You think deleting 2 verses is bad enough...
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Yes my family are Sunni but they have nothing to do with it. I forgot every single thing they taught me and I am open to new concepts. I have spent some time looking for a simple explanation but could not find any. Feel free to PM me any links if you like.
I am not sure if I have missed your question . would you repeat it please.
I meant I never received a stright forward answer on my thread but a member PM-ed me some links to a code 19 site (I can't remember which one but I still have the message)You can read the first 3 articles in "mathematical miracle of the quran" in submission.org
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You can read the first 3 articles in "mathematical miracle of the quran" in submission.org
Today's HADITH stuff ???
Rejecting one Hadith and accepting the other one. What is this called ?
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Today's HADITH stuff ???
Rejecting one Hadith and accepting the other one. What is this called ?
RegardsPeace
Do your study of Hadith before such nonsense comparison. Here we talk about 14 initials on top of 29 chapters which direcly authored is secret and proof of book not told oral stories fair tale stories about prophet like splitting moon, drinking camel urine, angel black fly with one wing .......................... thoe that know Hadith can see your baseless claim. Please do not waste our time with such accusation instead study Miracle and show us the errors and man made parts. Do your own study and do not follow others blindly as I have indicated many times. You proof your claim or stay away from topics you do not have studied enough which wasting time of all.
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You can read the first 3 articles in "mathematical miracle of the quran" in submission.org
Peace Dear Ali
They do not read it because they think is wrong before examining it 1039 and some that read it they go with their negating attitude to find a way to confuse the readers not understanding it. All is recorded in this forum how they are locked into their own confusion when they never can imitate the simplest one llike this. . Can they understand it? or call it COINCIDENCE but they design a nonsense like this and claim is better one than God's Miracle. laugh
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Peace Dear Ali
They do not read it because they think is wrong before examining it 1039 and some that read it they go with their negating attitude to find a way to confuse the readers not understanding it. All is recorded in this forum how they are locked into their own confusion when they never can imitate the simplest one llike this. . Can they understand it? or call it COINCIDENCE but they design a nonsense like this and claim is better one than God's Miracle. laugh
PeaceActually, It becomes pretty easy to discover once you examine it. Am I right?
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Actually, It becomes pretty easy to discover once you examine it. Am I right?
Quran is the final authority. It preserved till Day of Judgement. Anyone ,any method ,any technology ,any inspiration ,any Tom Dick or Harry ,if tries to say that this claim is Wrong ,he is under SATANIC influence. You do not need to believe any "HADITH" whether of old versions or New versions.
{Old wine in New Bottles}
Regards
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Quran is the final authority. It preserved till Day of Judgement. Anyone ,any method ,any technology ,any inspiration ,any Tom Dick or Harry ,if tries to say that this claim is Wrong ,he is under SATANIC influence. You do not need to believe any "HADITH" whether of old versions or New versions.
{Old wine in New Bottles}
Regards
Peace
Do little search and save our time please.
Which Quran ?
http//www.free-minds.org/sites/default/files/WhichQuran.pdf
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I agree with them that several of those verses, including the whole of chapter 9, are bad. However I do not agree with deleting them.
It is not commonly known that when Heinrich Heine, a Jewish-German playwright, wrote ?Wherever they burn books they will also, in the end, burn human beings?, he was actually referring to the Spanish Inquisition burning copies of the Quran. This is what their project seems like to me, censoring history.
Whatever you believe about the rightness or wrongness of the content of the Quran, it does not change the fact that it is also a historical text, and to censor it is an act of gross vandalism.
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Wasting time when you people reject Miracle without studying it and pointing the portions that is wrong. There are tons of claims by your friends that have tried to confuse new truth seekers that are in middle of their studies and examination.
I beg your pardon?? What do you mean by 'you people'. Care to elaborate?
My friends? Do you know me or something? Who are my friends?
You have no right to put me in a box labelled 'you people'. I am not part of a cult. I am an individual and would prefer to be treated like one thank you very much!I don't get it. confused We are spending time about cde 19 in Quran.
Munzir Ali, the quote in red was by Bahman, not myself.
