Hello... Is God here? Is Love here?
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Well I have read the Quran (albeit an English translation), the Bible and the Tanakh (once again, an English translation), No where do I see God saying he hates anyone.
Same here, Rev.John. I usually read from www.quran.com with the Arabic and several English translations to compare, and what i found is "does not love" (laa yuHibbu). Just a negation. The opposite of what is being talked in this thread.
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Say, "Obey God and the messenger."
But if they turn away - then indeed, God does not love the disbelievers.Moreover, there are verses where God expressed His strong warnings. As i recall, those are purely His warning and never expressed as His order upon believers (i.e., God Himself will perform His warning through a measure beyond human's ability). CMIIW. Believers are only ordered to pass on the warnings, along with the good news to those who choose to return.
To objectively observe the reason behind the strong warnings, however, would require a good will and a good patience.
Peace,
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Same here, Rev.John. I usually read from www.quran.com with the Arabic and several English translations to compare, and what i found is "does not love" (laa yuHibbu). Just a negation. The opposite of what is being talked in this thread.
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Say, "Obey God and the messenger."
But if they turn away - then indeed, God does not love the disbelievers.Moreover, there are verses where God expressed His strong warnings. As i recall, those are purely His warning and never expressed as His order upon believers (i.e., God Himself will perform His warning through a measure beyond human's ability). CMIIW. Believers are only ordered to pass on the warnings, along with the good news to those who choose to return.
To objectively observe the reason behind the strong warnings, however, would require a good will and a good patience.
Peace,
From my understanding, it seems that, as God is love, then He is incapable of hate. As you say, he can withdraw his love (or himself) from any transgressor, but never hate them.
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From my understanding, it seems that, as God is love, then He is incapable of hate. As you say, he can withdraw his love (or himself) from any transgressor, but never hate them.
You can say that "God doesn't love" , but you can't say "He hates"
Thats my understanding.
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Same here, Rev.John. I usually read from www.quran.com with the Arabic and several English translations to compare, and what i found is "does not love" (laa yuHibbu). Just a negation. The opposite of what is being talked in this thread.
Peace,
How about this3539 He is the One who made you successors on the earth. So, whoever rejects, then to him is his rejection. And the rejection of the rejecters only increases the abhorrence of their Lord towards them. The rejection of the rejecters only increases their loss.
3539This is worse than Hate.
Peace
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Peace,
How about this3539 He is the One who made you successors on the earth. So, whoever rejects, then to him is his rejection. And the rejection of the rejecters only increases the abhorrence of their Lord towards them. The rejection of the rejecters only increases their loss.
3539This is worse than Hate.
Peace
Peace,
Thank you belH, i found it now.
The keyword being hatred/abhorrence instead of hate (v). The order of the words, though, is more precisely
He is who made you successors on the earth.
Then whoever disbelieves, then on him his disbelieve.
And not increase-the disbelievers, their disbelieve at their Lord except abhorrence/hatred.
And not increase-the disbelievers, their disbelieve except loss.Now, could it be argued that there is a difference between "The Lord hates something" and "they increase hatred at their Lord's side"?
Yes, the notion of "abhorrence/hatred" is worse than "hate" (and i'm not familiar with the word maqtA).
Other occurences...
4010 Indeed, those who disbelieve will be addressed, "The hatred of Allah for you was greater than your hatred of yourselves when you were invited to faith, but you refused."
4035 Those who dispute concerning the signs of Allah without an authority having come to them - great is hatred in the sight of Allah and in the sight of those who have believed. Thus does Allah seal over every heart an arrogant tyrant.
613 Great is hatred in the sight of Allah that you say what you do not do.
(Please also observe the context! This is not addressed to disbelievers)Peace.
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Selam San
I get that all the time on here. It must be because we are gentlemen and people find it hard to tell gender when you are a gentlemen writing in a forum laugh peace
Peace
Yes may because we are not sending private messages so they think we are f-mail rotfl
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Yes may because we are not sending private messages so they think we are f-mail rotfl
Or maybe, in Hope4 case, his name (i swear i see a female Hope somewhere in the forum),
in my case, maybe it's something i written touched her female sense then made her 'see things'
as for you, afridi, i don't know, your accuser RH is a male, though perhaps not a usual one