62:5 donkey carrying books...
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can you change the tittle of the topic. because the aya is not about donkey carrying books in fact the verse is about donkey carrying asfara "' which means baggages for a trip or whatever.
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@ nsws1988 and afridi220 you both should learn something from brother ayyub and sister Ayisha. Thats how you should be responding to a question when asked.
@ ayyub
you are right brother, I have noticed that kind of behaviour quite often.
Thank you for your thoughts, however I have a question What if we are quran alone and don't agree with hadthi Islam but still we don't follow what we believe in. do we still fall under that description?
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can you change the tittle of the topic. because the aya is not about donkey carrying books in fact the verse is about donkey carrying asfara "' which means baggages for a trip or whatever.
I compared different translations brother and they all says books but however if you are right then how do you make sense of this verse. thanks for pointing out!
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can you change the tittle of the topic. because the aya is not about donkey carrying books in fact the verse is about donkey carrying asfara "' which means baggages for a trip or whatever.
(5) The case of those who were charged to observe (the law of) Torah but did not carry out (its commandments in its true spirit), is like the case of a donkey that carries (a load of) volumes (of Books; he neither understands them nor gathers any advantage from them). Wretched is the case of the people who cry lies to the Message of All?h. And All?h guides no unjust people to success. - Amatul Rahman Omar
I don't speak Arabic, but from what I see in this translation it is implied that what is being carried (in the baggage) is books.
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@ nsws1988 and afridi220 you both should learn something from brother ayyub and sister Ayisha. Thats how you should be responding to a question when asked.
@ ayyub
you are right brother, I have noticed that kind of behaviour quite often.
Thank you for your thoughts, however I have a question What if we are quran alone and don't agree with hadthi Islam but still we don't follow what we believe in. do we still fall under that description?
ooh a thought provoking question i need my brian for this one ;D
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@ nsws1988 and afridi220 you both should learn something from brother ayyub and sister Ayisha. Thats how you should be responding to a question when asked.
@ ayyub
you are right brother, I have noticed that kind of behaviour quite often.
Thank you for your thoughts, however I have a question What if we are quran alone and don't agree with hadthi Islam but still we don't follow what we believe in. do we still fall under that description?
I would think you should follow what you believe in your heart to be the will of the one God, as long you are sincere in your heart (I think this would apply to those outside Islam. However if the truth is clearly revealed to you and you reject it for whatever reason, you would be held accountable.)
May Allah bless us and forever guide us closer to the truth.
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Thereformer, that's a very good point. Asfar is not books. Maybe it's travel loads.
How would you translate 'bi aydee safarah' (80/15).
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Dear where did you find this meanings "baggage for a trip"?
Yes, Asfara "" is the baggages of a trip or the arabic word is "" which means also the baggeges. where did I find it ? did you forget that I'm Arabic, mostly God SWT gave me a gift in giving the right meanings of the word especially in Quran, I can understand a lot of words in classic Arabic plus my education which was very well in Arabic. Anyways let's move to the word
the word "" is typically a kind of plural but is different from the normal plural, this plural we called it " " whic is two types, one depends on hearing and one depends on measurement, and when you use this type of plural you feel that the word has broken and it turned to something else in its meaning but in fact the word stay in a connexion with the root of the word >> the root of this word is "" which means the trip or travel and the verb is "" which means he went in a trip .
the word "" is a noun and the plural of this noun is " " and this is a normal plural not the one that I have stated before .
this word "" means also the baggage but it always comes and the plural " " and we have to say " " or "" which both of them means the same thing which is baggages .
this word "" is from clasic Arabic, the new word which is also classic but still in use and modern Arabic too is "" or "".
ah by the way >>>> why would a Donkey carry a book ? hmm
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did you forget that I'm Arabic, mostly Gog give me a gift in giving the right meanings of the word especiallt in Quran,
didnt give you much help in English though huh? (ah by the way >>>> why would a Donkey carry a book ? hmm
yes, if it was in the baggage
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Thereformer, that's a very good point. Asfar is not books. Maybe it's travel loads.
ok, thanks .
How would you translate 'bi aydee safarah' (80/15).
ah about this one " " or "bi Aydee Safarah" which means the in hands of angels . the adjectif of this word is "" or "safir" which means ambassador and the plural of this word is "" or "Safarah" which means " Ambassadors" .
and you know that the ambassador is a connexion between two countries and he travel between them, and the verse is the same meaning the ambassadors between God and the prophets are the angels and if you look back for the precedent verses of the same sura you'll find that God talks about his books which they are carried by angels to human . so the word Safarah means Angels because they carry books of God and they are the connexion between God and people .
