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THE QURAN CONFIRMS: TODAY'S BIBLE IS UNCHANGED

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    belH
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    Peace all,
    I will promptly reply but after reading more comments...I want to draw your attention to the author Logic when saying

    Muslims and Christians believe in the infallibility of the original Biblical manuscripts. But many adherents of Islam think that today's Bible has undergone substantial changes with regard to its early manuscripts and their translated versions. However, the Quran does not support this claim unanimously! In fact it makes it clear that the Bible, known as the Torah and the Injil, was found reliable in Muhammad's (p.b.u.h) time, the sixth century. To prove that the twentieth century Bible is still authentic it only has to be compared with a copy from the sixth century.

    Peace

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      Q_student
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      Peace all,
      I will promptly reply but after reading more comments...I want to draw your attention to the author Logic when saying

      Muslims and Christians believe in the infallibility of the original Biblical manuscripts. But many adherents of Islam think that today's Bible has undergone substantial changes with regard to its early manuscripts and their translated versions. However, the Quran does not support this claim unanimously! In fact it makes it clear that the Bible, known as the Torah and the Injil, was found reliable in Muhammad's (p.b.u.h) time, the sixth century. To prove that the twentieth century Bible is still authentic it only has to be compared with a copy from the sixth century.

      Peace

      Peace

      Even if we accept it was not distorted at the time of revelation of the Quran. What is the evidence that it was not distorted later? What is the reason for so many versions of bible? Are all of them true ?
      Regards
      Regards

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        hope4
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        Peace

        This might help 101 contradictions in the Bible

        http//www.ipci.co.za/frameset.asp

        Peace

        Hope

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          Rev_John
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          Peace

          This might help 101 contradictions in the Bible

          http//www.ipci.co.za/frameset.asp

          Peace

          Hope

          Maybe I missed it, but I could not find 101 contradictions on this link

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            nsws1988
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            Maybe I missed it, but I could not find 101 contradictions on this link

            near the bottom, on the right

            use ctrl+f and search for contradictions

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              unknownuser
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              near the bottom, on the right

              use ctrl+f and search for contradictions

              offtopic

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                nsws1988
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                fftopic

                actually i kindly helped rev john find the article, which is the same topic of this thread
                there was no need for that fftopic

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                  Rev_John
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                  actually i kindly helped rev john find the article, which is the same topic of this thread
                  there was no need for that fftopic

                  Thank you, I will try again

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                    Ahmad_Bilal
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                    Peace Belal,

                    I will promptly reply but after reading more comments...I want to draw your attention to the author Logic when saying

                    Muslims and Christians believe in the infallibility of the original Biblical manuscripts. But many adherents of Islam think that today's Bible has undergone substantial changes with regard to its early manuscripts and their translated versions. However, the Quran does not support this claim unanimously! In fact it makes it clear that the Bible, known as the Torah and the Injil, was found reliable in Muhammad's (p.b.u.h) time, the sixth century. To prove that the twentieth century Bible is still authentic it only has to be compared with a copy from the sixth century.

                    Again, like I previously mentioned, this is FALSE. The author of that article bases his views on the idea that the "Injiyl" is the "new testament", which is totally wrong. When it refers to the scriptures of the people, the Qur'aan implies that the Jews study the Torah, while the Nazarenes study the Injiyl. In fact, it even states that Jews and Nazarenes follow the "same book", and this is because the Nazarenes are still bound by the Torah... Christians are never mentioned (positively) in the Qur'aan, and therefore, the collection of Christian scriptures is not accepted as revealed or inspired scripture by the Qur'aan. In other words, the Injiyl and the "new testament" are two completely different writings...

                    The Christian Bible canon may have also been preserved during the time of Muhammad, as have many of their ideologies. However, all of these sources have been refuted in the Qur'aan (i.e. virgin birth, divinity of Jesus, Trinitarian godhead, atonement for sins, etc.)...

                    Peace,

                    Ahmad

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                      MUNZIR_ALI
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                      fftopic

                      fftopic fftopic fftopic fftopic fftopic

                      You dislike when someone helps another person? ???

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                        Sorry if this is also a bit off-topic, but I can't understand how Sura 19 does not support the virgin birth?

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                          Ahmad_Bilal
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                          Sorry if this is also a bit off-topic, but I can't understand how Sura 19 does not support the virgin birth?

                          Contrary to popular opinion, sura 19 of the Qur'aan does not support the idea of the virgin birth. This is a preconceived notion that was derived from a knowledge of Christianity... If you'd never heard of the idea regarding a virgin birth, and you'd never been confronted with the Christian idea of the "Virgin Mary", and the first story you'd ever heard about Mary or Jesus was from the Qur'aan, would you interpret sura 19 as saying that Jesus had no father? Or would you interpret it as saying that he was a human like all other humans, conceived the same way all humans are conceived?

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                            Rami
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                            The Quran is closer to the NT than the OT.

                            -Good works
                            -Charity
                            -No burnt offerings
                            -Prayer
                            -Afterlife
                            -Jesus the Messiah
                            -No death penalties

                            Islam is a form of adjusted Christianity!

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                              Ahmad_Bilal
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                              The Quran is closer to the NT than the OT.

                              -Good works
                              -Charity
                              -No burnt offerings
                              -Prayer
                              -Afterlife
                              -Jesus the Messiah
                              -No death penalties

                              Islam is a form of adjusted Christianity!

                              These things make it closer to the NT than the Tanakh?!

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                                Rami
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                                These things make it closer to the NT than the Tanakh?!

                                To be honest...YES!

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                                  Rev_John
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                                  actually i kindly helped rev john find the article, which is the same topic of this thread
                                  there was no need for that fftopic

                                  I read it, I like it. bravo

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                                    hope4
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                                    I read it, I like it. bravo

                                    Peace Rev.John

                                    You should like it, as it confirms a lot of what you say

                                    Peace

                                    Hope

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                                      belH
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                                      The Christian Bible canon may have also been preserved during the time of Muhammad, as have many of their ideologies. However, all of these sources have been refuted in the Qur'aan (i.e. virgin birth, divinity of Jesus, Trinitarian godhead, atonement for sins, etc.)...

                                      Peace,

                                      Ahmad

                                      Peace Ahamed,

                                      It is indisputable that The Quran confirms The Virgin Birth of Jesus. Here where we argued about

                                      http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16187.0

                                      Moreover, Please quote from the Bible where it Talks about divinity of Jesus, Trinitarian godhead, atonement for sins.

                                      Maybe we can discover error in the Translation.

                                      Peace

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                                        Ahmad_Bilal
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                                        To be honest...YES!

                                        Okay, if you say so... )

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                                          Ahmad_Bilal
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                                          It is indisputable that The Quran confirms The Virgin Birth of Jesus.

                                          Is this a typo, or did you mean to say this? How does the Qur'aan "undisputably" confirm the virgin births? If anything, that thread clearly proves, from the Qur'aan, that the virgin birth concept is a myth, not a reality.

                                          Moreover, Please quote from the Bible where it Talks about divinity of Jesus, Trinitarian godhead, atonement for sins.

                                          I don't think they're translation errors, bro. Some of them may be, but others clearly mention modern Christian ideologies, which are refuted by the Qur'aan. For example
                                          (1) Jesus' death and atonement for mankind's sins (1 Corinthians 153, 4)
                                          (2) Jesus' divinity and personal authority (John 11-4; Philippians 26, 7)
                                          (3) Trinitarian Godhead (1 John 57)

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