My journey to a free mind
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I have been reading and visiting this ste for some time now and have decided to register at last, I am based in middle England.
After reading the Quran and comparing faiths I decided to submit to Allah and follow his guidance as per the Quran in 1989. I married in 1990 and noted that my wife's family were and still are staunch Sunnis, which I became embroiled in. After many years of involvement in a number on Sunni sects and organisations I became somewhat bemused by all that I have witnessed and learnt and decided about 10 years ago to step away from hadith based teachings due to much suspicion and its lack of clarity plus inumerous corruptions. I took some time out from work and family life and came to the conclusion that I should only be following Allahs guidance through the Quran. My visits to the Masjid became rare and this truly showed me the lack of love that my local fellow Sunnis had, for I was never visited and called upon by them, to be quite honest I could have passed away and nobody would have noticed. I started to follow the Quran only and found myself in a place I wish I had been at the beginning after I had married, this place is perfect and I now try to aid others in my beliefs.
About 3 years ago I was asked by a well known local Muslim if I was interested in helping with a new Muslim organisation set up by differing Muslims as the local Masjid was a very closed shop and ran by a small gang of tight-knit individuals who had no vision. After much consideration and questioning I agreed and to my surprise I have encountered 1 local Muslim who has the same thoughts as me and follows Quran only, we have developed a wonderful friendship, I have now also met a number of Muslims who are going through similar phases in their lives and we have been guiding them through the Quran, this has opened their minds up and they are quite shocked when they think deeply about their own blinded beliefs they had.
Visiting this website is of great benefit and knowing their is a community of like-minded people out their is good to know.
I am the happiest I have been and although I have cut my story very short I hope it gives you a flavour of my journey. Peace to you all.welcome bro. bravo
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ok let me remind you that hadiths divided to "Sahih" , "Hassan", "Ada'ef" . I'm challenging you about hadiths put a hadith Sahih or Hassan and let me see where this corruption is ?
Salam Thereformer1
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You said you're following God isn't ? ok let's see how ?
How do you interpret the verses in Quran ?
38/29 - (This is) a Book (the Quran) which We have sent down to you, full of blessings that they may ponder over its Verses, and that men of understanding may remember
So don't worry about it, reformer. You may find an ayat like 'do good to your parents' as very very difficult to understand, but some of us are perfectly ok with it.
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Assalamu aleikum, brother..
Welcome Free minds..
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38/29 - (This is) a Book (the Quran) which We have sent down to you, full of blessings that they may ponder over its Verses, and that men of understanding may remember
So don't worry about it, reformer. You may find an ayat like 'do good to your parents' as very very difficult to understand, but some of us are perfectly ok with it.
hahah, I think you didn't read the verse , what a joke . God said " we have sent down (Quran) to you" Quran is an Arabic language. And then God said " They may ponder over its verse" so he is talking to Arabs because the language of Quran is their language .
my question Again >>> how do you translated the verses ?
P.S we don't take wisdom from Ignorance.
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God said " we have sent down (Quran) to you" Quran is an Arabic language. And then God said " They may ponder over its verse" so he is talking to Arabs because the language of Quran is their language .
So you are suggesting all the verses that ask the believers to reflect on the Qur'an are only speaking to / about Arabs?
That does not make any sense at all. nope
Will they not then ponder on the Qur'an?
482A Book that We have sent down to you, that is blessed, so that they may reflect upon its revelations, and so that those who possess intelligence will take heed.
3829In this, there are sufficient proofs for people who think.
3021We thus explain the revelations for people who reflect.
1024Do they not ponder over the Word (of God) ... ?
2368Say, "I ask you to do one thing Devote yourselves to God, in pairs or as individuals, then reflect. ...
3446Thus clearly do We spell out these messages unto people who think!
1024Had We sent down this Quran on a mountain, you would certainly have seen it falling down, splitting asunder because of the fear of Allah, and We set forth these parables to men that they may reflect.
5921(It is) a Book We have revealed to you abounding in good that they may ponder over its verses, and that those endowed with understanding may be mindful.
3829Why do they not study the Quran carefully? Do they have locks on their hearts?
4724He causes to grow for you thereby herbage, and the olives, and the palm trees, and the grapes, and of all the fruits; most surely there is a sign in this for a people who reflect.
1611And He committed for you the night and the day, and the sun and the moon,
and the stars are committed by His command. In that are signs for a people who comprehend.
