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    pcborg
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    Salaam,

    I have dealt with the topic of women covering their head in the Qur'an in depth along with the topic of salaat, my papers can be found on my website, www.detailedquran.com

    if you have any questions then email me from the site.

    Regarding covering the head in prayer per say, there is no mention of it in the qur'an to the best of my knowledge. However if you are out or in public, then you must wear it as part of the guidance of Allah for woman's dress code.

    salaam.

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      Soraya
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      Assalamu Alaykum,
      today while performing my salat fajr, I worn a 3/4 short and a top since when I woke up I wore that and if I would take time to look for proper and decent clothes, am definitely gonna be late for work...My question is Are my salats accepted??

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        TAJ
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        Peace,

        Assalamu Alaykum,
        today while performing my salat fajr, I worn a 3/4 short and a top since when I woke up I wore that and if I would take time to look for proper and decent clothes, am definitely gonna be late for work...My question is Are my salats accepted??

        What has salat got to do with clothes?

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          Soraya
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          Yes that's true..U have cleared my doubts actually.

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            No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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            Assalamu Alaykum,
            today while performing my salat fajr, I worn a 3/4 short and a top since when I woke up I wore that and if I would take time to look for proper and decent clothes, am definitely gonna be late for work...My question is Are my salats accepted??

            That's perfectly fine. If you uphold the salat by yourself, then I'd say that it is up to you what you wear. If you are around others, then you should follow the following guidelines

            2431 Tell the acknowledging women to lower their gaze and guard their private parts, and that they should not show off their attraction except what is apparent thereof, and let them cast their clothes over their cleavage...

            I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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              BornAgain
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              So, based on the discussion so far, wearing a veil is not prescribed in the Quran, but rather in the Bible... All my life, I have been wearing a veil that covers the whole of my body when I salat... It is rather difficult to start praying without one, it has become a habit actually. Will it be a sin to continue praying with veil one, knowing the fact that it is not prescribed in the Quran? I mean, sure it is not prescribed, but it is forbidden to wear one while praying (with cultural and habitual aspects as the reason)?

              Thanks

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                afridi220
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                So, based on the discussion so far, wearing a veil is not prescribed in the Quran, but rather in the Bible... All my life, I have been wearing a veil that covers the whole of my body when I salat... It is rather difficult to start praying without one, it has become a habit actually. Will it be a sin to continue praying with veil one, knowing the fact that it is not prescribed in the Quran? I mean, sure it is not prescribed, but it is forbidden to wear one while praying (with cultural and habitual aspects as the reason)?

                Thanks

                It is not forbidden also and not a bad thing at all until and unless it is forced upon you. police

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                  Layth
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                  Salam,

                  Will it be a sin to continue praying with veil one, knowing the fact that it is not prescribed in the Quran? I mean, sure it is not prescribed, but it is forbidden to wear one while praying (with cultural and habitual aspects as the reason)?

                  As long as you know that it is not a requirement from God, then there is no harm (it becomes a personal choice/preference - just like the foods Jacob forbade for himself).

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                    abdalquran
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                    Salam,

                    How can Jacob forbid anything for himself? He was a nabiy and therefore only judged with Allah's law. Israil is not Jacob. Please read the bible and you'll see the how Jacob got to be renamed israil. There's nothing quranic about it.

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                      Layth
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                      Salam,

                      How can Jacob forbid anything for himself? He was a nabiy and therefore only judged with Allah's law. Israil is not Jacob. Please read the bible and you'll see the how Jacob got to be renamed israil. There's nothing quranic about it.

                      I do not read the bible to understand God's system - we have the Quran which is sufficient as well as overriding.

                      Being a nabi does not mean that a person is receiving divine instruction all the time.

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                        Q_student
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                        Peace,

                        What has salat got to do with clothes?

                        Peace
                        Mashallah
                        Every action and duty has some Etiquettes.
                        What an office has to do with clothes ,you can go naked or in shorts ,No problem.

                        Regards

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                          afridi220
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                          Peace
                          Mashallah
                          Every action and duty has some Etiquettes.
                          What an office has to do with clothes ,you can go naked or in shorts ,No problem.

                          Regards

                          Yes you can if your office is in you private apartment and if there are no cctv cameras. ;D

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                            Q_student
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                            Yes you can if your office is in you private apartment and if there are no cctv cameras. ;D

                            Peace
                            I think it happens in "Pakhtoon Khah"
                            Regards

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                              Ahmad_Bilal
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                              That's perfectly fine. If you uphold the salat by yourself, then I'd say that it is up to you what you wear. If you are around others, then you should follow the following guidelines

                              2431 Tell the acknowledging women to lower their gaze and guard their private parts, and that they should not show off their attraction except what is apparent thereof, and let them cast their clothes over their cleavage...

