Free-Minds.org is another Sect...like Suni and Shia Sects.
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Of course it is to compensate the victim.
Peace,
5-38 punishment has nothing to do with compensating the victim, based on its meaning, as I showed before.Because otherwise what you're suggesting is that the loss is just the victims problem. Who cares? nobody, not even God.
If the stolen items were to be found with the thief, then the victim will collect it. Moreover, the Government can compensate the victims if they choose to...Moreover, God is capable to compensate them.
Do you honestly believe in that? Society will end up suffering much more by crippling someone capable of working than forcing them to re-pay and then keeping an eye on them. Either they will have to continue their wrong ways to make a living, because who wants to hire and employ an obvious thief. And who is looking for a cripple to work at their workshop? that, or society will have to support them and their families.
Today, all criminals are crippled due to their Background Check that is computerized and available for everyone to see.
The idea that harsh punishments have any effect is simpleton and proven wrong by time and history itself, allow me to elaborate China who are in the luxury position not to have to worry about such petty issues as human rights found themselves facing a drug problem. It seemed that a miserable state turns out miserable people with a desire for anything to FUBAR them. So what how did china react? Well they rounded up all the people they could find that used or sold drugs and shot them. This incident is for obvious reasons not very well documented, but what IS well documented is the fact that China still have drug problems. How? what line of punishment or dismembering could be any more harsh or send a clearer signal than how China handled the drug problem? Nothing that I can think of on this side of 1945, but the problem persisted.
I agree, However, God always Knows better.
A society needs to figure out what makes people steal, and if any of those explanations ends at; They had no food and no job was offered them. Well, then society itself is the root-crook like it or not. YOu can punish open greed, but to punish people all ready on their knees, doing things that hurts their own souls merely to survive is plain cruel, misinformed, and simpleton in all it's unholy glory.
I agree with you...moreover, I do not believe that the thieves that are mentioned in 5-38 include those who steal due to the society failure in providing assistance to them in order to help them to fulfill their basic needs (e.g., Food, shelter, Health Care, Job). It is the Solemn duty of the Governed Entity to provide help to their members if peace within the society is their main objective.
Peace
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belH salaam,
the day you and all of us realise that Allah does not need a religion from us, and that Islam is not a religion, we will then make some
progress in Nasri Allahi Warusulihi, get it carved in your head that Deen =/= religion.
religion man made.
Deen Allah system governing the Universes...
imam means leader of man, i was not very good at it, but me and my colleagues founded a mosque in a university, which then got taken over by wahabbis (saudis) because they have money and power...
i still think you are an idiot because you are lost in details and cannot see your purpose on earth... may Allah have pity on you and guide your soul... for now, you are playing a dangerous game of being a fitna here...
as for your boast, it will take far more to raise my blood pressure, but i have a health condition which if anything gets me closer to Allah... -
belH salaam,
the day you and all of us realise that Allah does not need a religion from us, and that Islam is not a religion, we will then make some
progress in Nasri Allahi Warusulihi, get it carved in your head that Deen =/= religion.
religion man made.
Deen Allah system governing the Universes...
imam means leader of man, i was not very good at it, but me and my colleagues founded a mosque in a university, which then got taken over by wahabbis (saudis) because they have money and power...
i still think you are an idiot because you are lost in details and cannot see your purpose on earth... may Allah have pity on you and guide your soul... for now, you are playing a dangerous game of being a fitna here...
as for your boast, it will take far more to raise my blood pressure, but i have a health condition which if anything gets me closer to Allah...Peace,
All I did was translating 5-38 "Word by Word"...and here you go, free-minds.org loyal member started attacking me and calling me a Sectarian and Fitna.
Well, the Truth sometimes makes certain people act like this...And that is why I use the "Words of my Lord " as Bullets to Hunt those who hate the Truth...And in doing so, their Blood System tends to get missed up. But those who Love God's Words, the Bullets becomes Food for their Pure Souls.
May God Make us of Those who Love His Truth.
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Peace belH
how can i argue with someone who cannot answer to common sense and reason, Allah given abilities to understand the Quran...
and then you threaten with retribution, hell fire, and punishment when I do not agree with you, this is emotional blackmail, worse than slaughter, alfitnatu ashaddu minalakatli, belH you are a criminal... got it...
or you are here to agitate people to get info for your secret masters maybe?... because you play stupid, then you show a lot of cunning, and sometimes i wonder if you are the same person, and you managed already to trick me into giving you a lot of info about myself, but for a spy, you might not be good enough to fool me...
i am very comfortable in my eeman thank you very much...
and it is not in a public forum that i am going to confront a muftin like you...
who are you, what are you, and what is your real purpose here... i think i answered this above already... -
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Peace
Tempers are running high and everyone should take a few days off, go visit a park or something. Try Yoga! If the Quran was easy to interpret so many people will not be having this many opinions, there would not be many sects and people will have no need to be wound up and start name calling. Now I am not the moderator or anything so you can ask me to shift if you like but when you try to reason with someone and they do not reason then there is a old saying "I pushed, it pushed not. I pulled it pulled not. So I left it be."
Peace
Hope
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students of Quran... bravo
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Allah damns you and your qareen...
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Here how you should do it
Whoever debates with you in this after the knowledge has come to you, then say Let us call our children and your children, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves, then, let us invoke and make the curse of God upon the liars.
361
362 This is the True Punishment, there is no god except God; and God is the Noble, the Wise.
362May God's Curse be Upon me and My Family if I Lied about God's Words
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Here how you should do it
Whoever debates with you in this after the knowledge has come to you, then say Let us call our children and your children, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves, then, let us invoke and make the curse of God upon the liars.
361
I think that isn't the correct understanding of that verse, IMO the following verse explain the above verse well
http//www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/Surat6_files/6_135.gif
also your understanding of 361 contradicts with the following
http//www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/Surat73_files/73_10.gif
http//www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/Surat15_files/15_85.gifpeace
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Peace
No need for curses brothers. But one should know that impossing ones opinions and translations on others is not going to work. You can only present your findings in the best possible way and leave others to judge and follow the most reasoned. Don't forget you wont be judged collectively, but individually.
Peace
Hope
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Peace all,
I have given my argument/interpretation to the best possible way and others have done the same, its up to readers now to research for themselves and feel good at what they are following. Patients is the key here. May God guide us all in the right path.
Peace
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I think that isn't the correct understanding of that verse, IMO the following verse explain the above verse well
http//www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/Surat6_files/6_135.gif
also your understanding of 361 contradicts with the following
http//www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/Surat73_files/73_10.gif
http//www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/Surat15_files/15_85.gifpeace
Peace RasulHamsa
Any chance of translation in English?
Peace
Hope
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Peace all,
I have given my argument/interpretation to the best possible way and others have done the same, its up to readers now to research for themselves and feel good at what they are following. Patients is the key here. May God guide us all in the right path.
Peace
Peace belH
Thank you.
May God bless you, give you long prosperous life with your family.
peace
Hope
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I think that isn't the correct understanding of that verse, IMO the following verse explain the above verse well
http//www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/Surat6_files/6_135.gif
also your understanding of 361 contradicts with the following
http//www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/Surat73_files/73_10.gif
http//www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/Surat15_files/15_85.gifpeace
Peace,
I wanted to show the proper way of Invoking God's Curse to Nabstr...God's Curse is not granted to any one who asks for, because He is the only one Who Knows those who deliberately make up lies to mislead others. -
Peace RasulHamsa
Any chance of translation in English?
Peace
Hope
6135
7310
1585see different translations
http//www.submission.org/quran/webqt.php