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Free-Minds.org is another Sect...like Suni and Shia Sects.

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    noble
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    thanks at least you made me laugh this time
    i was quite depressed
    your comment is a bit like those spoof horror movies ;D
    but still you do need psychiatric help you know that, lithium maybe? an anti-psychotic too...
    get well soon

    Peace,

    OK, when someone is kidnapped and forcefully removed one of his kidneys and sold it to rich people for profit and transplant in another person. This is stealing human organs. In this case, what is your punishment?

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      Make a coffee for yourself, sit down and relax - that's what you need the most right now, instead of coming up with these crazy theft theories!

      I will even make the scenario more interesting for you. The thief cuts off the kidnapped persons hands off (two of them). Then what do you do to this thief?

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        guest
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        #513

        thanks at least you made me laugh this time
        i was quite depressed
        your comment is a bit like those spoof horror movies ;D
        but still you do need psychiatric help you know that, lithium maybe? an anti-psychotic too...
        get well soon

        Peace professor Nabster,

        Human organ stealing is going on in the third world countries. This is not just a horror movies anymore.

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          noble
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          rotfl rotfl rotfl
          dude are you into gory stuff or what...
          laugh
          here in the UK some feral youth will stab you just because you look at them the "wrong" way...
          i am for the return of capital punishment, but you know why there is no capital punishment in so many
          western countries now ...
          let us see if you are that bright Mr guest...

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            No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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            I will even make the scenario more interesting for you. The thief cuts off the kidnapped persons hands off (two of them). Then what do you do to this thief?

            nope I recommend you to get some help - I'm worried about you.

            Anyways, the crime then becomes theft, kidnapping and mayhem, hence we cannot apply the punishment described in 538.

            I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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              noble
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              and grievous bodily harm (uk term)
              i don't think taking away someone's organs can be considered as theft though...

              nope I recommend you to get some help - I'm worried about you.

              Anyways, the crime then becomes theft, kidnapping and mayhem, hence we cannot apply the punishment described in 538.

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                herbman
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                I will even make the scenario more interesting for you. The thief cuts off the kidnapped persons hands off (two of them). Then what do you do to this thief?

                I would say an eye for an eye, and teeth for teeth rotfl

                Actually it apply perfectly to the example you mentioned )

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                  noble
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                  yep we are in agreement, qasas it is, an eye for an eye, so hands cut off, and kidney given back or taken off + compensation for pain inflicted (but all this still has nothing to do with theft btw)...
                  538 in my understanding is theft of inanimate objects... the taking of hostages is dealt elsewhere I would have thought...

                  I would say an eye for an eye, and teeth for teeth rotfl

                  Actually it apply perfectly to the example you mentioned )

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                    If I would go by the Quran under a muslim state, I would cut from his resources, since I cannot cut his three or more hands.

                    Please define ?his resources?. And don?t forget the option when the thief has no other resource except his mind and body. Now, don?t let me wait for the definition too long. As for the ?three or more hands?, that is your fabrication or your adaption of someone else?s fabrication.

                    The way you talk about thiefs is pretty harsh. Judging by your mindset it is not unusual to see you wanting to chop off his hands. God, on the other hand, is forgiving and compassionate

                    You forgot the most important attributes of the God JUSTICE (best)

                    539 Whoever repents after his wrongdoing, and reforms, then God will accept his repentance. God is Forgiving, Compassionate.

                    I have already explained 539; perhaps you don?t want to take heed.
                    For the disbeliever humiliation in this world and far worst waits for them in the hereafter. If they (thief) reform after the hands has been cut off then they don?t suffer the far worst in the hereafter.

                    BTW, your question "would you like to be his friend?" is irrelevant, and shows that you should never think of becoming a judge. It also shows that you go by your feelings, rather than the law and case at hand.

                    Likewise you should not write about the God. You are a misleader.

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                      rotfl rotfl rotfl
                      dude are you into gory stuff or what...
                      laugh
                      here in the UK some feral youth will stab you just because you look at them the "wrong" way...
                      i am for the return of capital punishment, but you know why there is no capital punishment in so many
                      western countries now ...
                      let us see if you are that bright Mr guest...

