Hello... Is God here? Is Love here?
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Hi Fawzia,
thanks for the drop-by.
Well i have read a lot about what He does not like, or "hate" if you like, so i won't need your reference, thanks. It's in the Quran i read daily, plain without extras.
I'm more interested in His love, and that is something not compatible with those who seek the opposite.
Peace!
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Hi san!
The God known as "Allah" is here, so is His hate speech in the Quran.
http//www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Quran-Hate.htm
Well I have read the Quran (albeit an English translation), the Bible and the Tanakh (once again, an English translation), No where do I see God saying he hates anyone.
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Hi san!
The God known as "Allah" is here, so is His hate speech in the Quran.
http//www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Quran-Hate.htm
Peace all,
Fawzia, are you having a problem to get over your Love for God, and that is why you keep posting the messages that made you question your love for Him? The reason I'm saying that you are "struggling with your feelings about God" is the Fact that you are here in this forum...it seems you are seeking the help of others to clarify the messages that caused you to feel this way...will, if this is true, then we will help you to understand the messages.
Please let us know if this is your case.
I can not imagine how anyone could not Love his or her Creator...The Creator Who knows You more than you know yourself...The One Who Will always be there for you when no one is...Peace, everyone!
I'm looking for God. Or His love--that's the only thing i have ever sensed of Him anyway.
And not-so-complicated story oversimplified--that's how i came to GOD alone.
So, is God here? Or His love?
Or at least, His lovers?
Mmm?
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Peace,
Great Post...May God reward you for it.
Question...Is Loving God is enough to Gain God's Love and Mercy? Hence, Do you think Satan Did not Love God? -
Peace, belH, terrific question!
Question...Is Loving God is enough to Gain God's Love and Mercy? Hence, Do you think Satan Did not Love God?
Well, i don't know what to say about satan's love story--i can only guess.
As for the expression "Loving God" as you said, is it merely an expression by words?
I found myself that merely saying 'i love God, i love God, i love God' all day is not enough, indeed. Well, that is quite helpful sometimes, but if i were saying 'i love God' and at the same time i were trying to excuse myself from following His clear message, then indeed i would be lying to myself. If i were to ensure God's love for me (and my love for God), then i must ensure that i follow His message. And His message leads His believers to actions.
If you follow the eight groups whom God explicitly expressed His love for, you will find that their descriptions is linked/related to each other. Their descriptions may not always sound like a direct order, but may also be more subtle. Suggestions from God that you will only take heed if you actually wanted to be like them.
For example Allah yuHibbu AlmuHsiniyn
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593note In some verses where AlmuHisiniyn (The Kind People, The Doers of Good/Kindness) is mentioned/referred to/described, Almuttaqiyn or the act of taqwa or reverence is also mentioned/referred to.
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And spend in the way of God and do not throw with your hands into destruction. And do good (AHsinuw!); indeed, Allah loves the doers of good (AlmuHsiniyn).3133-136
You should eagerly race towards forgiveness from your Lord and a Paradise whose width encompasses the heavens and the earth;
it awaits the Almuttaqiyn
who give to charity during the good times, as well as the bad times.
They are suppressors of anger,
and pardoners of the people.
GOD loves AlmuHsiniyn.
If they fall in sin or wrong their souls,
they remember GOD
and ask forgiveness for their sins -and who forgives the sins except GOD?-
and they do not persist in sins, knowingly.
Their recompense is forgiveness from their Lord, and
gardens with flowing streams; they abide therein forever.
What a blessed reward for the workers!note Here, descriptions of Almuttaqiyn are connected with AlmuHsiniyn--which is then described with the act of repentance/return (tawbah), indicating that it is also inseparable from Altawwabiyn.