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didnt give you much help in English though huh? (
what do you mean ? is there any problem in my english or you didn't understand what I said ?
yes, if it was in the baggage
I don't understand what do you mean ?
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Yes, Asfara "" is the baggages of a trip or the arabic word is "" which means also the baggeges. where did I find it ? did you forget that I'm Arabic, mostly God SWT gave me a gift in giving the right meanings of the word especially in Quran, I can understand a lot of words in classic Arabic plus my education which was very well in Arabic. Anyways let's move to the word
the word "" is typically a kind of plural but is different from the normal plural, this plural we called it " " whic is two types, one depends on hearing and one depends on measurement, and when you use this type of plural you feel that the word has broken and it turned to something else in its meaning but in fact the word stay in a connexion with the root of the word >> the root of this word is "" which means the trip or travel and the verb is "" which means he went in a trip .
the word "" is a noun and the plural of this noun is " " and this is a normal plural not the one that I have stated before .
this word "" means also the baggage but it always comes and the plural " " and we have to say " " or "" which both of them means the same thing which is baggages .
this word "" is from clasic Arabic, the new word which is also classic but still in use and modern Arabic too is "" or "".
ah by the way >>>> why would a Donkey carry a book ? hmm
The basic perception infolded in the Root is to remove the veil or covering from something so as to make it distinctly evident and visible.
It is also employed for sweeping since by removing away the dust etc the surface becomes evidently visible.
It is used for indicating that the wind scattered away the clouds, and here too, the original perception of the Root remains predominant, it makes the sky evidently visible.
refers to a person who is journeying . A man coming out of his house and on road becomes visible to others.
means food which a passenger takes along from his house
It nowhere is used for "Baggage".
Perception of the Root is evident from this verse
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This Root has been used 12 times in the Grand Qur'aan.
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For reason of someone suffering from disease or being in journey then completing of the count is in later days .http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/034.%20Saba/34.19.gif
Thereat they said, "Our Sustainer Lord! extend far between/for our journeys". And they did wrong to their selves,http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/034.%20Saba/034.%20B%20Saba.htm
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The basic perception infolded in the Root is to remove the veil or covering from something so as to make it distinctly evident and visible.
It is also employed for sweeping since by removing away the dust etc the surface becomes evidently visible.
It is used for indicating that the wind scattered away the clouds, and here too, the original perception of the Root remains predominant, it makes the sky evidently visible.
refers to a person who is journeying . A man coming out of his house and on road becomes visible to others.
means food which a passenger takes along from his house
It nowhere is used for "Baggage".
Perception of the Root is evident from this verseYou're using Lissan Al Arab " " >>> I don't know what to say, it is a good book for getting the meanings of the word but there is lack of a lot of words and also some meanings are not good.
so my explanation is good and God knows . by the way the baggages can be books for example . so as I said the meaning of the word is baggages and they could be everything (books, rubbish, fornitures, ..etc).
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I don't speak Arabic, but from what I see in this translation it is implied that what is being carried (in the baggage) is books.
Yes, you're right I've just forgot that what is being carried in the baggages are books or something else because Donkey can carry everything but in the verse it means that the donkey carry baggage of books .
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You're using Lissan Al Arab " " >>> I don't know what to say, it is a good book for getting the meanings of the word but there is lack of a lot of words and also some meanings are not good.
so my explanation is good and God knows . by the way the baggages can be books for example . so as I said the meaning of the word is baggages and they could be everything (books, rubbish, fornitures, ..etc).
I merely use all books to take assistance, but consider as Authority, only the Grand Qur'aan which narrates and defines the meanings and perception of its words itself.
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Had the gain been in sight/near and the journey was easy moderate distance indeed they would have physically followed you but the distance was long/hard for them.
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Thereafter when they had passed away that point he said for his servant, "Bring us our early lunch, indeed we have suffered/faced fatigue in our present journey".http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/018.%20Al%20Kahf/018.%20F%20Al%20Kahf.htm
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written on papers; considered exalted/life saving and kept at elevated places, purified; upon which this Qur'aan is written by the hands of those honourable, pious and just writers who write nicely making every word evident/prominent/unveiled.