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There is No God.

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    Abdun_Nur
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    Salaam Cushan,

    you think I have a Roman Catholic view?

    He believed man and God are one, which is a Jewish doctrine, they believe themselves to be a God.

    I, on the other hand, am saying there is absolutely no God at all.

    You have miss understood my perspective, you should read God and Allah sighted in the link.

    Even if you dismiss the guidance of Allah explaining there is No God, there is a simple reason beyond this, as to why you can not say Allah and God are the same thing, because God is a male title, and Allah is without sex, the female is Godess.

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      Tareq
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      I, on the other hand, am saying there is absolutely no God at all.

      Peace Abdun Nur,

      How would you interpret "Allah La Ilaha Illa Huwa Al Hay Al Qayoom"?

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        Tareq
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        Salaam Meteora,

        I noticed you were careful to avoid the God word, the foundation of Islam is there is No God, simple, and clear,

        Finish the sentence The foundation of Islam is "There is no god but God". That doesn't mean "There is no God, yet there is a God".It means "There is only one God"

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          Abdun_Nur
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          Salaam Tareq,

          Allah is a man then, not a women, in your eyes?
          A God not a Goddess?

          As God is a word with gender, as it is a personification, you have not read the explanation on my website, you wish to believe in the subjugating lie of a God afar off, up in the sky, feel free, nothing I could say would alter a view based on conjecture, and in direct contradiction to the physical evidence.

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            Tareq
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            Salaam Abdun Nur,

            Salaam Tareq,

            Allah is a man then, not a women, in your eyes?
            A God not a Goddess?

            Allah isn't human, so in my eyes he is neither man nor woman.
            If Allah were male, that would imply a female counterpart and vice-versa.
            I don't believe that God has a gender.

            As God is a word with gender, as it is a personification, you have not read the explanation on my website, you wish to believe in the subjugating lie of a God afar off, up in the sky, feel free, nothing I could say would alter a view based on conjecture, and in direct contradiction to the physical evidence.

            Are any Arabic words without gender?
            Is "bab" male?
            Is "madrasa" female?
            I don't know where you got the impression that I believe that God is "afar off, up in the sky". I will take a good look at your site and get back.
            Peace

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              Salaam Tareq,

              Allah is a man then, not a women, in your eyes?
              A God not a Goddess?

              As God is a word with gender, as it is a personification, you have not read the explanation on my website, you wish to believe in the subjugating lie of a God afar off, up in the sky, feel free, nothing I could say would alter a view based on conjecture, and in direct contradiction to the physical evidence.

              Sorry, but that is such an illogical argument. A text-book straw-man logical fallacy. You can certainly believe allah = The God, without postulating an abstract, pie-in-the-sky type god.

              Peace

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                Abdun_Nur
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                Salaam Tareq and Jack,

                as I said you are not interested in understanding, you go round in circles, and I have little interest in explaining to those who have no interest in understanding, you ignore God and Goddess, male and female, and continue to view things without reason, you wish to believe in a personified God, I have little time to waste on pointless debate.

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                  Rev_John
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                  Sorry, but that is such an illogical argument. A text-book straw-man logical fallacy. You can certainly believe allah = The God, without postulating an abstract, pie-in-the-sky type god.

                  Peace

                  bravo

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                    Abdun_Nur
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                    Salaam Rev John,

                    as they say, ignorance is bliss, and you are filled with so much bliss, you cup runeth over, as Christians love to say.

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                      Salaam Rev John,

                      as they say, ignorance is bliss, and you are filled with so much bliss, you cup runeth over, as Christians love to say.

                      Just because people do not understand or agree with your view on things it doesn't make them ignorant.

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                        Salaam Rev John,

                        as they say, ignorance is bliss, and you are filled with so much bliss, you cup runeth over, as Christians love to say.

                        "don't let me ruin your dreams" -Frustration

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                          Rev_John
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                          Just because people do not understand or agree with your view on things it doesn't make them ignorant.

                          It would seem that it is not me that is ignorant as I do not insult other people and many people have him on ignore.

