Resources about abrogation?
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Those amongst the People of the Book and Pagans/Idolaters who have deliberately refused to accept {what has since been sent} do not love/desire it,
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that /further Soo'rat/Aaya'at of Book/something from blessing be sent upon you people from your Sustainer Lord.http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/temp%2002%20%202.106a.gif
We do not change the place of ayah or leave guarding it until We bring there/that place one better suited there than her or similar to that. are indeed a fabricator"-Read 16101]http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/016.%20An%20Nahl/016.%20A5.gif
And when We change the place/location of an Ayah with the place/location of another Ayah,
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and Allah is well aware of what He has gradually revealed; , on replacement of location of an Ayah with the location of another Ayah they say alleging "You are indeed a fabricator".
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No, you have not substituted the locations/fabricated, the fact of the matter is that most of them do not know . -
No quarrel at all.
You placed absolutely a wrong statement.I countered it. Your reluctance to translate 2252 is an absolute proof that you could not support your claim per Quran.
So simple.
RegardsWas my statement dependent on a translation or on the original Arabic version?
What nonsense! Why do you want translations when you believe that qur'aan is untranslatable?
Members kept asking you for translations and you refuse. Why should I grant you what you refuse to offer? -
Because he loves the crack.
??? crack what?
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From the introduction of the Quran a Reformist Translation. For a better formatted version, see www.quranix.com
Peace,
EdipDo The Verses of The Quran Abrogate Each Other?
There are schools of thought that have committed the travesty of allowing the Quran ? regarded as the definitive word of God ? to be abrogated (replaced, overridden) by the hadith and the sunna.
Though in his footnote, Yusuf Ali refers to the other meaning of the word AYAH, and the different interpretation of the verse, by translating the word as "revelations," he affirms the traditional position known as "abrogation" of one revelation by another revelation. A few scholars, as we say, have gone so far as to use hadith to abrogate the Quran; a more common view, however, is that certain verses in the Quran either have been removed or some verses cancel each other's judgment out. We reject these contentions.
! Disputed passage The traditional commentaries and translations render 2106 to justify abrogation in the Quran, thereby justifying the rejection of many Quranic verses.
Yusuf Ali
None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar Knowest thou not that God hath power over all things? (2106)Pickthall
Nothing of our revelation (even a single verse) do we abrogate or cause be forgotten, but we bring (in place) one better or the like thereof. Knowest thou not that Allah is Able to do all things? (2106)Shakir
Whatever communications We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring one better than it or like it. Do you not know that Allah has power over all things? (2106)Reformist
We do not duplicate (or abrogate) any sign or cause it to be forgotten, unless we produce a better, or at least an equal one. Do you not know that God is Omnipotent? (2106)
DISCUSSION OF 2106Ayaat, the plural of aya, is used in the Quran to mean both a) signs/miracles and b) verses/revelations of the Quran itself. Since verses of the Quran are considered to be miracles/signs, the plural form occasionally conveys both meanings simultaneously.
A single verse of the Quran is not deemed to be a miracle since some short verses of the Quran (for instance 553; 691; 744; 758; 8028; 8126) are not unique and can be found in daily conversations of Arabic-speaking people. In fact, the Quran determines the minimum unit of miraculous nature as a chapter (103, and the shortest chapters consist of 3 verses (103; 108; 110). Therefore, only the plural form of aya, that is ayaat, can be used as reference to the verses/revelation of the Quran.
However the singular form, aya, in all its 84 occurrences in the Quran is always used to mean sign or miracle. Therefore, we choose to translate the singular form aya in verse 2106 as "sign," rather than as "verse (of the Quran)."
By declaring the word of God to be vague and ambiguous, early scholars opened the gate for unlimited abuse and distortion. Furthermore, by distorting the meaning of 2106, they claimed that many verses of the Quran had been abrogated (amended) by other verses or hadiths. By this "abrogation theory," they amended verses which they did not understand, or which did not suit their interests, or which contradicted their hadiths. Repeating the same error committed by the Children of Israel (285), Muslims fulfilled the prophetic description of their action in 1591-93. Some of them abrogated 5 Quranic verses, some 20 verses and some 50. Below, you'll find an extreme (and bizarre) example of an abrogation based on the supposed "authority" of 2106 as interpreted in the orthodox manner.
The verse that was abrogated by a goat!
Some fabricated hadiths claim that the prophet Muhammad stoned a particular couple to death for illicit sexual relations. This punishment, we believe, would have been in conflict with 242 of the Quran, which sets out a separate penalty for adultery, and makes no mention whatsoever of capital punishment.
Since hadith-manufacturers realized that hadiths were not enough to abrogate the clear verses of the Quran, they went so far as to fabricate a "verse" supporting stoning and attributed it to God. "Al-shaykhu wa al-shaykhatu iza zanaya farjumuhuma nakalan bima kasabu..." They tried to inject the stoning penalty for adulterers into the Quran!
