moon" or "concealed moon". According to this interpretation, when the verse says to blow on a horn on the day of Keseh it actually means " on the day of Concealed Moon". However, the language does not support this argument for the second half of the verse also refers to the day of Keseh as "the day of our Feast (Hag)". In the Bible, Feast (Hag) is a technical term which always refers to the three annual pilgrimage-feasts (Matzot, Shavuot, Sukkot; see Ex 23; Ex 34).3 New Moon Day (Hodesh) is never classified as a "Pilgrimage-Feast" so Keseh/ Hag can not possibly be synonymous with New Moon Day (Hodesh). It has further been suggested that Keseh refers to the Biblical holiday of Yom Teruah (Day of Shouting), which always falls out on New Moon Day. However, the Bible describes Yom Teruah as a Moed (appointed time) and never as a Hag (Pilgrimage-Feast) so Keseh/ Hag can not refer to Yom Teruah either.

What Does Keseh Really Mean?

It is likely that Keseh is related to the Aramaic word "Kista" and the Assyrian word "Kuseu" which mean "full moon" (see Brown-Driver-Briggs p.490b) . This fits in perfectly with the description of Keseh as the day of the Hag since two of the three Pilgrimage-Feasts (Hag HaMatzot and Hag HaSukkot) are on the 15th of the month, which is about the time of the Full Moon!