You think deleting 2 verses is bad enough...
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As wrote Miracle is not learning but witnessing by understanding it. Is designed like those stars in sky not falling according to their design. Can we deny existence of them because we do not know formula. I see that you are not ready to witness MIRACLE when asking for formula.
Have you had any resposne for such question in your topic?
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598301.msg201036#msg201036
Peace.
PS they can forge another Quran but never can have such embedded Miracle.What miracle? There's Christians who would say the same thing about the Bible...it's just playing with numbers.
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What miracle?
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As a thinker you should be more craeful with such statement.
Have you ever studied this file?There's Christians who would say the same thing about the Bible...it's just playing with numbers
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As a thinker you may show detail of Bible code which is nothing compared to Code 19 and compare it to Miracle of Quran. If you can not understand either code and what are based on then you are wasting time of readers participating in a discussion not having enough knowledge.
I would be happy to assit you for any question but please stay away from Miracle topics up to time you can have your own opinion and comments like those taht Ayman and his frien Eid,Abadallah, Hiliday.........ids
The best thing is may you search for thier topic and find how they are locked into thier own confusion. They can fool poeple with no knowledge of Miracle but not those that understand and witness it. )
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I know whether or not I am ready. Stop pretending that you know me.
We know each other by our posts here and if we are honest then we can see reflection of our environment over our opinion.peace
You have been honest and wrote in one of your early posts that you have been raised in Sunni family, You are not the first and last one to be in position that your past belief avoid them to read and study Miracle carefully and with a heart free of prejudices, aheart that forget the bearer of messages and just only God Alone. A heart that be linked to a free mind of all false learning and reborn with new belief.
God Alone Quran Alone based o solid proof not emotional feeling. New generations are more knowledgeable and expecting voluble and touchable proof not Arabic chanting of messages and speech of those confused sheikhs and ayatollahs making you sick.
Please study Miracle and further discoveries carefully and any part is not clear post it I and many others are prompt to response.Then how am I supposed to understand it and believe in it, by blind faith? No thanks!
Is not blind faith and nobody invites you or force you to believe it unless you do your own study and search 1736
All material is spread over this screen and if you need help I would be happy transfer more information. See hoe Monur Ali was thinking that he needs PHD to understand it and after just few words an simple explanation he responded WOW.
When you are ready and is up to God witnessing Miracle you would be surperized how these number so easy by so complicated design can not be man made.
It has been there with Original Quran . God knows future, God knew that they wiladd 2 verses to the chapter without His name to abuse it to bring prophet to God?s level as Raheem to take advantage to be in position to give Satanic fetwas (religious law) based on their own fabricated fair tale stories of prophet life. God knew that Origianl would be burnt and Satan is schemer God knows the best and He put those 14 initials for future to show how Satan has fooled us for 1400 years and resul of such foolishness is the situation in Mohammedans territories from corrupter tyrannous regimes to killing each other for their death leaders to be the one having postion of prophet and be Raheem like God.I didn't get an answer but a member PM-ed me some links
I am not sure if I have missed your question . would you repeat it please.
Well that might be part of the title but I didn't mention it in the topic. You are free to mention whatever you like but there is no need for long essays just on code 19. Like I said, there is a whole section on code 19 so links can be given to direct to any useful threads, preventing going off-topic.
Is this your rules or forum rules that we are not allowed to paste the information. by your reasoning many of the posting in this forum are off topics.
If you spend little time and study Miracle closely and bring your own quaetion about claims then i and others do not have to waste time over such issues.
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You have been honest and wrote in one of your early posts that you have been raised in Sunni family, You are not the first and last one to be in position that your past belief avoid them to read and study Miracle carefully and with a heart free of prejudices, aheart that forget the bearer of messages and just only God Alone. A heart that be linked to a free mind of all false learning and reborn with new belief.
God Alone Quran Alone based o solid proof not emotional feeling. New generations are more knowledgeable and expecting voluble and touchable proof not Arabic chanting of messages and speech of those confused sheikhs and ayatollahs making you sick.
Please study Miracle and further discoveries carefully and any part is not clear post it I and many others are prompt to response.
Is not blind faith and nobody invites you or force you to believe it unless you do your own study and search 1736
All material is spread over this screen and if you need help I would be happy transfer more information. See hoe Monur Ali was thinking that he needs PHD to understand it and after just few words an simple explanation he responded WOW.
When you are ready and is up to God witnessing Miracle you would be surperized how these number so easy by so complicated design can not be man made.
It has been there with Original Quran . God knows future, God knew that they wiladd 2 verses to the chapter without His name to abuse it to bring prophet to God?s level as Raheem to take advantage to be in position to give Satanic fetwas (religious law) based on their own fabricated fair tale stories of prophet life. God knew that Origianl would be burnt and Satan is schemer God knows the best and He put those 14 initials for future to show how Satan has fooled us for 1400 years and resul of such foolishness is the situation in Mohammedans territories from corrupter tyrannous regimes to killing each other for their death leaders to be the one having postion of prophet and be Raheem like God.
