Quranists became Quranists because of their lack of understanding Quran.
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But that's what your statement implied. So you should have asked first before giving a fatwa about women being prohibited to mention their shower.
;Dmy statement didn't entirely imply that, please read it again or ask your friend Ayisha. thanks
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you are a woman you tell me?
She is womanish . rotfl
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Wa Alaykom Asalam .
first of all do you know the hadith is about what ?
second of all I didn't find any thing strange in your red bolded sentence . Can you ask your question ?
this the hadith in Arabic and he is talking aboutsee above . The prophet is talking about conditions that have been dictated from the family of Burayra that were dectating conditions against the shari'ah (Quran shari'ah), so here God said do not accept these conditions that are against sharii'ah of Quran . and by the way the subject is about " ".
The condtions were from the family of Burayra that are against the Quran shari'ah . You didn't understand the subject of the hadith . what do you finc not good ?
I didn't find any thing strange in this hadiths all of them, and they are talking about " " and the wisdom of Burayra when she asked Aishah about Help and then Aisha went to ask the prophet about conditions that were giving from the family of Buraiyra and he said that are against the shariha of Quran and don't accept them .
Is that too hard to understand .I got it now! http//foolstown.com/sm/ura1.gif Dont accept anything thats not in Quran from this family but from everyone else its ok bravo
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I mean by Idle , your best example in learning and seeking the truth .
idle
?adjective
- not working or active; unemployed; doing nothing idle workers.
- not spent or filled with activity idle hours.
- not in use or operation; not kept busy idle machinery.
- habitually doing nothing or avoiding work; lazy.
- of no real worth, importance, or significance idle talk.
- having no basis or reason; baseless; groundless idle fears.
- frivolous; vain idle pleasures.
- meaningless; senseless idle threats.
- futile; unavailing idle rage.
?verb (used without object)
- to pass time doing nothing.
- to move, loiter, or saunter aimlessly to idle along the avenue.
- (of a machine, engine, or mechanism) to operate at a low speed, disengaged from the load.
?verb (used with object)
- to pass (time) doing nothing (often fol. by away) to idle away the afternoon.
- to cause (a person) to be idle The strike idled many workers.
- to cause (a machine, engine, or mechanism) to idle I waited in the car while idling the engine.
?noun
- the state or quality of being idle.
- the state of a machine, engine, or mechanism that is idling a cold engine that stalls at idle.
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The title by itself is hillarious! rotfl
Yeah sure, because is describing you and persons like you
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my statement didn't entirely imply that, please read it again or ask your friend Ayisha. thanks
I don't need to ask Ayisha, I'm a woman and I talk to women all the time. yay
So my answer is -- yes, women can get turned on by a naked man in the shower too. So your fatwa should be for both men and women.
yes
However, I am referring to an actual man you actually see. Not to imagining someone whom you have never met taking a shower. So imho there is no valid reason to forbid people from mentioning their shower on a public board.
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Umar also said 'hasbuna kitab Allah' (enough for us is the book of Allah) - consult the shia about this, they have the incident very well documented to prove Umar rejected the Prophet, hehe.
he never said that . The book of Shia'a are full of adds-on and they make up a lot of the stories of hadith .
Plus all the ahadith of the Shi'a are not ending by "the prophet said" go figure . it seems you're confusing between books of shia'a and book of Sunnah .
What you said about "very well documented" is basically fake because they made up these things to show that Ali is the one who chosen by God to lead the Umma after the death of the prophet . One more thing Shi'a hate all the Sahaba that are not from family of the prophet .
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I don't need to ask Ayisha, I'm a woman and I talk to women all the time. yay
yea i know women talk all the time! rotfl
hardly anytime left to think?
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I mean by Idle , your best example in learning and seeking the truth . while you're here the whole day without sleeping and without making breakfast to your husband neither dinner , neither ................etc .
The correct word is IDOL, I am certainly not 'idle' and I doubt Sarah is either.
I have slept and who makes food and when in our house is our business and not yours.
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The correct word is IDOL, I am certainly not 'idle' and I doubt Sarah is either.
I have slept and who makes food and when in our house is our business and not yours.
http//foolstown.com/sm/box2.gifI think he meant sarah is idle on the forum and you should follow her, go and do something for your family and not waste time on the forum perhaps? -\
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he never said that . The book of Shia'a are full of adds-on and they make up a lot of the stories of hadith .
so does abu hurairah et alPlus all the ahadith of the Shi'a are not ending by "the prophet said" go figure . it seems you're confusing between books of shia'a and book of Sunnah .
seems you too are confused as not all hadith in bukhari and muslim etc start or end with 'the prophet said' eitherWhat you said about "very well documented" is basically fake because they made up these things to show that Ali is the one who chosen by God to lead the Umma after the death of the prophet . One more thing Shi'a hate all the Sahaba that are not from family of the prophet .