When they failed, they fabricated stories which only the people who are described in 10100 of the Quran (those who believe without understanding and comprehending) could accept.
According to the story, the 'stoning verse' was recorded in the Quran during the time of Muhammad; but just after his death, a goat entered the house of the prophet's wife Aisha and ate the page on which that verse was inscribed. Thus, we are assured, the "stoning verse" had been abrogated physically!
This story can be found in the so-called authentic hadith collections, such as Ibn Maja, Nikah, 36/1944 and Ibn Hanbal, 5/131,132,183; 6/269.
How could a verse of a perfect scripture be abrogated by a goat? As an answer to this question, Ibn Qutayba, a proponent of hadith and sunna, in his classic book entitled "Solving the Contradictions Among Hadiths" puts forward the contention that "the goat is a holy animal." And he asked a counter question "Why not trust in God's power? As He destroyed the people of Aad and Thamud, He is also able to destroy His revelations by using even a goat!"
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??? crack what?
your cars!
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your cars!
I'm gonna cry if meteora does that.
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I'm gonna cry if meteora does that.
crack)1. break without coming fully apart
2. break into pieces
3. break with sharp noise
4. make sharp noise
5. hit something hard
6. break open under pressure
7. fail or make something fail
8. break down psychologically
9. become hoarse or change in pitch ( refers to voices )
10. beat record
11. open something slightly
12. decode or solve something
13. break into something ( informal )
14. open something to use ( informal )
15. break molecules down into smaller molecules
16. disable copy protection ( slang )
17. break into computer system ( slang )noun (plural cracks)
- thin break
- long narrow opening
- sharp noise
- weakness
- uneven voice tone
- purified form of cocaine
- blow ( informal )
- sarcastic comment ( informal )
- attempt ( informal )
adjective
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Crack cocaine, a smokable form of cocaine
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crack1. break without coming fully apart
2. break into pieces
3. break with sharp noise
4. make sharp noise
5. hit something hard
6. break open under pressure
7. fail or make something fail
8. break down psychologically
9. become hoarse or change in pitch ( refers to voices )
10. beat record
11. open something slightly
12. decode or solve something
13. break into something ( informal )
14. open something to use ( informal )
15. break molecules down into smaller molecules
16. disable copy protection ( slang )
17. break into computer system ( slang )noun (plural cracks)
- thin break
- long narrow opening
- sharp noise
- weakness
- uneven voice tone
- purified form of cocaine
- blow ( informal )
- sarcastic comment ( informal )
- attempt ( informal )
adjective
excellenthandshake thanks.
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Not an Arabic speaker but I have just asked my husband and his friend what naskh means and they both said in unison 'COPY'
I have looked at the verse and just using google translator that too says 'copy'. Further on in the verse it says 'or cause to be forgotten' and the word translated as this is nunsiha according to corpus Quran, but according to google this means 'Our Revelations' and the word 'to delete or abrogate' is Lgh
again confirmed by both my Arabic speakers here.I have just copied each word separately into google and got this
what copy from verse or our revelations come fine including or ideals pain learning that God at all thing competent.
nothing about abrogate or cause to forget.
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just tried in google again and found using a few words instead of just one give slightly different translations and it does change to 'abrogate'. confusing!
where is Mazhar when you need him
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Not an Arabic speaker but I have just asked my husband and his friend what naskh means and they both said in unison 'COPY'
I have looked at the verse and just using google translator that too says 'copy'. Further on in the verse it says 'or cause to be forgotten' and the word translated as this is nunsiha according to corpus Quran, but according to google this means 'Our Revelations' and the word 'to delete or abrogate' is Lgh
again confirmed by both my Arabic speakers here.I have just copied each word separately into google and got this
what copy from verse or our revelations come fine including or ideals pain learning that God at all thing competent.
nothing about abrogate or cause to forget.
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peace
Is this a reply to my post? If it is, I'm talking about 16101 not 2106, I said that I don't believe 2106 means abrogate or verses
naskh is not mentioned in 16101
16101
Transliteration Wa-itha baddalna ayatan makana ayatin waAllahu aAAlamu bima yunazzilu qaloo innama anta muftarin bal aktharuhum la yaAAlamoona
Literal And if We exchanged/replaced/substituted a verse in place (of) a verse , and God is more knowledgeable with what He descends, they said "But you are a fabricator/cutter and splitter." Rather most of them do not know.
I think the following argument is compelling, when questioning whether 2106 is referring to verses
The words "We replace it with its equal" would be meaningless if the word ?Ayah? in this verse meant a Quranic verse, simply because it would make no sense for God to invalidate one verse then replace it with one that is identical to it! (It says something better or similar, correct?)