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    Samia
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    Allaha AAalakulli shay-in qadeerun

    kulli shay-in qadeerun

    The noun / verbal noun related to this meaning is "qudra /power " not "qadr/measure/decree". Each relates to a different verb form of the same root
    Form I yaqdir to be able/ have power
    Form II yugaddir to measure; decide
    Both verbs are used in the qur'aan.

    3639

    And for the moon We have determined / decreed for it phases till it became like an old shrivelled palm-leaf.

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      Meteora
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      ...so it is power? muscle

      I made a fail (

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        nerspi
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        what's so special/important about this night anyway?

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          Meteora
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          God calls it better than...oh crap I'm about to pm Ayman because it says it's better than a 1000 shahr's! o What does shahr mean now?

          And, traditionals due to hadith think praying on this night is as if you prayed a 1000 months straight. LOL.

          I mean this could be the correct understanding but this is nowehere in the Quran.

          It could simply be that God just likes that particular night.

          Peace.

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            nerspi
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            ok i don't know what so special about it.

            but i know what's not. definitely not what hadith say about it. c'mon now. considering how hadith portray god... as some control freak, who wants things to be done so and so and if not .... BAM, hell forever! and on the other hand this same thing they call allah is giving them loopholes, ways to avoid doing things he himself ordered... actually, COMANDED!, by doing something trivial that is somehow of same worth... p-lease... who they kiddin'

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              Meteora
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              Exactly, like marrying up to 4 to be just with orphans and freeing the slave! But no you can do it now if you can afford to and slavery under war is ok, especially enslaving women cuz you can have more seks. nope

              LOL and more lol @ the traditional view that SHAVING THE BEARD is part of Satan's promise to "alter the creation of Allah" BUT CIRCUMCISING MALE AND FEMALE BABIES (i.e. amputating part of their god-given genitalia!) is not and instead it is sunnah!!! rotfl o

              I wish I had my foreskin

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                MUNZIR_ALI
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                I wish I had my foreskin

                me too group

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                  Samia
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                  I would say that the "shahr" in this verse may mean declaration (a version of the original meaning). It's a special night by its own merit that it's better than a 1000 declarations ...
                  (and qadr, meaning measure, best reflects the value of this night)

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                  And they measure not the power of Allah its true measure
                  (this is a good verse to show the meaning of "qadr" as "measure&quot.

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                    maxq
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                    I would say that the "shahr" in this verse may mean declaration (a version of the original meaning). It's a special night by its own merit that it's better than a 1000 declarations ...
                    (and qadr, meaning measure, best reflects the value of this night)

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                    And they measure not the power of Allah its true measure
                    (this is a good verse to show the meaning of "qadr" as "measure&quot.

                    better to demonstrate through a derivative... miQDaaR amount/measure

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                      nerspi
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                      still don't get what's so special about this night...

                      what, are things we do then any better then if wee do it day before, day after, any other day/night...?

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                        Alen
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                        The Power? confused
                        Whose translation is this?

                        Peace,
                        Respectfully.

                        I forgot, sorry but this morning from 0200 to fajr salah, i was praying at the mosque with sunnis and they were all crying. I mean, including the imam who had a mike and he even stopped to wipe the tears. I didn't understand but i think he was performing du'a for some poeple like those in Afghanistan and Iraq as well as for the ones in Palestine and Gaza.
                        Everybody was crying, it was new to me.

                        Peace.

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                          Abdun_Nur
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                          Salaam nerspi,

                          its all based on Surah 97, but it's conventionally translated without using the complete rules of grammar, this is Surah 97 correctly translated,

                          http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/112/144/

                          people love religion and ritual, while they abandon reason and guidance.

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                            afridi220
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                            Peace,
                            Respectfully.

                            I forgot, sorry but this morning from 0200 to fajr salah, i was praying at the mosque with sunnis and they were all crying. I mean, including the imam who had a mike and he even stopped to wipe the tears. I didn't understand but i think he was performing du'a for some poeple like those in Afghanistan and Iraq as well as for the ones in Palestine and Gaza.
                            Everybody was crying, it was new to me.

