You think deleting 2 verses is bad enough...
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If you spend little time and study Miracle closely and bring your own quaetion about claims then i and others do not have to waste time over such issues.
I don't understand. What are you wasting your time on?I don't get it. confused We are spending time about cde 19 in Quran.
7430-31 states the following
"Over it is nineteen." " We appointed angels to be guardians of Hell, and we assigned THEIR NUMBER (i.e.19) (1) to disturb the disbelievers. (2) to convince the Christians and Jews (that this is a divine scripture), (3) to strengthen the faith of the faithful, (4)to remove all traces of doubt from the hearts of Christians, Jews, as well as the believers, and (5) to expose those who harbor doubt in their hearts, and the disbelievers; they will say," What did God mean by this allegory ?" God thus sends astray whomever He wills, and guides whomever He wills, None knows the soldiers of your Lord except He. THIS IS A REMINDER FOR THE PEOPLE." 7430-31
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Yes my family are Sunni but they have nothing to do with it. I forgot every single thing they taught me and I am open to new concepts. I have spent some time looking for a simple explanation but could not find any. Feel free to PM me any links if you like.
I am not sure if I have missed your question . would you repeat it please.
I meant I never received a stright forward answer on my thread but a member PM-ed me some links to a code 19 site (I can't remember which one but I still have the message)You can read the first 3 articles in "mathematical miracle of the quran" in submission.org
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You can read the first 3 articles in "mathematical miracle of the quran" in submission.org
Today's HADITH stuff ???
Rejecting one Hadith and accepting the other one. What is this called ?
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Today's HADITH stuff ???
Rejecting one Hadith and accepting the other one. What is this called ?
RegardsPeace
Do your study of Hadith before such nonsense comparison. Here we talk about 14 initials on top of 29 chapters which direcly authored is secret and proof of book not told oral stories fair tale stories about prophet like splitting moon, drinking camel urine, angel black fly with one wing .......................... thoe that know Hadith can see your baseless claim. Please do not waste our time with such accusation instead study Miracle and show us the errors and man made parts. Do your own study and do not follow others blindly as I have indicated many times. You proof your claim or stay away from topics you do not have studied enough which wasting time of all.
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You can read the first 3 articles in "mathematical miracle of the quran" in submission.org
Peace Dear Ali
They do not read it because they think is wrong before examining it 1039 and some that read it they go with their negating attitude to find a way to confuse the readers not understanding it. All is recorded in this forum how they are locked into their own confusion when they never can imitate the simplest one llike this. . Can they understand it? or call it COINCIDENCE but they design a nonsense like this and claim is better one than God's Miracle. laugh
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Peace Dear Ali
They do not read it because they think is wrong before examining it 1039 and some that read it they go with their negating attitude to find a way to confuse the readers not understanding it. All is recorded in this forum how they are locked into their own confusion when they never can imitate the simplest one llike this. . Can they understand it? or call it COINCIDENCE but they design a nonsense like this and claim is better one than God's Miracle. laugh
PeaceActually, It becomes pretty easy to discover once you examine it. Am I right?
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Actually, It becomes pretty easy to discover once you examine it. Am I right?
Quran is the final authority. It preserved till Day of Judgement. Anyone ,any method ,any technology ,any inspiration ,any Tom Dick or Harry ,if tries to say that this claim is Wrong ,he is under SATANIC influence. You do not need to believe any "HADITH" whether of old versions or New versions.
{Old wine in New Bottles}
Regards
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Quran is the final authority. It preserved till Day of Judgement. Anyone ,any method ,any technology ,any inspiration ,any Tom Dick or Harry ,if tries to say that this claim is Wrong ,he is under SATANIC influence. You do not need to believe any "HADITH" whether of old versions or New versions.
{Old wine in New Bottles}
Regards
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Do little search and save our time please.
Which Quran ?
http//www.free-minds.org/sites/default/files/WhichQuran.pdf
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I agree with them that several of those verses, including the whole of chapter 9, are bad. However I do not agree with deleting them.
It is not commonly known that when Heinrich Heine, a Jewish-German playwright, wrote ?Wherever they burn books they will also, in the end, burn human beings?, he was actually referring to the Spanish Inquisition burning copies of the Quran. This is what their project seems like to me, censoring history.
Whatever you believe about the rightness or wrongness of the content of the Quran, it does not change the fact that it is also a historical text, and to censor it is an act of gross vandalism.
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Wasting time when you people reject Miracle without studying it and pointing the portions that is wrong. There are tons of claims by your friends that have tried to confuse new truth seekers that are in middle of their studies and examination.
I beg your pardon?? What do you mean by 'you people'. Care to elaborate?
My friends? Do you know me or something? Who are my friends?
You have no right to put me in a box labelled 'you people'. I am not part of a cult. I am an individual and would prefer to be treated like one thank you very much!I don't get it. confused We are spending time about cde 19 in Quran.
Munzir Ali, the quote in red was by Bahman, not myself.
I agree with them that several of those verses, including the whole of chapter 9, are bad. However I do not agree with deleting them.
