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  4. THE QURAN CONFIRMS: TODAY'S BIBLE IS UNCHANGED

THE QURAN CONFIRMS: TODAY'S BIBLE IS UNCHANGED

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    Ahmad_Bilal
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    Peace Belal,

    I will promptly reply but after reading more comments...I want to draw your attention to the author Logic when saying

    Muslims and Christians believe in the infallibility of the original Biblical manuscripts. But many adherents of Islam think that today's Bible has undergone substantial changes with regard to its early manuscripts and their translated versions. However, the Quran does not support this claim unanimously! In fact it makes it clear that the Bible, known as the Torah and the Injil, was found reliable in Muhammad's (p.b.u.h) time, the sixth century. To prove that the twentieth century Bible is still authentic it only has to be compared with a copy from the sixth century.

    Again, like I previously mentioned, this is FALSE. The author of that article bases his views on the idea that the "Injiyl" is the "new testament", which is totally wrong. When it refers to the scriptures of the people, the Qur'aan implies that the Jews study the Torah, while the Nazarenes study the Injiyl. In fact, it even states that Jews and Nazarenes follow the "same book", and this is because the Nazarenes are still bound by the Torah... Christians are never mentioned (positively) in the Qur'aan, and therefore, the collection of Christian scriptures is not accepted as revealed or inspired scripture by the Qur'aan. In other words, the Injiyl and the "new testament" are two completely different writings...

    The Christian Bible canon may have also been preserved during the time of Muhammad, as have many of their ideologies. However, all of these sources have been refuted in the Qur'aan (i.e. virgin birth, divinity of Jesus, Trinitarian godhead, atonement for sins, etc.)...

    Peace,

    Ahmad

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      fftopic

      fftopic fftopic fftopic fftopic fftopic

      You dislike when someone helps another person? ???

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        Sorry if this is also a bit off-topic, but I can't understand how Sura 19 does not support the virgin birth?

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          Sorry if this is also a bit off-topic, but I can't understand how Sura 19 does not support the virgin birth?

          Contrary to popular opinion, sura 19 of the Qur'aan does not support the idea of the virgin birth. This is a preconceived notion that was derived from a knowledge of Christianity... If you'd never heard of the idea regarding a virgin birth, and you'd never been confronted with the Christian idea of the "Virgin Mary", and the first story you'd ever heard about Mary or Jesus was from the Qur'aan, would you interpret sura 19 as saying that Jesus had no father? Or would you interpret it as saying that he was a human like all other humans, conceived the same way all humans are conceived?

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            The Quran is closer to the NT than the OT.

            -Good works
            -Charity
            -No burnt offerings
            -Prayer
            -Afterlife
            -Jesus the Messiah
            -No death penalties

            Islam is a form of adjusted Christianity!

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              Ahmad_Bilal
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              The Quran is closer to the NT than the OT.

              -Good works
              -Charity
              -No burnt offerings
              -Prayer
              -Afterlife
              -Jesus the Messiah
              -No death penalties

              Islam is a form of adjusted Christianity!

              These things make it closer to the NT than the Tanakh?!

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                Rami
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                These things make it closer to the NT than the Tanakh?!

                To be honest...YES!

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                  Rev_John
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                  actually i kindly helped rev john find the article, which is the same topic of this thread
                  there was no need for that fftopic

                  I read it, I like it. bravo

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                    hope4
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                    I read it, I like it. bravo

                    Peace Rev.John

                    You should like it, as it confirms a lot of what you say

                    Peace

                    Hope

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                      The Christian Bible canon may have also been preserved during the time of Muhammad, as have many of their ideologies. However, all of these sources have been refuted in the Qur'aan (i.e. virgin birth, divinity of Jesus, Trinitarian godhead, atonement for sins, etc.)...

                      Peace,

                      Ahmad

                      Peace Ahamed,

                      It is indisputable that The Quran confirms The Virgin Birth of Jesus. Here where we argued about

                      http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16187.0

                      Moreover, Please quote from the Bible where it Talks about divinity of Jesus, Trinitarian godhead, atonement for sins.

                      Maybe we can discover error in the Translation.

                      Peace

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                        Ahmad_Bilal
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                        To be honest...YES!

                        Okay, if you say so... )

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                          Ahmad_Bilal
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                          It is indisputable that The Quran confirms The Virgin Birth of Jesus.

                          Is this a typo, or did you mean to say this? How does the Qur'aan "undisputably" confirm the virgin births? If anything, that thread clearly proves, from the Qur'aan, that the virgin birth concept is a myth, not a reality.

                          Moreover, Please quote from the Bible where it Talks about divinity of Jesus, Trinitarian godhead, atonement for sins.

                          I don't think they're translation errors, bro. Some of them may be, but others clearly mention modern Christian ideologies, which are refuted by the Qur'aan. For example
                          (1) Jesus' death and atonement for mankind's sins (1 Corinthians 153, 4)
                          (2) Jesus' divinity and personal authority (John 11-4; Philippians 26, 7)
                          (3) Trinitarian Godhead (1 John 57)

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                            Rev_John
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                            Peace Rev.John

                            You should like it, as it confirms a lot of what you say

                            Peace

                            Hope

                            Yes it does, I will be using some of it on Sunday.

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                              hope4
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                              Yes it does, I will be using some of it on Sunday.

                              OMG I hope they don't get aggressive, some of my christian friends were very hostile when I pointed it out to them. Did you read the one on swine? LEVITICUS 118 and MARK 513

                              Peace

                              Hope

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                                OMG I hope they don't get aggressive, some of my christian friends were very hostile when I pointed it out to them. Did you read the one on swine? LEVITICUS 118 and MARK 513

                                Peace

                                Hope

                                No, they will be fine with it, in fact I think most will laugh.

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                                  hope4
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                                  No, they will be fine with it, in fact I think most will laugh.

                                  What a shame I would have liked to be there.

                                  Peace

                                  Hope

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                                    Rev_John
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                                    What a shame I would have liked to be there.

                                    Peace

                                    Hope

                                    You will always be welcome

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                                      hope4
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                                      You will always be welcome

                                      Peace Rev.John

                                      Thank you for your kind offer. Its good to know people like you are still around. May God bless you. peace

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                                        Rev_John
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                                        Peace Rev.John

                                        Thank you for your kind offer. Its good to know people like you are still around. May God bless you. peace

                                        Thank you, and you too.

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                                          belH
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                                          (1) Jesus' death and atonement for mankind's sins (1 Corinthians 153, 4)
                                          (2) Jesus' divinity and personal authority (John 11-4; Philippians 26, 7)
                                          (3) Trinitarian Godhead (1 John 57)

                                          Peace,
                                          I do not see these mentioned Books Here

                                          http//www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/Hebrew_Index.htm

                                          Can these Books be Man made Books, as the Hadith and the Talmud?

                                          Peace

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