I am not sure if I have missed your question . would you repeat it please. Is this your rules or forum rules that we are not allowed to paste the information. by your reasoning many of the posting in this forum are off topics.
If you spend little time and study Miracle closely and bring your own quaetion about claims then i and others do not have to waste time over such issues.
PeaceYes my family are Sunni but they have nothing to do with it. I forgot every single thing they taught me and I am open to new concepts. I have spent some time looking for a simple explanation but could not find any. Feel free to PM me any links if you like.
I am not sure if I have missed your question . would you repeat it please.
I meant I never received a stright forward answer on my thread but a member PM-ed me some links to a code 19 site (I can't remember which one but I still have the message)Is this your rules or forum rules that we are not allowed to paste the information
I never said it was a rule. I would just prefer to hear the views on the main topic, which is why I posted it in the first place.If you spend little time and study Miracle closely and bring your own quaetion about claims then i and others do not have to waste time over such issues.
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I don't understand. What are you wasting your time on?
Peace.
Wasting time when you people reject Miracle without studying it and pointing the portions that is wrong. There are tons of claims by your friends that have tried to confuse new truth seekers that are in middle of their studies and examination.
I am not chat room person and prefer to record what isaid and waht you said publicly as may help others looking for such discussion. We have upload tons of information and yet you ask for link. What link are you looking?
What is your question is not answered?
Would you write your question in detail.
You can study the last and final purification of Quran by code 19 and by visiting link in 19.org you can follow rejections and pro discovery. Do not need PHD as Ali was thinking too. Just spend a little time and if you have any question you can post it here or there which would be answered for sure.
This new discovery after final certification finalize removal of 2 fabricated verses and block any addition or subtraction.
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If you spend little time and study Miracle closely and bring your own quaetion about claims then i and others do not have to waste time over such issues.
I don't understand. What are you wasting your time on?I don't get it. confused We are spending time about cde 19 in Quran.
7430-31 states the following
"Over it is nineteen." " We appointed angels to be guardians of Hell, and we assigned THEIR NUMBER (i.e.19) (1) to disturb the disbelievers. (2) to convince the Christians and Jews (that this is a divine scripture), (3) to strengthen the faith of the faithful, (4)to remove all traces of doubt from the hearts of Christians, Jews, as well as the believers, and (5) to expose those who harbor doubt in their hearts, and the disbelievers; they will say," What did God mean by this allegory ?" God thus sends astray whomever He wills, and guides whomever He wills, None knows the soldiers of your Lord except He. THIS IS A REMINDER FOR THE PEOPLE." 7430-31
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Yes my family are Sunni but they have nothing to do with it. I forgot every single thing they taught me and I am open to new concepts. I have spent some time looking for a simple explanation but could not find any. Feel free to PM me any links if you like.
I am not sure if I have missed your question . would you repeat it please.
I meant I never received a stright forward answer on my thread but a member PM-ed me some links to a code 19 site (I can't remember which one but I still have the message)You can read the first 3 articles in "mathematical miracle of the quran" in submission.org
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You can read the first 3 articles in "mathematical miracle of the quran" in submission.org
Today's HADITH stuff ???
Rejecting one Hadith and accepting the other one. What is this called ?
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Today's HADITH stuff ???
Rejecting one Hadith and accepting the other one. What is this called ?
RegardsPeace
Do your study of Hadith before such nonsense comparison. Here we talk about 14 initials on top of 29 chapters which direcly authored is secret and proof of book not told oral stories fair tale stories about prophet like splitting moon, drinking camel urine, angel black fly with one wing .......................... thoe that know Hadith can see your baseless claim. Please do not waste our time with such accusation instead study Miracle and show us the errors and man made parts. Do your own study and do not follow others blindly as I have indicated many times. You proof your claim or stay away from topics you do not have studied enough which wasting time of all.
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You can read the first 3 articles in "mathematical miracle of the quran" in submission.org
Peace Dear Ali
They do not read it because they think is wrong before examining it 1039 and some that read it they go with their negating attitude to find a way to confuse the readers not understanding it. All is recorded in this forum how they are locked into their own confusion when they never can imitate the simplest one llike this. . Can they understand it? or call it COINCIDENCE but they design a nonsense like this and claim is better one than God's Miracle. laugh
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Peace Dear Ali
They do not read it because they think is wrong before examining it 1039 and some that read it they go with their negating attitude to find a way to confuse the readers not understanding it. All is recorded in this forum how they are locked into their own confusion when they never can imitate the simplest one llike this. . Can they understand it? or call it COINCIDENCE but they design a nonsense like this and claim is better one than God's Miracle. laugh
PeaceActually, It becomes pretty easy to discover once you examine it. Am I right?