                      Because they are disbeliever like you and don't follow the Quran.

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                        belH
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                        Peace all, Peace BelH,

                        to BelH,

                        what about if the muslim "judge" applying 538 make a mistake?

                        regards

                        Peace,

                        It shall be no Doubt when convicting anyone with a Crime...This is God's Rule.

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                          guest
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                          nope I recommend you to get some help - I'm worried about you.

                          Anyways, the crime then becomes theft, kidnapping and mayhem, hence we cannot apply the punishment described in 538.

                          In other words, your theory does not hold up for this theft case.

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                            nimnimak_11
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                            Peace,

                            The answer is very simple. You use your heart, reason and logic which equates to the innermost thought to find God and the Quran. After that you ?hear and obey?. Your dilemma is you haven?t fully accepted the God (Allah) and the Quran yet.

                            peace

                            hmm

                            I'm not sure i understand you.
                            Are you saying that those faculties are only there to reach God and the Quran and then afterwards "hear and obey"?
                            Are you suggesting that after that there is no use for them?

                            I think your dilema is that you havn't put your full trust in God (Your designer and creator) yet.

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                              guest
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                              538 in my understanding is theft of inanimate objects... the taking of hostages is dealt elsewhere I would have thought...

                              Then stealing expensive live plants from a store is NOT STEALING. This is immature thinking.

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                                nimnimak_11
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                                peace

                                Guest

                                And what will you call them after you find them to be true thieves?

                                I think it would be more righteous and better in the sight of God to just call them a "theif"

                                Can i just ask what do you mean by true theif?

                                and also

                                A man in a third world country steals some fruit or money from a store. what should be his punishment?

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                                  noble
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                                  Really, a cursed individual like you calling me a disbeliever, i am really touched...
                                  So where are you, venting your fury in front of a computer screen...
                                  What participation to this ummah have you brought or are you bringing that is
                                  making any iota of difference if you are as good as you seem to imply, and if your innermost
                                  thoughts are giving you the infallible answers that centuries of gloom the Scholars of Islam
                                  have not been able to resolve.
                                  Tell me guest, what is your solution to lift the curse of Allah on the Ummah for which now
                                  "musibataha fidiniha"...
                                  And since you are so prestigious and knowledgeable why are you hiding behind the most
                                  vulgar of nicks "guest" not even wanting to show an inkling of your id?
                                  Who are you scared of?
                                  I personally have been condemned to death by some jihadi groups, members idiots like you who think
                                  they know it all and who are ready to squander their lives for the sake of Satan.
                                  You are no better, in fact you are worse, because you are a coward who hides behind a nick and
                                  snipes with stupid words in forums with a cup of tea at his side.
                                  You are not here to teach, you are not here to learn, you just come and aggravate peeps not even with
                                  proper muslim manners...
                                  You, belH, and the likes of you make me sick really...
                                  If for you this is jihad, let me give you glad tidings that, Allah willing, it is not accepted, and is turned as torment
                                  against you instead of reward, because you are here for point scoring, not to help and teach... yes, this is what my innermost thoughts are telling me...
                                  Begone with you...
                                  Of course the mods are right to warn you of a permanent ban, you behave like a pest...

                                  Because they are disbeliever like you and don't follow the Quran.

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                                    Rev_John
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                                    Because they are disbeliever like you and don't follow the Quran.

                                    So everyone in the UK and the west are "nonbelievers"? rotfl That is a broad statement to make. I hope you can substantiate it.

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                                      nimnimak_11
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                                      Because they are disbeliever like you and don't follow the Quran.

                                      nope

                                      what makes you think he is a kafir and what makes you think your not a kafir?
                                      That's a strong accusation to make. You need to be careful.

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                                        guest
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                                        Tell me guest, what is your solution to lift the curse of Allah on the Ummah for which now
                                        "musibataha fidiniha"...

                                        Very simple, implementating God's law will lift the curse of Allah.

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                                          guest
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                                          So everyone in the UK and the west are "nonbelievers"? rotfl That is a broad statement to make. I hope you can substantiate it.

                                          No. This a possible answer to the question. That's all.

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