Abortion is Murder, IF...

Rev_John

From http//www.yuksel.org/e/religion/unorthodox.htm#ABORTION

Abortion is murder IF it is committed after the first trimester unless the mother's life is in danger. I do not recommend or even suggest abortion; but I believe that it should remain an option especially for the victims of traumatic circumstances, such as rape or incest.

The taking of any life must be murder. But having said that I agree that abortion should be an option, but only for the mother, if giving birth will endanger her life or other traumatic circumstances.

RA786

So really then According to your Article, and the Quran as you have posted...

You basically can get pregnant Millions of times and have as much Abortions as you want.
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I dont know man, it looks like a baby in there....whether or not it has a "Soul" or is By Definition in Webesters "A Child"..>I guess Id consider it a child.
So the Technically, If Someone was to Assault a Pregnant woman and Kill her Embryo, then Technically he didnt Kill her baby and is Innocent of Child Murder.
He then is really only guilty of Battery (physical assault).

So then Technically, a Woman can smoke Marijuana and or Tobacco (depending on your View of the Quran on smoking) wile she is in her 1st Trimester.
So then Technically, a woman can just go happily get 27 abortions if she wanted to?

Here is my new Question then...

If the Woman was NOT raped and was NOT subject to Incest...Can she still have an Abortion because of Fear of not being able to Have Financial Funds to take care of her soon to be baby?

I mean, in the Ayat, It Specifically says, "For Fear of Poverty"....So if the reason why she was having an abortion was because of "Fear of Poverty" does this make her Guilty?

I mean, Statistically, It would seem that MOST Abortions that Happen these days are because of Fear of Poverty...wile Rape and Insect are Present but are a Minority.

Just a thought !

zubairus

Brother Edip,

What a comprehensive work. I am studying your write up on abortion after which I may ask some questions.

ZUBAIRUS

aynur

Interesting... every time I read 4615 I was a bit confused, thinking - pregnancy is not 6 months... this makes perfect sense. Also it seems like the heartbeat is heard very easily/strongly around that time as well.... and the risk of miscarriage is much less at that point.

Bobo

Killing a baby because it's unborn and doesn't have a soul is like killing a man and saying - he would've died eventually.

MUNZIR_ALI

Killing a baby because it's unborn and doesn't have a soul is like killing a man and saying - he would've died eventually.

bravo

aynur

Killing a baby because it's unborn and doesn't have a soul is like killing a man and saying - he would've died eventually.

Well, we know from the Qur'an that the baby develops in stages. It is not just given a soul from the moment it's a clot of blood.

Roshan

Peace

On 2314 - I had misplaced this quote and had been looking for it for ages! Thanks for providing it. I had been attempting to verify whether the bones develop first followed by the skin.

However, most embryology text books to not go into such chronological detail, but merely go through the development different systems (neurological, urogenital etc.).

However, something I found today may well show that the Quran was right

http//www.childdevelopmentinfo.com/development/prenataldevelopment.shtml.

I am not sure about your subtraction method yet, but the Quran is clear that after flesh has formed than the creation is now a creature. Once I get the subtraction method, it will be interesting to compare how the two dates are aligned (scientific knowledge v Quranic).

Roshan

zubairus

Brother Edip,

Is there any evidence that an unborn baby gaine personhood 3months prior to birth? I will say no.
And the merciful lord say, the god brought you from the womb of your mother while you do not know anything. Meaning we only become conscious after delivery.
Abortion therefore at any stage is not murder.
THINK ABOUT IT.

ZUBAIRUS.

Bobo

Well, we know from the Qur'an that the baby develops in stages. It is not just given a soul from the moment it's a clot of blood.

We all used to be clots of blood. Imagine if any of us here were aborted. Or imagine if out of all the babies aborted one of them would've cured a deadly illness. OR if one of your soul mates were aborted a long time ago? - Bye bye love of your life -[ .
I'm not saying I would lose my mind and go berserk if someone was to have an abortion but it saddens me.
And if a person don't feel like having safe sex, and they end up pregnant, they should live with the consequences. Too bad you can't abort an STD, right .

But of course my opinion isn't final. If for instance a 13-year old girl would become pregnant I guess she should have an abortion if the baby is really really tiny - although I don't see any reason for a 13-year old girl to do the nasty-nasty.
And considering one of earths many problems is overpopulation. But that's another issue - ppl shouldn't have too many babies.
Or if they find out that the baby in any way has any kind of problem or difference before birth - I mean you wouldn't want a child to go through life feeling not normal... or is it cruel of me to say so?

Well that's only my personal opinion - every women with an unplanned pregnancy knows herself the best and whether she feels it's a good enough world to bring a child into or not.

Peace!

RA786

And considering one of earths many problems is overpopulation. But that's another issue - ppl shouldn't have too many babies.

I think that is a myth spread by the elite! we only use like 1-3% of the land on earth. There is turly enough land and water/resources for all of Humanity.
Allah wouldnt place us on a small earth that cant even hold us. lol.
I was reading some articles saying how there is totally Enough Land and resources, its just that the 1% of Rich elite who rule the world and own all of it, want to tell you there is only a small amount, so that you will pay extra for it.
Its like, They purposly make it a scarce nesseseity in order to ensure a great need and extra pay from all the slaves. There is no such thing as Overpopulated.
Its just Badily managed. D

Roshan

Well, we know from the Qur'an that the baby develops in stages. It is not just given a soul from the moment it's a clot of blood.

Peace

The Arabic word you refer to actually seems to mean 'something that clings'. This is scientifically accurate from the histological point of view too.

Roshan

RA786

So If we are now to say that Abortions are totally 100% Halal because technically they dont have a soul...

I question now... Why would Allah Allow us to do sothing that is totally unsafe for us?

For instance, if an Abortion is totally Halal...
Then, think about how they used to have abortions in the old days...They would stick a metal (hanger) like thing up there and kill the baby.
Which is very unsanatary and unsafe,

So now in Modern times, We develope Machines to make Abortions Possible in the Cleanest and Safest ways.
But unfortunatly there are still a GREAT number of Risks involved even in these procedures.

Could it be that the only reason why "you" (in general) think that an Abortion is Halal is because you want to make it Acceptible?
Not only making the Process Safer and more convienient, but also trying to use The Quran to support this Process.

It would seem like Common Sense that in Muhammads Time, Abortion was NOT an Option and NOT a method Chosen.
So what makes it okay now? Technology?

In the Quran Children are mentioned as being either A) Raised..... or B) Orphanes that need to be taken care of...
The other time was when it says"'Do not kill your children".
This would lead me to believe those are your two options...but thats just me.

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