I agree with them that several of those verses, including the whole of chapter 9, are bad. However I do not agree with deleting them.
It is not commonly known that when Heinrich Heine, a Jewish-German playwright, wrote ?Wherever they burn books they will also, in the end, burn human beings?, he was actually referring to the Spanish Inquisition burning copies of the Quran. This is what their project seems like to me, censoring history.
Whatever you believe about the rightness or wrongness of the content of the Quran, it does not change the fact that it is also a historical text, and to censor it is an act of gross vandalism.
Firstly, thank you for keeping to the topic.
Do you believe that the Quran is from God? If so, how would you explain your opinion that several verses are bad? -
I beg your pardon?? What do you mean by 'you people'. Care to elaborate?
My friends? Do you know me or something? Who are my friends?
You have no right to put me in a box labelled 'you people'. I am not part of a cult. I am an individual and would prefer to be treated like one thank you very much!he seems to know you very well.... may be he is your neighbour or something but you don't know it.
any ways back to the topic. So why to delete/add anything in quran? Is it permissible? no matter the reason be code-19 / or anything else?
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he seems to know you very well.... may be he is your neighbour or something but you don't know it.
any ways back to the topic. So why to delete/add anything in quran? Is it permissible? no matter the reason be code-19 / or anything else?
Maybe he's my dad.
Well the reason they want to delete so many verses is because they don't agree with them.
My question is Do they believe that the Quran is from God? If they do, have they tried to understand the verses properly and who gave them the right to delete God's verses?
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Maybe he's my dad.
Well the reason they want to delete so many verses is because they don't agree with them.
My question is Do they believe that the Quran is from God? If they do, have they tried to understand the verses properly and who gave them the right to delete God's verses?
It is all about the intention.Sister what are you talking about ?
If they believe in the Quran ,do you think they would have removed two verses from the Quran inspite of Allah's Claim of preservation of the Quran.
They believe in modern Hearsay (Hadith) Code 19
Quran saysRegards
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Sister what are you talking about ?
If they believe in the Quran ,do you think they would have removed two verses from the Quran inspite of Allah's Claim of preservation of the Quran.
They believe in modern Hearsay (Hadith) Code 19
Quran saysRegards
I am referring to the main topic.
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I beg your pardon?? What do you mean by 'you people'. Care to elaborate?
You people that reject God's Miracle
My friends? Do you know me or something? Who are my friends?
The people that deny Miracle are in same category and are in same front Friends.
You have no right to put me in a box labelled 'you people'.
Do you believe in Miracle?
I am not part of a cult.
for me when you do not have proof for your book you are another cult.
I am an individual and would prefer to be treated like one thank you very much!
Certainly. I never anlyze poeple on the line unless they express themselves and already you explained that is raised brnaded name Sunni but they are not like myself had to say I am Shia when i was atheist . You have to hide it or SWORD. ) .
Do you believe that the Quran is from God?
Good question for yourself too.
If so, how would you explain your opinion that several verses are bad?
Great Masha Allah you wrote exactly what I have repeated many times I would like to see your detailed response.
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You people that reject God's Miracle
The people that deny Miracle are in same category and are in same front Friends.So everyone who doesn't believe in code 19, even if i don't know them is my friend? Do you know what 'friend' means? Get some then you'll know the definition.
Do you believe in Miracle? for me when you do not have proof for your book you are another cult.
I believe in the scientific miracles in the Quran. To me, a cult has a leader. RK comes to mind.
Certainly. I never anlyze poeple on the line unless they express themselves and already you explained that is raised brnaded name Sunni but they are not like myself had to say I am Shia when i was atheist . You have to hide it or SWORD. )
I didn't understand half of that. You analysed me by the faith of my family. That is discrimination.
Good question for yourself too.
Yes I do believe that it is from God. It is a good question for yourself too.
Great Masha Allah you wrote exactly what I have repeated many times I would like to see your detailed response.
Who else said that there are bad verses?
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You people that reject God's Miracle
The people that deny Miracle are in same category and are in same front Friends.So everyone who doesn't believe in code 19, even if i don't know them is my friend? Do you know what 'friend' means? Get some then you'll know the definition.