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There is not upon those who believe and do righteous deeds ("amilu AlSalihat), any blame concerning what they have eaten
so long as they
reverence and believe and do righteous deeds,
then afterward, reverence and believe,
then afterward, reverence and do good (AHsanuw);
and GOD loves AlmuHsiniyn.note reverence (verb) = Ittaqaw (verb) ~ taqwa ~ Almuttaqiyn (The Reverends, the people who have taqwa)
If you want to know further about what Almuttaqiyn do, please read the comprehensive 2177 which is filled with suggested 'actions of reverence'.
please verify yourselves the verses above--translations used are bound to my subjectivity.
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Well I have read the Quran (albeit an English translation), the Bible and the Tanakh (once again, an English translation), No where do I see God saying he hates anyone.
Same here, Rev.John. I usually read from www.quran.com with the Arabic and several English translations to compare, and what i found is "does not love" (laa yuHibbu). Just a negation. The opposite of what is being talked in this thread.
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Say, "Obey God and the messenger."
But if they turn away - then indeed, God does not love the disbelievers.Moreover, there are verses where God expressed His strong warnings. As i recall, those are purely His warning and never expressed as His order upon believers (i.e., God Himself will perform His warning through a measure beyond human's ability). CMIIW. Believers are only ordered to pass on the warnings, along with the good news to those who choose to return.
To objectively observe the reason behind the strong warnings, however, would require a good will and a good patience.
Peace,
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Same here, Rev.John. I usually read from www.quran.com with the Arabic and several English translations to compare, and what i found is "does not love" (laa yuHibbu). Just a negation. The opposite of what is being talked in this thread.
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Say, "Obey God and the messenger."
But if they turn away - then indeed, God does not love the disbelievers.Moreover, there are verses where God expressed His strong warnings. As i recall, those are purely His warning and never expressed as His order upon believers (i.e., God Himself will perform His warning through a measure beyond human's ability). CMIIW. Believers are only ordered to pass on the warnings, along with the good news to those who choose to return.
To objectively observe the reason behind the strong warnings, however, would require a good will and a good patience.
Peace,
From my understanding, it seems that, as God is love, then He is incapable of hate. As you say, he can withdraw his love (or himself) from any transgressor, but never hate them.
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From my understanding, it seems that, as God is love, then He is incapable of hate. As you say, he can withdraw his love (or himself) from any transgressor, but never hate them.
You can say that "God doesn't love" , but you can't say "He hates"
Thats my understanding.
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Same here, Rev.John. I usually read from www.quran.com with the Arabic and several English translations to compare, and what i found is "does not love" (laa yuHibbu). Just a negation. The opposite of what is being talked in this thread.
Peace,
How about this3539 He is the One who made you successors on the earth. So, whoever rejects, then to him is his rejection. And the rejection of the rejecters only increases the abhorrence of their Lord towards them. The rejection of the rejecters only increases their loss.
3539This is worse than Hate.
Peace
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Peace,
How about this3539 He is the One who made you successors on the earth. So, whoever rejects, then to him is his rejection. And the rejection of the rejecters only increases the abhorrence of their Lord towards them. The rejection of the rejecters only increases their loss.
3539This is worse than Hate.
Peace
Peace,
Thank you belH, i found it now.
The keyword being hatred/abhorrence instead of hate (v). The order of the words, though, is more precisely
He is who made you successors on the earth.
Then whoever disbelieves, then on him his disbelieve.
And not increase-the disbelievers, their disbelieve at their Lord except abhorrence/hatred.
And not increase-the disbelievers, their disbelieve except loss.Now, could it be argued that there is a difference between "The Lord hates something" and "they increase hatred at their Lord's side"?
Yes, the notion of "abhorrence/hatred" is worse than "hate" (and i'm not familiar with the word maqtA).
Other occurences...
4010 Indeed, those who disbelieve will be addressed, "The hatred of Allah for you was greater than your hatred of yourselves when you were invited to faith, but you refused."
4035 Those who dispute concerning the signs of Allah without an authority having come to them - great is hatred in the sight of Allah and in the sight of those who have believed. Thus does Allah seal over every heart an arrogant tyrant.
613 Great is hatred in the sight of Allah that you say what you do not do.
(Please also observe the context! This is not addressed to disbelievers)Peace.