Just like your 'very well documented' and 'scholars with knowledge' are fake because they made up these things to lead away from Quran. Sunni hate shia and anyone not sunni, not much difference really -
I think he meant sarah is idle on the forum and you should follow her, go and do something for your family and not waste time on the forum perhaps? -\
My husband has just gone out and im not wasting time here, I am learning a great deal AND I am working at the same time.
women can multi-task you know http//foolstown.com/sm/web.gif
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And we are thus contributing to this conversation which you are so thoroughly enjoying. Isn't that great?
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its time to move on!
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2572hLy7AA
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In war, not in Islam .
read this
And hold fast, all together, by the rope which Allah (stretches out for you), and be not divided among yourselves; and remember with gratitude Allah's favour on you; for ye were enemies and He joined your hearts in love, so that by His Grace, ye became brethren; and ye were on the brink of the pit of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus doth Allah make His Signs clear to you That ye may be guided.
"Verily those who split up their religion and became sects, you have absolutely nothing to do with them."
you see what God said about who split up and became sects . He orders us (you have absolutely nothing to do with them).
You're a sect that has been slpited up not me .
Subhanallah POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK rotfl laugh
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Salam Thereformer1
Wa Alaykom Asalam
Now if 'quranists' have a lack of understanding of alquran, do you then claim the sunni's or other traditionalists have a true pure understanding of alquran all because of hadith?
No, not everything up to hadith, Do you know how must be the interpreting of Quran ? there are rules, do you know them?
P.S I want your answer, don't go look on the internet .
Why is it that people like you claim your sect have the greatest understanding? i mean if you were so great i'd assume a muslim state with pure true islamic laws would be implemented. there are so many of you and if you have grasped the quran so wonderfully i wonder what is the hold up?
These answers are already answered, please read the thread .
Not all hadith interpret quran, alot is subjective to scholarly opinion and lack of hadith.
Yes, you're right. Not all of hadith interpret the Quran , did I say the opposite ? there are other things that hadith stated not existed in Quran literally .
not all hadith is in relation to quranic verses, for what purpose are those hadiths?
The purpose is the second ligeslations after the first ligeslations from God . And the second ligeslations are the ligeslations that are God left for prophet to point the out to human and give them the ability to "" and find ligeslations according to the book of Allah. so basically the second ligeslation and the ligeslations that will the Sahaba made are according to the book of Allah .
also early muslims lived without ahadith do you claim theyre not good enough?
Examples ? please . the verse is clear who created a sect alone he is not from Muslims . Or he will be by definition .
I could use your argument against your sect and it would be more relevant, let me demonstrate; because of the close of ijtihad majority of Muslims have resulted to taqleed and have blindly followed medieval scholars. apparently today we're all too human to be appropriate scholars.. back then there were some other kind of humans, must have been the water or something? so anyway because of our lack of understanding and lack of willingness to learn and take on ijtihad to obtain truth because under some invisible doctrine it's haram, Muslims do taqleed to understand quran. without taqleed the muslims would have to rely on studying and learning about truth. of course you have a minority who believe that taqleed is wrong, yet they still implement taqleed by blindly following scholarly work without re-evaluate it or verifying work
what do you mean by Taqleed ? and who are the scholars that are "Moqaledin" ? and please I'm waiting to use my arguments against my sect , let's see your understanding of the thread .
So what's the truth? majority of Muslims result in blind following others, by blind following others and by blind following others who apparently claim to have studied and verified the truth. When is a Muslim going to step up and prove this so called truth of the medieval scholars? BTW accepting someone's work on the grounds of "they're more knowledgeable" doesn't prove anything that's not a valid claim.
peace.As I see, you didn't understand the Thread . You know that the scholars know that any word from them can mislead people and can makes them the dweller of hell. So let's see one knows that if he say a word will be killed, so he will see this word or not ? the answer is by Yes, or no ..your answer will make you understand, if not I have nothing to do . you're in your own, and I'm in my own
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The ?fundamentals of Islam? is never even discussed by the majority of the Muslims. Most Muslims are content running their lives under the ulema. Don?t speak in their name.
No, it is . I think you should read the verse . By the way in arabic is too specific and with strong meanings, I imply that the language is the barrier for you .
Quranists are NOT a new sect. You only need to lie to comfort your ego which is obviously unable to deal with us. We?ve been there from the beginning. Our leader was the Prophet himself.
I don't need to lie to say that I'm right . The white page doesn't need someone to correct it, because there is nothing in it.
If your leader was the prophet as you claimed what do you sayd about this- With clear signs and Books (We sent the Messengers). And We have also sent down unto you (O Muhammad م the Dhikr , that you may explain clearly to men what is sent down to them, and that they may give thought."