                            Peace.

                            ;DNothing new a very old drama played on 27th Ramadan to please God so he forgive their sin!

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                              muawiya
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                              Assalamu 'alaikum

                              Regarding Laylat alqadri

                              971 Inna anzalnahu fee laylati alqadri

                              How do we know hu in the above passage means Quran ?
                              Is there any reference?

                              Wassalam
                              Muawiya

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                                afridi220
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                                Assalamu 'alaikum

                                Regarding Laylat alqadri

                                971 Inna anzalnahu fee laylati alqadri

                                How do we know hu in the above passage means Quran ?
                                Is there any reference?

                                Wassalam
                                Muawiya

                                http//www.islamicstudies.info/tafheem.php?sura=97

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                                  hope4
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                                  Peace

                                  Has anyone stated when this night is using the Quran only? Or are we to accept that this night is the 27th day of ramadan? I am sure Lailat ul Qadr was twice this year. Some people started fasting one day earlier so for them Lailat ul Qadr was on tuesday and for those who started one day after it was a wednesday. What is obvious to me is that if muslims could not agree to this night as being a fixed night of the year then they are intepreting something wrong from some source or another. Do we have two nights, one night or does it matter? Either one population is wrong or both.
                                  What I would love to see is a big effort put into archaeology in the middle east to maybe give answers to the falsehood that crept into Islam. Probably wont happen.

                                  Peace

                                  Hope

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                                    Assalamu 'alaikum

                                    Regarding Laylat alqadri

                                    971 Inna anzalnahu fee laylati alqadri

                                    How do we know hu in the above passage means Quran ?
                                    Is there any reference?

                                    Wassalam
                                    Muawiya

                                    Salam,

                                    Good thinking...

                                    What do you think it refers to, if not al quran?

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                                      Samia
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                                      better to demonstrate through a derivative... miQDaaR amount/measure

                                      Thanks. Good point.

                                      Assalamu 'alaikum

                                      Regarding Laylat alqadri

                                      971 Inna anzalnahu fee laylati alqadri

                                      How do we know hu in the above passage means Quran ?
                                      Is there any reference?

                                      Wassalam
                                      Muawiya

                                      Reasonable question.
                                      What else has God descended?
                                      iron 5725
                                      garment 726
                                      But only qur'aan was given a time period for its descent 185

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                                        loli
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                                        Salams all

                                        Lailat ul Qadr is a night special because it is better that than a thousand months. This is because the angels and spirit(Quran) descended with the "Commands" and it ends till the break of dawn(fajr).
                                        The thing is, there is no indication that this shall be an annual event. It has happen in the past and it wont repeat again

                                        salam

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                                          Ashraf
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                                          Lailat ul Qadr is a night special because it is better that than a thousand months. This is because the angels and spirit(Quran) descended with the "Commands" and it ends till the break of dawn(fajr).
                                          The thing is, there is no indication that this shall be an annual event. It has happen in the past and it wont repeat again

                                          Loli,

                                          Seems that this is unique event happen more than 1000 year ago and might not an annual affair. The intensity of brightness of the full moon or other celestial object in conjunction of this night/period is probably 1000 times more powerful than ordinary full moons of other occasions.

                                          Example 1
                                          "On 22 December, 1999, the two effects combined to produce the brightest full Moon of the century"
                                          http//www-istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/stargaze/Smoon3.htm

                                          Example 2
                                          "There is no doubt it would have been a truly dazzling sight. In the spring of 1006, people could probably have read manuscripts at midnight by its light."
                                          http//www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2003/03/07/800470.htm

                                          Probably we can determine the exact year and night when Quran descended. God may leave sign/trace for us to work out

                                          As shown by HST (Hubble Space Telescope) crystal clear images, the scientist can now predict better the age of universe, by understanding past "archeological" evidence by measuring the billion light years celestial objects.

                                          Peace, Ashraf

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