                              After looking more into that passage, I'm thinking that's not a really good translation of the verse. Firstly, it tells the believing women to lower their gaze and guard their chastity, instructing them to hide (or not make apparent) their beauty. Other passages also tell them not to show their beauty, saying it's like the ignorant people of past times (i.e. Q. 3333). Also, 2431 says "illa ma zahara min-ha"/except what appears thereof. This most likely applies to what it customary for the women to wear, most likely referring to their faces and hands. Therefore, "clothes over their cleavage" is not a good translation of the passage. The word "khimaar" means head-covering. So, when appearing in public, women should cover their heads. I kind of agree with the interpretation by "pcborg" on his website.
                              http//www.detailedquran.com/
                              It makes the most sense on this subject...

                              Now, this is only talking about modesty in public or around other people. So, obviously, in the privacy of your own home, there's no uniform for observing "al-salaat", and people should do what makes them feel most comfortable.

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                                abdalquran
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                                Salam,

                                I do not read the bible to understand God's system - we have the Quran which is sufficient as well as overriding.

                                Agreed. However, with the Quran alone, you can never reason that Israil is Ya'qoob who forbade things for himself. Take a look

                                Quran 393

                                What does the 'torah' have anything to do with Jacob? And where can one find the equivocation that Israil is actually Yaqoob? Your reasoning is from the bible, im sorry to say.

                                Being a nabi does not mean that a person is receiving divine instruction all the time.

                                It's not about recieving divine instruction 'all the time'. It's about making things forbidden for himself outside God's command. Being a nabiy isnt a 9 to 5 job where the guy can go home, get out of his nabiy uniform, break out a six-pack and once a week (although watching football is ok), have poker night with the boys. He's entitled to have his preferences sure, but he's not allowed to make things forbidden outside God's forbiddings. The Nabiy was actually told off for doing this (661-2)

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                                  afridi220
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                                  Peace
                                  I think it happens in "Pakhtoon Khah"
                                  Regards

                                  Yes it can happen their too if your office is their.

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                                    Layth
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                                    Salam,

                                    Agreed. However, with the Quran alone, you can never reason that Israil is Ya'qoob who forbade things for himself. Take a look

                                    Quran 393

                                    What does the 'torah' have anything to do with Jacob? And where can one find the equivocation that Israil is actually Yaqoob? Your reasoning is from the bible, im sorry to say.

                                    Here is why I find Jacob to be Israel

                                    1. According to 393 and 1958, Israel is a person who exsted before the Torah was revealed.
                                    2. According to 512 and 7160, the 'children of Israel' are made-up of twelve tribes/people.
                                    3. According to 124, Jacob had 12 sons.
                                    4. According to 1299, it was Joseph who brought his family and brothers to live in Egypt.
                                    5. According to 2047, the first time we read about the 'children of Israel' is in Egypt where Moses is sent.

                                    As you can see, my conclusion has nothing to do with the bible...just by putting together the clus given to us in the Quran.

                                    It's not about recieving divine instruction 'all the time'. It's about making things forbidden for himself outside God's command. Being a nabiy isnt a 9 to 5 job where the guy can go home, get out of his nabiy uniform, break out a six-pack and once a week (although watching football is ok), have poker night with the boys. He's entitled to have his preferences sure, but he's not allowed to make things forbidden outside God's forbiddings. The Nabiy was actually told off for doing this (661-2)

                                    not so, prophets are human and they can forbid and make mitakes like other humans (see 1267 where Jacob tells his sons to enter in certain mannor, yet in 1268 we are told this makes no difference to the will of God - or, see 661 were the prophet forbids what God made awful just to please his wives). When we are speaking of prophets, that is a state of being, when we are speaking of a messenger, that is a spcific function.

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                                      Wakas
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                                      AB,

                                      I recommend the following
                                      http//misconceptions-about-islam.com/dress-code-women-veil.htm

                                      It smashes the myth of the traditional women's dress code, including headcover.

                                      All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                                        Ahmad_Bilal
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                                        I recommend the following
                                        http//misconceptions-about-islam.com/dress-code-women-veil.htm

                                        It smashes the myth of the traditional women's dress code, including headcover.

                                        Hmmm... hmm Thanks for the link; it's very interesting and informative...

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                                          No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                                          After looking more into that passage, I'm thinking that's not a really good translation of the verse. Firstly, it tells the believing women to lower their gaze and guard their chastity, instructing them to hide (or not make apparent) their beauty. Other passages also tell them not to show their beauty, saying it's like the ignorant people of past times (i.e. Q. 3333). Also, 2431 says "illa ma zahara min-ha"/except what appears thereof.

                                          "...Except what is apparent thereof" shows that women are allowed to show part of their beauty/attraction.

                                          Therefore, "clothes over their cleavage" is not a good translation of the passage. The word "khimaar" means head-covering.

                                          ...and let them draw/set/cast (walyadribna) with their veils/covers (bikhumurihinna) over (AAala) their breasts/bosom (juyoobihinna)...

                                          Putting a HEAD-COVER over the BOSOM doesnt make sense..

                                          The link which Wakas has provided has very good info. Also check out this one http//www.submission.org/dress.html

                                          I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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