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Actually, It becomes pretty easy to discover once you examine it. Am I right?
Quran is the final authority. It preserved till Day of Judgement. Anyone ,any method ,any technology ,any inspiration ,any Tom Dick or Harry ,if tries to say that this claim is Wrong ,he is under SATANIC influence. You do not need to believe any "HADITH" whether of old versions or New versions.
{Old wine in New Bottles}
Regards
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Quran is the final authority. It preserved till Day of Judgement. Anyone ,any method ,any technology ,any inspiration ,any Tom Dick or Harry ,if tries to say that this claim is Wrong ,he is under SATANIC influence. You do not need to believe any "HADITH" whether of old versions or New versions.
{Old wine in New Bottles}
Regards
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Do little search and save our time please.
Which Quran ?
http//www.free-minds.org/sites/default/files/WhichQuran.pdf
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I agree with them that several of those verses, including the whole of chapter 9, are bad. However I do not agree with deleting them.
It is not commonly known that when Heinrich Heine, a Jewish-German playwright, wrote ?Wherever they burn books they will also, in the end, burn human beings?, he was actually referring to the Spanish Inquisition burning copies of the Quran. This is what their project seems like to me, censoring history.
Whatever you believe about the rightness or wrongness of the content of the Quran, it does not change the fact that it is also a historical text, and to censor it is an act of gross vandalism.
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Wasting time when you people reject Miracle without studying it and pointing the portions that is wrong. There are tons of claims by your friends that have tried to confuse new truth seekers that are in middle of their studies and examination.
I beg your pardon?? What do you mean by 'you people'. Care to elaborate?
My friends? Do you know me or something? Who are my friends?
You have no right to put me in a box labelled 'you people'. I am not part of a cult. I am an individual and would prefer to be treated like one thank you very much!I don't get it. confused We are spending time about cde 19 in Quran.
Munzir Ali, the quote in red was by Bahman, not myself.
I agree with them that several of those verses, including the whole of chapter 9, are bad. However I do not agree with deleting them.
It is not commonly known that when Heinrich Heine, a Jewish-German playwright, wrote ?Wherever they burn books they will also, in the end, burn human beings?, he was actually referring to the Spanish Inquisition burning copies of the Quran. This is what their project seems like to me, censoring history.
Whatever you believe about the rightness or wrongness of the content of the Quran, it does not change the fact that it is also a historical text, and to censor it is an act of gross vandalism.
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I beg your pardon?? What do you mean by 'you people'. Care to elaborate?
My friends? Do you know me or something? Who are my friends?
You have no right to put me in a box labelled 'you people'. I am not part of a cult. I am an individual and would prefer to be treated like one thank you very much!he seems to know you very well.... may be he is your neighbour or something but you don't know it.
any ways back to the topic. So why to delete/add anything in quran? Is it permissible? no matter the reason be code-19 / or anything else?
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he seems to know you very well.... may be he is your neighbour or something but you don't know it.
any ways back to the topic. So why to delete/add anything in quran? Is it permissible? no matter the reason be code-19 / or anything else?
Maybe he's my dad.
Well the reason they want to delete so many verses is because they don't agree with them.
My question is Do they believe that the Quran is from God? If they do, have they tried to understand the verses properly and who gave them the right to delete God's verses?
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Maybe he's my dad.
Well the reason they want to delete so many verses is because they don't agree with them.
My question is Do they believe that the Quran is from God? If they do, have they tried to understand the verses properly and who gave them the right to delete God's verses?
It is all about the intention.Sister what are you talking about ?
If they believe in the Quran ,do you think they would have removed two verses from the Quran inspite of Allah's Claim of preservation of the Quran.
They believe in modern Hearsay (Hadith) Code 19
Quran saysRegards
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Sister what are you talking about ?
If they believe in the Quran ,do you think they would have removed two verses from the Quran inspite of Allah's Claim of preservation of the Quran.
They believe in modern Hearsay (Hadith) Code 19
Quran saysRegards
I am referring to the main topic.
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I beg your pardon?? What do you mean by 'you people'. Care to elaborate?
You people that reject God's Miracle
My friends? Do you know me or something? Who are my friends?
The people that deny Miracle are in same category and are in same front Friends.
You have no right to put me in a box labelled 'you people'.
Do you believe in Miracle?
I am not part of a cult.
for me when you do not have proof for your book you are another cult.
I am an individual and would prefer to be treated like one thank you very much!
Certainly. I never anlyze poeple on the line unless they express themselves and already you explained that is raised brnaded name Sunni but they are not like myself had to say I am Shia when i was atheist . You have to hide it or SWORD. ) .
Do you believe that the Quran is from God?
Good question for yourself too.
If so, how would you explain your opinion that several verses are bad?
Great Masha Allah you wrote exactly what I have repeated many times I would like to see your detailed response.
Peace. )