1612And what He has created in the earth of varied hues most surely there is a sign in this for a people who are mindful.
1613Tell , then, this story, so that they might take thought."
7176in this, behold, there is a message indeed for people who think!"
1611so that thou might make clear unto mankind all that has ever been thus bestowed upon them, and that they might take thought."
1644In all this, behold, there is a message indeed for people who think!
1669In this, behold, there are messages indeed for people who think!
3942And He has made subservient to you, from Himself, all that is in the heavens and on earth in this, behold, there are messages indeed for people who think!
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So you are suggesting all the verses that ask the believers to reflect on the Qur'an are only speaking to / about Arabs?
The Arabs are the persons that should interpret the verses and explain to people, not an english man who converted to Islam and instead of learning the arabic language he began translating and making books about Quran and he doesn't know a word in Arabic.
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The Arabs are the persons that should interpret the verses and explain to people
No. Every believing, thinking person is asked to reflect on the Qur'an (and the world around us).
The verses above clearly show this. There is nothing in the Qur'an that says only Arabs are allowed to interpret it. Neither does it say that being a native Arab is a precondition for understanding God's message.
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Leyna, here's another verse to help our Arabocentric friend
41/44 Had We sent this as a Qur'an (in the language) other than Arabic, they would have said "Why are not its verses explained in detail? What! (a Book) not in Arabic and (a Messenger an Arab?" Say "It is a Guide and a Healing to those who believe; and for those who believe not, there is a deafness in their ears, and it is blindness in their (eyes) They are (as it were) being called from a place far distant!"
That's why, despite the fact the Arab sunnis know what 'laa ikaraha fee ad-deen' means, they reject it and call to kill people who leave Islam!
Thereformer probably forgot that TILL TODAY, the Arabs are arguing over what Alif Laam Meem means! They disagree all the time about meaning of words even ROOTS of words. But that's ok, cuz they're Arabs right? Talk about racism
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No. Every believing, thinking person is asked to reflect on the Qur'an (and the world around us).
Every believing who studied the language and the fiqh of Quran and sunnah , not every nuts including you and your prophet khalifah and your leader of "" .
did you study the language ? did you study Quran (the Fiqh of Quran )? did you study the sunnah (the fiqh of sunnah)? I don't think so >>> your teacher is the Satan.
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Reformer, can you please tell us from ur 'fiqh al-quran' how many ayat are MANSUKH? I didn't think so, lol.
Perhaps you should it call 'ghair fiqh al-quran'?
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Thereformer probably forgot that TILL TODAY, the Arabs are arguing over what Alif Laam Meem means! They disagree all the time about meaning of words even ROOTS of words. But that's ok, cuz they're Arabs right? Talk about racism P
"The difference is a virtue" I think you didn't learn this in school . And why arabs disagree because everyone of Arabs has its own language , there are seven way and letters(not letters literally)of Arabic language in reading it and interpret the word, you don't know these things, try to keep your fingers in your nose instead of the keyboard.
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Reformer, can you please tell us from ur 'fiqh al-quran' how many ayat are MANSUKH? I didn't think so, lol.
Until you understand the word Mansukh, you'll find the answer yourself . hmm
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"The difference is a virtue" I think you didn't learn this in school . And why arabs disagree because everyone of Arabs has its own language , there are seven way and letters(not letters literally)of Arabic language in reading it and interpret the word, you don't know these things, try to keep your fingers in your nose instead of the keyboard.
No wonder the Arabs have made such a mess of it then, they cant even understand their own language never mind interpret what God meant by His words without hadith to follow so they can understand it WRONGLY
You deny every verse thats put to you yet you have not managed to say WHY
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Virtue? So for YOU GUYS its a virtue but when we disagree, its from shaitan?
Your differences show that you guys don't own a single truth. We don't either but it's ok, we don't claim to be God's chosen race. Sorry mate, you go find out a mutawatir meaning for Alif laam meem and i'll become a sunni.
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Every believing who studied the language and the fiqh of Quran and sunnah
No, the verses are clear. That is not what they say. If you believe those verses are lying, then please post one that says "in order to reflect on the Qur'an you have to be an Arab, and you must have studied language, fiqh and sunnah first."
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No, the verses are clear. That is not what they say. If you believe those verses are lying, then please post one that says "in order to reflect on the Qur'an you have to be an Arab, and you must have studied language, fiqh and sunnah first."
I think he will only find that IN hadith rotfl