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What if you kill a non-believer?

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    No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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    one of the attributes of God is - is God a believer? Also I could not understand the red part, how come one is a believer and also among the people who are enemies?

    Which verse is this? Also, I think "trust" is a better translation than "belief" for "iman".

    Alif-Meem-Nun = become/feel safe/secure, state of security/safety, trust, become quiet/tranquil in heart/mind, become free of expectation of evil or free of an object of dislike/hatred, promise/assurance of security/safety, become trustful/faithful/confident, to believe/acknowledge it, manifestation of humility/submission.

    I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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      Rev_John
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      Frankly, there was no much mercy in the OT. We don't get in the way of God's real estate dealings and live to talk about. rotfl

      laugh This is true

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        MUNZIR_ALI
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        So that would get me killed? o o

        you will get half killed because you are a christlim (just kiddin) laugh

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          Rami
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          you will get half killed because you are a christlim (just kiddin) laugh

          There is NO SUCH THING. It is either a MUZLIM or INFIDEEEEEELLLLL!

          DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

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            Rev_John
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            There is NO SUCH THING. It is either a MUZLIM or INFIDEEEEEELLLLL!

            DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

            Can't I be an Infalim?

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              MUNZIR_ALI
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              Can't I be an Infalim?

              rotfl I nearly laughed for 2 complete minutes.. rotfl that is funny. bravo

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                afridi220
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                This aya kill all the argument. >(

                you should never harm anyone; as God never likes those who aggress?." (Surat Al-Bakarah 1; 190)
                And for the kind information all here in this country UAE the law of the land is.

                If you kill any one infant women Muslim are non believer accidently or you kill him for any reason you shall pay 200000 DH per head and jail term as decided by the judge.
                police

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                  MUNZIR_ALI
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                  This aya kill all the argument. >(

                  you should never harm anyone; as God never likes those who aggress?." (Surat Al-Bakarah 1; 190)
                  And for the kind information all here in this country UAE the law of the land is.

                  If you kill any one infant women Muslim are non believer accidently or you kill him for any reason you shall pay 200000 DH per head and jail term as decided by the judge.
                  police

                  whats a DH?

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                    yfn123
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                    whats a DH?

                    Probably Dhinar...

                    Anwar Azim

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                      MUNZIR_ALI
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                      Probably Dhinar...

                      Anwar Azim

                      WOW!! OMG! Bon jovi is here.. handshake i'm a fan. handshake

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                        Yosemite
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                        what about them slaves

                        what kind of slave is it

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                          afridi220
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                          what about them slaves

                          what kind of slave is it

                          We are all modern days? slaves especially in this part of world

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                            nerspi
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                            don't see how killing a nonbeliever is any different from killing a believer. so i don't know why such title?
                            anyway, it depends on intentions... for example, in war or selfdefence it's ok to go as far as killing, but in that state our intention, energy's different... yet if one does it out of aggression, hatred, anger... it's different.
                            and these 2 types of energies that go through thebody at the time are completly opposite, so the end result (after this life) will also be different.

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                              Yosemite
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                              We are all modern days? slaves especially in this part of world

                              but then how do i free one of us?

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                                afridi220
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                                but then how do i free one of us?

                                Have you ever heard of bond labour, you can found them in Pakistan, India; they really need help to be freed from their captors.

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                                  Yosemite
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                                  Have you ever heard of bond labour, you can found them in Pakistan, India; they really need help to be freed from their captors.

                                  I see now thanks

                                  but how do i know it's a believeing slave? is there another plausible word other than believing in this verse?

                                  i'll search tomorrow

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                                    afridi220
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                                    I see now thanks

                                    but how do i know it's a believeing slave? is there another plausible word other than believing in this verse?

                                    i'll search tomorrow

                                    Qur'an 2177 Surah Al-Baqarah (The Cow)
                                    It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces to the East and the West; but righteous is he who believeth in Allah and the Last Day and the angels and the Scripture and the Prophets; and giveth his wealth, for love of Him, to kinsfolk and to orphans and the needy and the wayfarer and to those who ask, and to set slaves free; and observeth proper worship and payeth the poor due. And those who keep their treaty when they make one, and the patient in tribulation and adversity and time of stress. Such are they who are sincere. Such are the God fearing.

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                                      Yosemite
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                                      thanks, that was clear and yet short

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                                        493 And it is not for a believer to kill another believer except by accident. And whoever kills a believer by accident, then he shall set free a believing slave, and give compensation to the family; except if they remit it. If he was from a people who are enemies to you, and he was a believer, then you shall set free a believing slave. And if he was from a people between whom you had a covenant, then a compensation to his family, and set free a believing slave. Whoever does not find, then the fasting of two months sequentially as a repentance from God; God is Knowledgeable, Wise.
                                        493 And whoever kills a believer intentionally, then his reward shall be Hell, eternally abiding therein, and God will be angry with him, and curse him, and for him is prepared a great retribution.

                                        What happens if you kill a non-believer? Thats the question. voodoo

                                        Non believers/those from whom we aren't safe, are in danger of death - IS THAT WHAT IT MEANS?

                                        http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume1/00000137.pdf

                                        http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume1/00000138.pdf

                                        http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume1/00000139.pdf

                                        http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume1/00000140.pdf

                                        peace

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                                          Rami
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                                          Non believers/those from whom we aren't safe, are in danger of death - IS THAT WHAT IT MEANS?

                                          http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume1/00000137.pdf

                                          http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume1/00000138.pdf

                                          http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume1/00000139.pdf

                                          http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume1/00000140.pdf

                                          peace

                                          Thanks for these valuable links. The word 'mushrik' is used in contrast to the word 'momin'. And 'mushrik' are OK to kill according to chapter 9. Therefore, momin is sacred life. The difference between a Momin and a Mushrik is the Salat and Zakat. So anyone who doesn't do Salat and Zakat can be killed without penalty.

                                          95 So when the restricted months have passed, then you may kill the Mushriks wherever you find them, and take them, and surround them, and stand against them at every point. If they repent, and hold the Salat and Zakat, then you shall leave them alone. God is Forgiving, Merciful.

                                          Peace.

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