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There is No God.

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    Rajah
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    Hello everyone..
    How true is Allah = Al + Ilaha = The God..Is this an invention too? Allah, if you look at it in its simplest form, could be Al (the) + Lah (No..Nothing)..I could be wrong ...just thinking...

    If Allah is truly is "The God " why did not he call himself just that..I am "Al Ilaha"...instead of "Allah".

    cheers.... O0

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      No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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      Hello everyone..
      How true is Allah = Al + Ilaha = The God..Is this an invention too? Allah, if you look at it in its simplest form, could be Al (the) + Lah (No..Nothing)..I could be wrong ...just thinking...

      If Allah is truly is "The God " why did not he call himself just that..I am "Al Ilaha"...instead of "Allah".

      cheers.... O0

      http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16710.0

      I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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        Abdun_Nur
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        Salaam,

        Allah in classical Arabic has been defined below, by my friend Badar, I'm going to add this definition to the essay God and Allah, which you can read ifyou have not yet done so on

        http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/7/27/

        This has to do both with script writing technique as well Grammar. But more importantly script writing technique. To best of knowledge there is not lot of work done in the past on writing technique. A surprise really. Having said this I will re explain this both showing Arabic script as well translating into English. The Arabic word is not one word. It actually consist of three words in this order. First word is =Allathee means "who is". This in writing is well know to be only written as or Al but this Al does not mean "the". It is followed by , Laa, meaning "not" and finally , illah, meaning the pagan Arab God or God in general. Hence the whole phrase would translated as "who is not god".

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          hope4
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          Selam all

          Here are a few things to consider

          1. 3957 Or say ?Had God guided me, I would have been among the
            righteous.?

          Who is guiding us?

          1. 3961 And God will save those who were righteous as their reward. No
            harm will touch them, nor will they grieve.

          Who is saving us?

          1. 4118 And We saved those who believed and were righteous.

          Who is We refered to here?

          1. 4335 And many ornaments. All these are the pleasures of this worldly
            life. And the Hereafter with your Lord is for the righteous.

          Please pay attention to the words 'Hereafter with your Lord'.

          1. 4345 And ask those of Our messengers whom We sent before you
            ?Did We ever appoint gods besides the Almighty to be served??

          How do we serve the Almighty?

          1. 4363 And when Jesus came with the proofs, he said ?I have come to
            you with the wisdom, and to clarify some of the matters in which
            you dispute. So be aware of God and obey me.?
            4364 ?God is my Lord and your Lord. So serve Him. This is a straight
            path.?

          God is my Lord and your Lord?

          1. 4388 And it will be said ?O my Lord, these are a people who do not
            believe.?
            4389 So disregard them and say ?Peace.? For they will come to know.

          Peace

          Hope

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            Abdun_Nur
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            Salaam Hope4,

            I realise you may not have gathered, but you are using a translation, it does not say God, it says Allah, it is miss-interpreted as God in the Ayahs.

            Quiet evidently you have taken it upon yourself to point out the obvious, without having first read what you are attempting to disprove, unfortunately I have paid attention, it is you who has failed utterly to manage it, read God and Allah, comprehend the difference between the two, not for my benefit, but for your own. From the tone of your post I doubt you will bother.

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              hope4
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              Peace Abdun Nur

              You seem to be arguing for the sake of arguing. I am not arguing or trying to prove any point here, however, you are. In the course of doing so you are extremely labelling towards other members of the forum and I take that as being arrogant. I am not saying that you are not logical or even wrong but the way you present your arguments or your facts are patronizing to others. Unfortunatly, I do not know arabic of the Quran or any other arabic for that matter, so I could not intepret the meaning of Allah and would like other brothers and sisters with knowledge to come forward and help us in this matter. My reasons for posting the ayats was to find out if you intepreted them differently? Coming back to the issue what do you have to say about the ayats below. Again I am not trying to disprove or prove anything but looking for different intepretations/ideas/ and points of view to help me in my understanding.

              1121 Say ?He is God, the One,?
              1122 ?God, the Indivisible,?
              1123 ?He does not beget, nor was He begotten,?
              1124 ?And there is none who is His equal.?

              Peace

              Hope

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                nsws1988
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                From the tone of your post I doubt you will bother.

                What tone?

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                  Cushan
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                  Salaam,

                  the foundation of Islam is this statement, There is No God, why then do Muslims continue to express belief in a God, have they failed to grasp the concept of God; Allah has no problem with the concept of God, and Allah has asked every Muslim to understand There is No God, before understanding any other idea, the very foundation of Islam, and this foundation is not understood.