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                            Abdun_Nur
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                            Salaam Rev John,

                            it was not an insult, just an observation, if what you say is true, it confirms my point, ignore-ance is bliss, they have no interest in thought, just in religion.

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                              san
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                              ignore-ance is bliss

                              Yeah, sometimes it is good to ignore.

                              Salaam Rev John,

                              it was not an insult, just an observation, if what you say is true, it confirms my point, ignore-ance is bliss, they have no interest in thought, just in religion.

                              Eh, to whom does your they refer?

                              I can see your first it refers to a previous post. And so the second it refers to another previous post. And you, Rev.John it seems. And my, obviously you.

                              Just an observation. It is not an insult.

                              Peace.

                              P.S. i have just deciphered it, your they refer to 'many people have him on ignore', right? Yeehaa, i'm not that ignorant after all!
                              Now what about this him? confused

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                                YuhannaTheMad
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                                Great article OP. Reminds me of Exodus 314. And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

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                                  Rajah
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                                  Hello....

                                  "They have certainly disbelieved who say, ?Allah (Not God) is the third of three*, and there is no god except one God.? And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment. (Surah 5 - 73) - from servantof thelight

                                  573 Rejecters indeed are those who have said God is a trinity! There is no god except One god. If they do not cease from what they are saying, then those who reject from among them will be afflicted with a painful retribution. - freeminds.org

                                  *Allh al-ab meaning God the father, Allh al-ibn mean God the son, and Allh al-r al-quds meaning God the Holy Spirit.
                                  This interesting as allah is not even given the first place.

                                  -Webster?s Dictionary gives the definition and etymology of Allah as follows. Allah is the Muslim name for "the God." Allah is derived from two words "al," which means "the" and "ilah," which is related to the feminine Hebrew word for God, "eloah."
                                  If the above is true for "La illah ha illallah" , then it would be similar to say ?there is no car but The Car?. A contradiction. Is not the car still a car? This even makes allah smaller as allah is just another god and looking back at the xtian concept no wonder allah was qualified as the third of the 3....i am just thinking aloud..Yes I am using the translation form ser.......com

                                  ?How would you interpret "Allah La Ilaha Illa Huwa Al Hay Al Qayoom"?
                                  I too wanna know!!

                                  A peaceful approach to truth may work wonders?..

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                                    Abdun_Nur
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                                    Salaam,

                                    Allahu la ilaha illahuwa alhayyu alqayyoomu

                                    The one who is not illah (god), will not become illah (god). But, who is ever living and self subsisting, from whom all things subsist. (a point of interest for you ?hayya?, not only means life, but a life of a burning fire)

                                    Thanks to Brother Badar for this definition.

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                                      FAR
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                                      There are also many false facts in the hadith about God, like he will expose his leg to the muslims on the day of days, lol.

                                      Hadith?

                                      The critics of Islam take that out of the quran 6842

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                                        Ahmad_Bilal
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                                        Peace Abdun Nur,

                                        I've been really considering your ideas concerning Allah, and I'm starting to have a similar outlook... What exactly do you believe Allah is, where is He, and where did He come from?

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                                          Abdun_Nur
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                                          Salaam Ahmad,

                                          You asked ?I've been really considering your ideas concerning Allah, and I'm starting to have a similar outlook... What exactly do you believe Allah is, where is He, and where did He come from??

                                          Allah is explained within the Qur?an both physically and conceptually, but if viewed through the contamination of the God personification can not be understood.

                                          There are only two things in existence, the first is absolute pure nothingness, the second is a single consciousness, they exist in a state of dichotomy.

                                          If you want to understand this in detail read

                                          http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/92/124/

                                          Everything in existence is pure imaginative thought, this conscious thought manifest every reality instant to instant, without this constant re-invention nothing would remain, so when considering Allah, the manifest realities are only the conscious thoughts of the single consciousness, not in themselves the single consciousness, but as this consciousness is all that exists we perceive a physical truth to Allah when none can exist, consider your own mind, your thoughts are you, but not you.

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