46/9 Say "I am no bringer of new-fangled doctrine among the messengers, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you( . I follow but that which is revealed to me by inspiration
this verse is for the Jewish and Christians and the non-believers .Because they have accused the prophet of bringing a new thing to prevent them for praying to their gods and to separate them from their families.
He then made predictions about the future like nostradamous?! This is as bad as the flying donkey story. Btw, that?s what a buraq is, reformer. The Prophet wrote the buraq to heaven to meet Allah.
I said respect the Angel Gabriel, he is the one who holds the prophet .And the word Buraq doesn't mean Donkey .
and if you don't believe this story, well you have just denied what God said about this story Read- Glorified (and Exalted) be He (All?h) Who took His slave (Muhammad م for a journey by night from Al-Masjid-al-Har?m (at Makkah) to Al-Masjid-al-Aqs? (in Jerusalem), the neighbourhood whereof We have blessed, in order that We might show him (Muhammad م of Our Ay?t (proofs, evidence, lessons, signs, etc.). Verily, He is the All-Hearer, the All-Seer.
Narrated J?bir bin ?Abdull?h that he heard All?h?s Messenger saying, "When the people of Quraish did not believe me , I stood up in Al-Hijr and All?h displayed Jerusalem in front of me, and I began describing it to them while I was looking at it. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol.5, Hadith No.226).
Look at how this person twists the ayat of Allah. He should be ashamed of himself. The ayah says ?aqtasimoo bi hablillahi jami?a? (hold fast by the rope of Allah together? and this person says this means we join hands with the LARGEST GROUP.
hhahahaha, do you know what the word means by " Bi Habli Lahii jamii'ah"? do you know the meaning of "Hable"(the rode)"? do you know what God means by the word "I'etasimo" ?
I think the verse that you have stated is translated word by word, which is not allowed and which is not going to give you the real meanings of the words . well that's not a surprise for me , it is where exactely your lack of understanding of the words of Allah standing.
Where is the largest group even mentioned here?!
The point is do not be sects .
Naturally? What?s so natural about it? At one point there were over 500 madhabs (consult Prof Mashood Baderin ? Human Rights and Islam) but it was the Abbasids who were trying to gain popular support who supported the Sunnis and allowed them to become the majority (consult The Formative Period of Islamic Thought by WM Watts).
So how do we know who is splitting up from whom?Well, first of all when you are going to talk about History , please try to know the different stages of every nations that have passed and their reasons of being in that way or in the other way . The reason that Abbaseyine got supported is because they have made the sunnah alive again from the view of "Shoura" which has been deleted by the nation of Omaweying who they made the governor inhert the governor in governing . And this thing was not allowed in the existence of the prophet .
Well lets first begin with 3/103
3/103 tells us to cling to the rope of Allah and not be divided (wala tafarraqoo)
This phrase ?and do not divide? also appears in 42/13 which tells us to establish ad-deen and ?and not be divided in it? (wala tatafarrqoo fihi). Therefore, the rope of Allah is realised by the establishment of ad-deen.
How is ad-deen realised? By taking Allah as a judge (see 12/40 which links ibada with following the laws of Allah) and taking Allah as a lawmaker is done by accepting his fully explained book (6/114).
6/159 talks about those who split their deen (farraqoo deenahum ? the opposite of 42/13 above). If the deen is fully detailed in the Book,, then splitting the deen must be ignoring parts of the book. These are the people mentioned in 30/31-32 who are happy with their sects.I've met people that write something but they don't understand it, you're one of them . The only thing that was before is sunnah . who is the persons that splited up and became sects . the first one are Shi'a then after them are Khawareje then after them Al-Muatazila then after them the Quranists, the other sects mentioned before have not changed their opinions but the sect of Quranists that have showed themselves in the age of SHAFI'AI, have changed their opinions because they have been attacked by arguments and proofs from Quran and sunnah that what they did is a sin and a spliting of the way of Allah because they were arabic, so basically theu understand the arguments and the proofs, but for you gguys, you have took Islam in english language and it is full of distortion and mistranslation and misinterpreting of the verses, because you're in the 21th century where everyone wants to get famous and be with the ennmies of Islam because of money .
So reformer, very sorry but it looks like the Quran doesn?t agree with your ?majority? theory. It has a very specific idea about who a sectarian. Anyone who ignores parts of the book and splits up is a sectarian. Much like your abrogation friends.
Of course this post is right but for you, because we're the true Muslims that prophet left, you have showed yourself in the 21th century as free mind or the modernists of Quran, who they rejected the sunnah not because as they claimed contradict with the Quran but because it is a new projects of Satan and the ennemies of Islam to split up this great nation .But they will not win neither they can win, we are talking about 1.5 billion Muslim sunni in the world who they are in a great increase.