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What if you kill a non-believer?

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    Rev_John
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    This commandment is only for your fellow Israelite. They didn't show any mercy to the inhabitants of Canaan. They took them all out. o

    There is not much mercy shown in any war or conflict.

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      493 And it is not for a believer to kill another believer except by accident. And whoever kills a believer by accident, then he shall set free a believing slave, and give compensation to the family; except if they remit it. If he was from a people who are enemies to you, and he was a believer, then you shall set free a believing slave. And if he was from a people between whom you had a covenant, then a compensation to his family, and set free a believing slave. Whoever does not find, then the fasting of two months sequentially as a repentance from God; God is Knowledgeable, Wise.
      493 And whoever kills a believer intentionally, then his reward shall be Hell, eternally abiding therein, and God will be angry with him, and curse him, and for him is prepared a great retribution.

      What happens if you kill a non-believer? Thats the question. voodoo

      I don't think in this verse means believer. one of the attributes of God is - is God a believer? Also I could not understand the red part, how come one is a believer and also among the people who are enemies?

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        Rami
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        I don't think in this verse means believer. one of the attributes of God is - is God a believer? Also I could not understand the red part, how come one is a believer and also among the people who are enemies?

        Yes, thats a very possible meaning. Some say that 'Momin' means safe or secure in these verses. Therefore, the peaceful citizen you shall not kill.

        Regarding the red part, this is probably a man who joined the believers but his original clan is an enemy to ours. hmm

        Damn, we have to apply these things. We are barely understanding it. D

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          Rami
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          There is not much mercy shown in any war or conflict.

          Frankly, there was no much mercy in the OT. We don't get in the way of God's real estate dealings and live to talk about. rotfl

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            No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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            one of the attributes of God is - is God a believer? Also I could not understand the red part, how come one is a believer and also among the people who are enemies?

            Which verse is this? Also, I think "trust" is a better translation than "belief" for "iman".

            Alif-Meem-Nun = become/feel safe/secure, state of security/safety, trust, become quiet/tranquil in heart/mind, become free of expectation of evil or free of an object of dislike/hatred, promise/assurance of security/safety, become trustful/faithful/confident, to believe/acknowledge it, manifestation of humility/submission.

            I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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              Rev_John
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              Frankly, there was no much mercy in the OT. We don't get in the way of God's real estate dealings and live to talk about. rotfl

              laugh This is true

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                MUNZIR_ALI
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                So that would get me killed? o o

                you will get half killed because you are a christlim (just kiddin) laugh

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                  Rami
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                  you will get half killed because you are a christlim (just kiddin) laugh

                  There is NO SUCH THING. It is either a MUZLIM or INFIDEEEEEELLLLL!

                  DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

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                    Rev_John
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                    There is NO SUCH THING. It is either a MUZLIM or INFIDEEEEEELLLLL!

                    DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

                    Can't I be an Infalim?

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                      MUNZIR_ALI
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                      Can't I be an Infalim?

                      rotfl I nearly laughed for 2 complete minutes.. rotfl that is funny. bravo

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                        This aya kill all the argument. >(

                        you should never harm anyone; as God never likes those who aggress?." (Surat Al-Bakarah 1; 190)
                        And for the kind information all here in this country UAE the law of the land is.

                        If you kill any one infant women Muslim are non believer accidently or you kill him for any reason you shall pay 200000 DH per head and jail term as decided by the judge.
                        police

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                          MUNZIR_ALI
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                          This aya kill all the argument. >(

                          you should never harm anyone; as God never likes those who aggress?." (Surat Al-Bakarah 1; 190)
                          And for the kind information all here in this country UAE the law of the land is.

                          If you kill any one infant women Muslim are non believer accidently or you kill him for any reason you shall pay 200000 DH per head and jail term as decided by the judge.
                          police

                          whats a DH?

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                            yfn123
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                            whats a DH?

                            Probably Dhinar...

                            Anwar Azim

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                              MUNZIR_ALI
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                              Probably Dhinar...

                              Anwar Azim

                              WOW!! OMG! Bon jovi is here.. handshake i'm a fan. handshake

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                                Yosemite
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                                what about them slaves

                                what kind of slave is it

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                                  afridi220
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                                  what about them slaves

                                  what kind of slave is it

                                  We are all modern days? slaves especially in this part of world

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                                    nerspi
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                                    don't see how killing a nonbeliever is any different from killing a believer. so i don't know why such title?
                                    anyway, it depends on intentions... for example, in war or selfdefence it's ok to go as far as killing, but in that state our intention, energy's different... yet if one does it out of aggression, hatred, anger... it's different.
                                    and these 2 types of energies that go through thebody at the time are completly opposite, so the end result (after this life) will also be different.

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                                      Yosemite
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                                      We are all modern days? slaves especially in this part of world

                                      but then how do i free one of us?

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                                        afridi220
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                                        but then how do i free one of us?

                                        Have you ever heard of bond labour, you can found them in Pakistan, India; they really need help to be freed from their captors.

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                                          Yosemite
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                                          Have you ever heard of bond labour, you can found them in Pakistan, India; they really need help to be freed from their captors.

                                          I see now thanks

                                          but how do i know it's a believeing slave? is there another plausible word other than believing in this verse?

                                          i'll search tomorrow

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