Do you believe in Miracle? for me when you do not have proof for your book you are another cult.
I believe in the scientific miracles in the Quran. To me, a cult has a leader. RK comes to mind.
Certainly. I never anlyze poeple on the line unless they express themselves and already you explained that is raised brnaded name Sunni but they are not like myself had to say I am Shia when i was atheist . You have to hide it or SWORD.  
I didn't understand half of that. You analysed me by the faith of my family. That is discrimination.
Good question for yourself too.
Yes I do believe that it is from God. It is a good question for yourself too.
Great Masha Allah you wrote exactly what I have repeated many times I would like to see your detailed response.
Who else said that there are bad verses?
Peace
Do little search and save our time please.
Which Quran ?
http//www.free-minds.org/sites/default/files/WhichQuran.pdf
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Firstly, thank you for keeping to the topic.
Do you believe that the Quran is from God? If so, how would you explain your opinion that several verses are bad?I believe the whole universe is from God, but there are lots of bad things in the Universe. But to answer your question as you intended it to mean, no, I don't think the whole of the book we have is God's guidance. Some bad ideas have snuck their way in.
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I believe the whole universe is from God,
I agree.
http//y19.net/619-3.htmlbut there are lots of bad things in the Universe.
would you post some example please.
But to answer your question as you intended it to mean, no, I don't think the whole of the book we have is God's guidance.
I believe Quran was revealed for our generation and and that reason for revealing secret of 14 initial at this time when is possible to witness it only by this creature. The generation on this scree which can see it and cannot deny in day of judgement that it was published on this screen and read it but ignore because their heart is beating with their shaikhs,imams,scholars, priest, pope, khakaham ,monk.........
God knows every moment of our situation and our sickness by Satan. Like a doctor injecting necessary medication stage by stage. Quran is last messages but revealed in time and location that God explains the reason as one of the darkest socity when tells them do bury your daughters.
Talking to such people that easily bring sword out and cut your head because you asking question or you proof he is not right can not be out of some warning.
There are messages there that is tough and sometime do not match with our era. Those messages are for past. Now we have proof that whole Quran
is word of superhuman but we do not have proof that to live like 1400 years ago. If god authored that instead of one man 2 women should sign the contract
it could be used in remote area when women are not allowed to be educated. in majority of modern societies there no contract between 2 person. There are finicial instituation charf ging for securing your contact according to present rules and laws.
It would be funny to tell females that have all kind of position up to presideny that she has to bring another female to sign.
But corrupted poeple and sick minded leaders in the past and present are abusing such verse to give half of men right to women for everything( if they are moderate laugh)
I did not go trough those list and is wasting time when i witness all messages are secured and protected unless 2 verses that done by Satanic desire of time dictatorial power to elevate themselves as decedent of Raheem to same level of God. Then when Ali rejected such fabrication he was assisisnated and his family too and superpower of time ( when there was no such media and education level ) they change the story to fight over leadership of Raheem. ( not prophet as he never called himself Raheem and he never did same Shahada that Mohammedans do to today.
When they can do it to day like invasion of Iraq accusing of Mass Destruction weapons which now is goinf for years has become a field for Sunii and Shai fighting for their dead idols leadership with multiple PHD hanging on their walls and screaming on your tube to show themselves not the messages )
So changing history by victor is natural thing but stupidities of our generation with access to all kind of information following their parents belief blindly can be seen easily on this screen and portion of it in this forum.
Such stupidities had had never finished and there is no chance for REFORMING them . The only way is cutting out with past as many has done.
This report is portion of such tyrannous and corrupted cultist in either with all kind of modern means and tools but same mentality before Quran.
Go back 1400 years ago or visit remote areas (which have changed names,dress code and carrying same corruption before Quran by different name ).
Messages are for the time of revealed to the end of this life and belong to TIME and LOCATION.Some bad ideas have snuck their way in.
Let us say "Some bad ideas have snuck their way in"
Because scholars and clergies interpreted the verses according to instruction of political and religious leaders to respect Hathis fabrication and even they do it to day.
Peace.
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