                  If you would like to understand the foundation of Islam, and have a few minutes to spare to remove the Shirk of God, please have a read of the essay in the link below.

                  http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/7/1/

                  Stop reading Angelus Silesius! Sorry, couldn't resist.

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                    Abdun_Nur
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                    Salaam Cushan,

                    you think I have a Roman Catholic view?

                    He believed man and God are one, which is a Jewish doctrine, they believe themselves to be a God.

                    I, on the other hand, am saying there is absolutely no God at all.

                    You have miss understood my perspective, you should read God and Allah sighted in the link.

                    Even if you dismiss the guidance of Allah explaining there is No God, there is a simple reason beyond this, as to why you can not say Allah and God are the same thing, because God is a male title, and Allah is without sex, the female is Godess.

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                      Tareq
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                      I, on the other hand, am saying there is absolutely no God at all.

                      Peace Abdun Nur,

                      How would you interpret "Allah La Ilaha Illa Huwa Al Hay Al Qayoom"?

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                        Tareq
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                        Salaam Meteora,

                        I noticed you were careful to avoid the God word, the foundation of Islam is there is No God, simple, and clear,

                        Finish the sentence The foundation of Islam is "There is no god but God". That doesn't mean "There is no God, yet there is a God".It means "There is only one God"

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                          Abdun_Nur
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                          Salaam Tareq,

                          Allah is a man then, not a women, in your eyes?
                          A God not a Goddess?

                          As God is a word with gender, as it is a personification, you have not read the explanation on my website, you wish to believe in the subjugating lie of a God afar off, up in the sky, feel free, nothing I could say would alter a view based on conjecture, and in direct contradiction to the physical evidence.

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                            Tareq
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                            Salaam Abdun Nur,

                            Salaam Tareq,

                            Allah is a man then, not a women, in your eyes?
                            A God not a Goddess?

                            Allah isn't human, so in my eyes he is neither man nor woman.
                            If Allah were male, that would imply a female counterpart and vice-versa.
                            I don't believe that God has a gender.

                            As God is a word with gender, as it is a personification, you have not read the explanation on my website, you wish to believe in the subjugating lie of a God afar off, up in the sky, feel free, nothing I could say would alter a view based on conjecture, and in direct contradiction to the physical evidence.

                            Are any Arabic words without gender?
                            Is "bab" male?
                            Is "madrasa" female?
                            I don't know where you got the impression that I believe that God is "afar off, up in the sky". I will take a good look at your site and get back.
                            Peace

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                              Salaam Tareq,

                              Allah is a man then, not a women, in your eyes?
                              A God not a Goddess?

                              As God is a word with gender, as it is a personification, you have not read the explanation on my website, you wish to believe in the subjugating lie of a God afar off, up in the sky, feel free, nothing I could say would alter a view based on conjecture, and in direct contradiction to the physical evidence.

                              Sorry, but that is such an illogical argument. A text-book straw-man logical fallacy. You can certainly believe allah = The God, without postulating an abstract, pie-in-the-sky type god.

                              Peace

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                                Abdun_Nur
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                                Salaam Tareq and Jack,

                                as I said you are not interested in understanding, you go round in circles, and I have little interest in explaining to those who have no interest in understanding, you ignore God and Goddess, male and female, and continue to view things without reason, you wish to believe in a personified God, I have little time to waste on pointless debate.

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                                  Rev_John
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                                  Sorry, but that is such an illogical argument. A text-book straw-man logical fallacy. You can certainly believe allah = The God, without postulating an abstract, pie-in-the-sky type god.

                                  Peace

                                  bravo

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                                    Abdun_Nur
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                                    Salaam Rev John,

                                    as they say, ignorance is bliss, and you are filled with so much bliss, you cup runeth over, as Christians love to say.

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                                      nsws1988
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                                      Salaam Rev John,

                                      as they say, ignorance is bliss, and you are filled with so much bliss, you cup runeth over, as Christians love to say.

                                      Just because people do not understand or agree with your view on things it doesn't make them ignorant.

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                                        Salaam Rev John,

                                        as they say, ignorance is bliss, and you are filled with so much bliss, you cup runeth over, as Christians love to say.

                                        "don't let me ruin your dreams" -Frustration

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                                          Rev_John
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                                          Just because people do not understand or agree with your view on things it doesn't make them ignorant.

                                          It would seem that it is not me that is ignorant as I do not insult other people and many people have him on ignore.

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