Free-Minds.org is another Sect...like Suni and Shia Sects.
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Peace belH
how can i argue with someone who cannot answer to common sense and reason, Allah given abilities to understand the Quran...
and then you threaten with retribution, hell fire, and punishment when I do not agree with you, this is emotional blackmail, worse than slaughter, alfitnatu ashaddu minalakatli, belH you are a criminal... got it...
or you are here to agitate people to get info for your secret masters maybe?... because you play stupid, then you show a lot of cunning, and sometimes i wonder if you are the same person, and you managed already to trick me into giving you a lot of info about myself, but for a spy, you might not be good enough to fool me...
i am very comfortable in my eeman thank you very much...
and it is not in a public forum that i am going to confront a muftin like you...
who are you, what are you, and what is your real purpose here... i think i answered this above already... -
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Tempers are running high and everyone should take a few days off, go visit a park or something. Try Yoga! If the Quran was easy to interpret so many people will not be having this many opinions, there would not be many sects and people will have no need to be wound up and start name calling. Now I am not the moderator or anything so you can ask me to shift if you like but when you try to reason with someone and they do not reason then there is a old saying "I pushed, it pushed not. I pulled it pulled not. So I left it be."
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Hope
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students of Quran... bravo
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Allah damns you and your qareen...
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Here how you should do it
Whoever debates with you in this after the knowledge has come to you, then say Let us call our children and your children, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves, then, let us invoke and make the curse of God upon the liars.
361
362 This is the True Punishment, there is no god except God; and God is the Noble, the Wise.
362May God's Curse be Upon me and My Family if I Lied about God's Words
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Here how you should do it
Whoever debates with you in this after the knowledge has come to you, then say Let us call our children and your children, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves, then, let us invoke and make the curse of God upon the liars.
361
I think that isn't the correct understanding of that verse, IMO the following verse explain the above verse well
http//www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/Surat6_files/6_135.gif
also your understanding of 361 contradicts with the following
http//www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/Surat73_files/73_10.gif
http//www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/Surat15_files/15_85.gifpeace
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Peace
No need for curses brothers. But one should know that impossing ones opinions and translations on others is not going to work. You can only present your findings in the best possible way and leave others to judge and follow the most reasoned. Don't forget you wont be judged collectively, but individually.
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Hope
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Peace all,
I have given my argument/interpretation to the best possible way and others have done the same, its up to readers now to research for themselves and feel good at what they are following. Patients is the key here. May God guide us all in the right path.
Peace
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I think that isn't the correct understanding of that verse, IMO the following verse explain the above verse well
http//www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/Surat6_files/6_135.gif
also your understanding of 361 contradicts with the following
http//www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/Surat73_files/73_10.gif
http//www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/Surat15_files/15_85.gifpeace
Peace RasulHamsa
Any chance of translation in English?
Peace
Hope
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Peace all,
I have given my argument/interpretation to the best possible way and others have done the same, its up to readers now to research for themselves and feel good at what they are following. Patients is the key here. May God guide us all in the right path.
Peace
Peace belH
Thank you.
May God bless you, give you long prosperous life with your family.
peace
Hope
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I think that isn't the correct understanding of that verse, IMO the following verse explain the above verse well
http//www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/Surat6_files/6_135.gif
also your understanding of 361 contradicts with the following
http//www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/Surat73_files/73_10.gif
http//www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/Surat15_files/15_85.gifpeace
Peace,
I wanted to show the proper way of Invoking God's Curse to Nabstr...God's Curse is not granted to any one who asks for, because He is the only one Who Knows those who deliberately make up lies to mislead others. -
Peace RasulHamsa
Any chance of translation in English?
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Hope
6135
7310
1585see different translations
http//www.submission.org/quran/webqt.php -
Peace RasulHamsa
Thank you for the reminder of the verses
6135 Say ?My people, work as you see fit, for I too am working. You
will then know to whom will be the punishment of the Hereafter.
The wicked will not succeed.?7310 And be patient over what they say, and depart from them in a
good manner.1585 And We have not created the heavens and the earth and what is
in between except with the truth. And the Hour is coming, so
overlook their faults gracefully.Key words here is "depart from them in a good manner" and "overlook their faults gracefully". No need for circular debate
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Hope
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Peace,
When I ask to butcher to "E-Qata 2 pound of Meat", He would Cut one 2 Lb piece from the whole Cow (The verb action is one action)...Then the Butcher would ask me by saying "Do you want to "Te-Qatta the piece of Meat" into small pieces (the Verb action would be repeated).
Thus, 5-33 refers to repeating the Action of Cutting in order to cut Legs and Hands, and 5-38 refers to Cut one thing (the Hand/s).
538 is refering to hands so your conclusion is incorrect. There are two different words that you are trying to force into the same meaning...The result of which is what we see here.
And as I told you and everyone who wants to use 12-75 as punishment for Thief, you are promoting "Slavery", because that was the Punishment in 12-75.
The punishment for the thief has always been 538 as has been pointed out many times (not 1275). Yet, rather than try to understand the verse correctly by using the Quran, you are trying to force an erronous interpretation using a very faulty knowledge of Arabic and no cross referenceing to similar verses (tarteel) - this is why 1275 comes up, because students of the Quran understand the need to arrange similar subjects/topics together as suggested by God (734) so as not to be miseld into a wrong interpretation.
Finally, 1275 only has slavery to your mindset (the same mind that wants to force a double amputation for theft!). Joseph held his brother in custody for the alleged theft - he did not own him (slavery is never permitted in the Quran).
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belH salam
invoking Allah's curse on your family is a very foolish thing to do, what have they done to deserve this? even if you phrased it in a very clever way?
you are playing with Allah's words...
no matter there is no way i can lean with you because of your approaches which are very unwise, neither people nor me can respond to your lack of logic and lack of rational arguments, and then be threatened with punishments if we do not do so, in fact you are already cursed, in the way you conduct yourself...
and if i were you, i will leave your family away from your dangerous word games...
you indeed are under the influence of a poweful shaitan qareen, and his wiswass makes you think you are unbeatable and closest to God in understanding...
never mind, i have spent enough energy with you, i have other fish to fry...Here how you should do it
Whoever debates with you in this after the knowledge has come to you, then say Let us call our children and your children, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves, then, let us invoke and make the curse of God upon the liars.
361
362 This is the True Punishment, there is no god except God; and God is the Noble, the Wise.
362May God's Curse be Upon me and My Family if I Lied about God's Words
