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  4. THE QURAN CONFIRMS: TODAY'S BIBLE IS UNCHANGED

THE QURAN CONFIRMS: TODAY'S BIBLE IS UNCHANGED

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    belH
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    Peace all,
    Please read this article and then let us analyze its content

    http//www.arabicbible.com/islam/bible.htm

    Hopefully we can reach to the Truth about Today's Bible and Torah.

    Looking forward for your valuable Comments.
    Peace

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      Ahmad_Bilal
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      Peace Belal,

      Do you believe that the Biblical "new testament" is the Injiyl spoken of in the Qur'aan?

      Peace,

      Ahmad

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        belH
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        Peace Belal,

        Do you believe that the Biblical "new testament" is the Injiyl spoken of in the Qur'aan?

        Peace,

        Ahmad

        Peace Ahamad,

        I want this thread to be about the Article and not about my understanding or believe...I believe you are a very intelligent person and your comments on the article contents would be very useful to all.
        When commenting, please quote the Part that you will be commenting about.

        Peace

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          Peace all,
          Please read this article and then let us analyze its content

          http//www.arabicbible.com/islam/bible.htm

          Hopefully we can reach to the Truth about Today's Bible and Torah.

          Looking forward for your valuable Comments.
          Peace

          Peace

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          Regards

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            belH
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            Peace

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            Regards

            Peace,

            Here how the author comments on the verse you quoted above (which I agree with his interpretation)

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            But because of their breach of their Covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard They change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the Message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find them - barring a few - ever bent on (new) deceits But forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds) For God loveth those who are kind. (Surah 5, Maida, verse 13)

            The phrase "They change the words from their (right) places" could mean that they tampered with the text of the Book. However, the second possibility, that the true meaning was distorted, not the text itself, (see also Surah 5, Ma'idah, verse 44) will have to be given preference in the light of the wider context (see above) which clearly shows that

            -The unchanged Torah was with the Jews of Muhammad's (p.b.u.h) time. (Surah 5, Al Ma 'idah, verses 43,6

            -It was referred to by the Prophet in matters of dispute. (Surah 3, Ali 'Imran, verse 93)

            In Surah 2, Al Baqarah, verses 75-79 (in verse 75 Jews are listening to the Quran being recited); Surah 4, Al Nisa, verse 46;, the Jews are accused of changing, writing down wrongly, what Muhammad (p.b.u.h) said. After checking all these references it becomes clear that the Torah remained unchanged!

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              Ahmad_Bilal
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              Peace Belal,

              That's fair that we're making this strictly about the article... handshake

              The problem with the article is it's a Christian promotional website. So, every reference it makes to the Qur'aan is mentioned from a Christianized perspective. This presents a problem, since the Qur'aan never directly talks about Christians at all (at least not in a positive light). The Torah has been proven to have been preserved by the Jewish rabbis and scholars, and this isn't really debatable. However, the preservation of the Christian scriptures don't play a part in Islaam... The Qur'aan references the "Injiyl" as the scripture of the "nasara", or Nazarenes. And, contrary to what this article promotes, Nazarenes and Christians are not the same, and the two groups do NOT adhere to the same scriptures. In fact, most Nazarenes adamantly believe that the entire new testament is a forgery (some believe in the authenticity of the writings of Matthew, while rejecting the other writings). Therefore, since the Qur'aan mentions the Nazarenes as the recipients of the "Injiyl", then the Injiyl must be different from the Biblical new testament. From a Nazarene perspective, the new testament's preservation is irrelevant, since none of it actually came from God anyway...

              Peace,

              Ahmad

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                Q_student
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                Peace,

                The phrase "They change the words from their (right) places" could mean that they tampered with the text of the Book. However, the second possibility, that the true meaning was distorted, not the text itself, (see also Surah 5, Ma'idah, verse 44) will have to be given preference in the light of the wider context (see above) which clearly shows that

                Would you please let us know where does it say that "text was not changed" ?
                Thanks
                Regards

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                  MUNZIR_ALI
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                  Peace all,
                  Please read this article and then let us analyze its content

                  http//www.arabicbible.com/islam/bible.htm

                  Hopefully we can reach to the Truth about Today's Bible and Torah.

                  Looking forward for your valuable Comments.
                  Peace

                  Nice article. But itsn't very convincing.