It is not commonly known that when Heinrich Heine, a Jewish-German playwright, wrote ?Wherever they burn books they will also, in the end, burn human beings?, he was actually referring to the Spanish Inquisition burning copies of the Quran. This is what their project seems like to me, censoring history.
Whatever you believe about the rightness or wrongness of the content of the Quran, it does not change the fact that it is also a historical text, and to censor it is an act of gross vandalism.
Firstly, thank you for keeping to the topic.
Do you believe that the Quran is from God? If so, how would you explain your opinion that several verses are bad? -
I beg your pardon?? What do you mean by 'you people'. Care to elaborate?
My friends? Do you know me or something? Who are my friends?
You have no right to put me in a box labelled 'you people'. I am not part of a cult. I am an individual and would prefer to be treated like one thank you very much!he seems to know you very well.... may be he is your neighbour or something but you don't know it.
any ways back to the topic. So why to delete/add anything in quran? Is it permissible? no matter the reason be code-19 / or anything else?
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he seems to know you very well.... may be he is your neighbour or something but you don't know it.
any ways back to the topic. So why to delete/add anything in quran? Is it permissible? no matter the reason be code-19 / or anything else?
Maybe he's my dad.
Well the reason they want to delete so many verses is because they don't agree with them.
My question is Do they believe that the Quran is from God? If they do, have they tried to understand the verses properly and who gave them the right to delete God's verses?
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Maybe he's my dad.
Well the reason they want to delete so many verses is because they don't agree with them.
My question is Do they believe that the Quran is from God? If they do, have they tried to understand the verses properly and who gave them the right to delete God's verses?
It is all about the intention.Sister what are you talking about ?
If they believe in the Quran ,do you think they would have removed two verses from the Quran inspite of Allah's Claim of preservation of the Quran.
They believe in modern Hearsay (Hadith) Code 19
Quran saysRegards
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Sister what are you talking about ?
If they believe in the Quran ,do you think they would have removed two verses from the Quran inspite of Allah's Claim of preservation of the Quran.
They believe in modern Hearsay (Hadith) Code 19
Quran saysRegards
I am referring to the main topic.
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I beg your pardon?? What do you mean by 'you people'. Care to elaborate?
You people that reject God's Miracle
My friends? Do you know me or something? Who are my friends?
The people that deny Miracle are in same category and are in same front Friends.
You have no right to put me in a box labelled 'you people'.
Do you believe in Miracle?
I am not part of a cult.
for me when you do not have proof for your book you are another cult.
I am an individual and would prefer to be treated like one thank you very much!
Certainly. I never anlyze poeple on the line unless they express themselves and already you explained that is raised brnaded name Sunni but they are not like myself had to say I am Shia when i was atheist . You have to hide it or SWORD. ) .
Do you believe that the Quran is from God?
Good question for yourself too.
If so, how would you explain your opinion that several verses are bad?
Great Masha Allah you wrote exactly what I have repeated many times I would like to see your detailed response.
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You people that reject God's Miracle
The people that deny Miracle are in same category and are in same front Friends.So everyone who doesn't believe in code 19, even if i don't know them is my friend? Do you know what 'friend' means? Get some then you'll know the definition.
Do you believe in Miracle? for me when you do not have proof for your book you are another cult.
I believe in the scientific miracles in the Quran. To me, a cult has a leader. RK comes to mind.
Certainly. I never anlyze poeple on the line unless they express themselves and already you explained that is raised brnaded name Sunni but they are not like myself had to say I am Shia when i was atheist . You have to hide it or SWORD. )
I didn't understand half of that. You analysed me by the faith of my family. That is discrimination.
Good question for yourself too.
Yes I do believe that it is from God. It is a good question for yourself too.
Great Masha Allah you wrote exactly what I have repeated many times I would like to see your detailed response.
Who else said that there are bad verses?
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You people that reject God's Miracle
The people that deny Miracle are in same category and are in same front Friends.So everyone who doesn't believe in code 19, even if i don't know them is my friend? Do you know what 'friend' means? Get some then you'll know the definition.
Do you believe in Miracle? for me when you do not have proof for your book you are another cult.
I believe in the scientific miracles in the Quran. To me, a cult has a leader. RK comes to mind.
Certainly. I never anlyze poeple on the line unless they express themselves and already you explained that is raised brnaded name Sunni but they are not like myself had to say I am Shia when i was atheist . You have to hide it or SWORD.  
I didn't understand half of that. You analysed me by the faith of my family. That is discrimination.
Good question for yourself too.
Yes I do believe that it is from God. It is a good question for yourself too.
Great Masha Allah you wrote exactly what I have repeated many times I would like to see your detailed response.
Who else said that there are bad verses?
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Do little search and save our time please.
Which Quran ?
http//www.free-minds.org/sites/default/files/WhichQuran.pdf
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Firstly, thank you for keeping to the topic.
Do you believe that the Quran is from God? If so, how would you explain your opinion that several verses are bad?I believe the whole universe is from God, but there are lots of bad things in the Universe. But to answer your question as you intended it to mean, no, I don't think the whole of the book we have is God's guidance. Some bad ideas have snuck their way in.