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                    jibreel
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                    that is a silly article. I get the sense that the author treats the Bible as if it was a single book. The bible is a collection of books and at least 40 distinct writers can be observed through its pages.

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                      "The author lovingly pleads with you to pray to God to reveal to you who Jesus really is!"

                      Arabic Christians really scare me.

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                        belH
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                        Peace all,
                        I will promptly reply but after reading more comments...I want to draw your attention to the author Logic when saying

                        Muslims and Christians believe in the infallibility of the original Biblical manuscripts. But many adherents of Islam think that today's Bible has undergone substantial changes with regard to its early manuscripts and their translated versions. However, the Quran does not support this claim unanimously! In fact it makes it clear that the Bible, known as the Torah and the Injil, was found reliable in Muhammad's (p.b.u.h) time, the sixth century. To prove that the twentieth century Bible is still authentic it only has to be compared with a copy from the sixth century.

                        Peace

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                          Q_student
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                          Peace all,
                          I will promptly reply but after reading more comments...I want to draw your attention to the author Logic when saying

                          Muslims and Christians believe in the infallibility of the original Biblical manuscripts. But many adherents of Islam think that today's Bible has undergone substantial changes with regard to its early manuscripts and their translated versions. However, the Quran does not support this claim unanimously! In fact it makes it clear that the Bible, known as the Torah and the Injil, was found reliable in Muhammad's (p.b.u.h) time, the sixth century. To prove that the twentieth century Bible is still authentic it only has to be compared with a copy from the sixth century.

                          Peace

                          Peace

                          Even if we accept it was not distorted at the time of revelation of the Quran. What is the evidence that it was not distorted later? What is the reason for so many versions of bible? Are all of them true ?
                          Regards
                          Regards

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                            hope4
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                            Peace

                            This might help 101 contradictions in the Bible

                            http//www.ipci.co.za/frameset.asp

                            Peace

                            Hope

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                              Peace

                              This might help 101 contradictions in the Bible

                              http//www.ipci.co.za/frameset.asp

                              Peace

                              Hope

                              Maybe I missed it, but I could not find 101 contradictions on this link

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                                nsws1988
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                                Maybe I missed it, but I could not find 101 contradictions on this link

                                near the bottom, on the right

                                use ctrl+f and search for contradictions

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                                  unknownuser
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                                  near the bottom, on the right

                                  use ctrl+f and search for contradictions

                                  offtopic

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                                    nsws1988
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                                    fftopic

                                    actually i kindly helped rev john find the article, which is the same topic of this thread
                                    there was no need for that fftopic

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                                      Rev_John
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                                      actually i kindly helped rev john find the article, which is the same topic of this thread
                                      there was no need for that fftopic

                                      Thank you, I will try again

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                                        Ahmad_Bilal
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                                        Peace Belal,

                                        I will promptly reply but after reading more comments...I want to draw your attention to the author Logic when saying

                                        Muslims and Christians believe in the infallibility of the original Biblical manuscripts. But many adherents of Islam think that today's Bible has undergone substantial changes with regard to its early manuscripts and their translated versions. However, the Quran does not support this claim unanimously! In fact it makes it clear that the Bible, known as the Torah and the Injil, was found reliable in Muhammad's (p.b.u.h) time, the sixth century. To prove that the twentieth century Bible is still authentic it only has to be compared with a copy from the sixth century.

                                        Again, like I previously mentioned, this is FALSE. The author of that article bases his views on the idea that the "Injiyl" is the "new testament", which is totally wrong. When it refers to the scriptures of the people, the Qur'aan implies that the Jews study the Torah, while the Nazarenes study the Injiyl. In fact, it even states that Jews and Nazarenes follow the "same book", and this is because the Nazarenes are still bound by the Torah... Christians are never mentioned (positively) in the Qur'aan, and therefore, the collection of Christian scriptures is not accepted as revealed or inspired scripture by the Qur'aan. In other words, the Injiyl and the "new testament" are two completely different writings...

                                        The Christian Bible canon may have also been preserved during the time of Muhammad, as have many of their ideologies. However, all of these sources have been refuted in the Qur'aan (i.e. virgin birth, divinity of Jesus, Trinitarian godhead, atonement for sins, etc.)...

                                        Peace,

                                        Ahmad

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                                          MUNZIR_ALI
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                                          fftopic

                                          fftopic fftopic fftopic fftopic fftopic

                                          You dislike when someone helps another person? ???

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