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So I take it that apart from the congregational prayer on Friday, there is no other prayer which will be observed and that is only for those that actually believe in a prayer in the first place!
And Edip, for someone who (according to Wikipedia) is considered one of the prime figures in the modern Islamic reform and Qur'an alone movements and author of many books on the Qur'an and Islam, I expected a slightly more professional response than the outburst you so eloquently put across to Rasul Hamsa regarding urine drinkers, disabled, non teeth cleaning stone throwing Hadith followers.
On the same token, how does it sound if by using your logic one is to say 'I understand your problem brother. Those who cannot read, write, talk, understand Arabic & Quran, do not believe in prayer, don't know how to pray, do not perform saum, do not believe or perform Hajj, do not pay a fixed amount of Zakat, have sex with women on their menses, eat dogs and cats, have sexual relations with animals, drink alcohol, go to restrooms with anyone at anytime urinating on their clothes while in the process and believe women and men should dress how they like with minimal clothes if they so wish, may not be able to envision that monotheists can indeed pray alone or together reciting anything they want standing on one leg scratching their head with the index finger of one hand whilst digging their nose with the other and with one eye closed passing wind in cognito whilst doing a star jump before going to sujood followed by a head stand to finish off the prayer'.
Not very nice or accurate is it?
Peace
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So I take it that apart from the congregational prayer on Friday, there is no other prayer which will be observed and that is only for those that actually believe in a prayer in the first place!
And Edip, for someone who (according to Wikipedia) is considered one of the prime figures in the modern Islamic reform and Qur'an alone movements and author of many books on the Qur'an and Islam, I expected a slightly more professional response than the outburst you so eloquently put across to Rasul Hamsa regarding urine drinkers, disabled, non teeth cleaning stone throwing Hadith followers.
On the same token, how does it sound if by using your logic one is to say 'I understand your problem brother. Those who cannot read, write, talk, understand Arabic & Quran, do not believe in prayer, don't know how to pray, do not perform saum, do not believe or perform Hajj, do not pay a fixed amount of Zakat, have sex with women on their menses, eat dogs and cats, have sexual relations with animals, drink alcohol, go to restrooms with anyone at anytime urinating on their clothes while in the process and believe women and men should dress how they like with minimal clothes if they so wish, may not be able to envision that monotheists can indeed pray alone or together reciting anything they want standing on one leg scratching their head with the index finger of one hand whilst digging their nose with the other and with one eye closed passing wind in cognito whilst doing a star jump before going to sujood followed by a head stand to finish off the prayer'.
Not very nice or accurate is it?
Peace
Hahahahah, you really made me laught to tears . I think he will not answer you . peace rotfl yay
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Dear thereformer1
He will answer. Trust me.
Edip is usually on the ball, but he let his emotions get the better of him on this one!
Peace
ok, die to read his reply .
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Dear thereformer1
He will answer. Trust me. Edip is usually on the ball, but he let his emotions get the better of him on this one! PeaceDear Zulu, your friend is right. Edip will not respond to your criticism the same way he responded to the mocking one, who was perhaps unable to notice the complexity with my response, which was meant as a medicine for his problem.
As for you Zulu, you have demonstrated a high level of thinking; I respect that and I will resist the temptation to (over)analyze your criticism. So, peace and thanks sun
Edip
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I understand your problem brother "ahem" Those who cannot walk, talk, eat, grow beard, have sex, brush their teeth, stone people to death, drink came urine, and go to restroom without hadith, may not be able to envision that monotheists can indeed pray alone or together without hadith.
Peace,
Edipso unlike the last conference how about praying together this time? send the world at least one positive message, will you? rotfl
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Dear Zulu, your friend is right. Edip will not respond to your criticism the same way he responded to the mocking one, who was perhaps unable to notice the complexity with my response, which was meant as a medicine for his problem.
Ediprotfl rotfl rotfl
You don't know how much I love your emotional responses! -* -* -* I'll come to see how you people pray, together or ahem... laugh
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I understand your problem brother "ahem" Those who cannot walk, talk, eat, grow beard, have sex, brush their teeth, stone people to death, drink came urine, and go to restroom without hadith, may not be able to envision that monotheists can indeed pray alone or together without hadith.
Peace,
Edipyou are monotheist? so you don't believe in code-19 anymore? o o o
wow
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Just to remind you.
Inshallah, next week we will meet to discuss the current political, theological and institutional progress of the Islamic Reform movement
Medium PalTalk. You may participate via web or download the program. Please get a mike beforehand. You may also use webcams.
PalTalk room Islamic Reform, under the social-political-human rights section
Date Sunday in April 25
First session 10-12 am Pacific time.
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so unlike the last conference how about praying together this time? send the world at least one positive message, will you? rotfl
Why do you imply praying together would be a positive message? Can you provide evidence by way of reasoning or Quranic knowledge?
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Why do you imply praying together would be a positive message? Can you provide evidence by way of reasoning or Quranic knowledge?
it seems either they are unable to understand quran or The Clear Quran is unable to give them a method of salat/prayer.
3105 Do not be like those who, after they have been given clear revelation, split into factions and fall into disputes a terrible punishment awaits such people!
IMO
May be before addressing the big issues and having marvellous objectives they should arrange a conference each year just to ponder over Is SALAT = PRAYER ? hmm Good luck to them. -
Unity by itself is not necessarily a positive, as people can unite on many things, good and bad.
Thus, what could 3105 refer to, or what are the guidelines/limits?
Well, let us consider AQ tells us if one group of believers are fighting another group of believers, we should side against those transgressing/aggressors. Note, it still refers to both sides as believers . Further, consider the profound chapter 9 in which believers can live together quite happily with mushrikeen/kafireen. Once these aspects are understood, the question of 'what kind of unity' becomes more clear.In my view, it is certainly not all praying together the same way.
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My travel schedule in Europe
June 10-15 U.K. Oxford (Critical Thinking for Islamic Reform conference)
June 15 (afternoon) Germany, Berlin, Tegel
June 16 Poland, Zielona Gora (Meeting with a group of Jewish scholars from Poland, Czechoslovakia and Holland who have acknowledged the message of the Quran)
June 17-21 Holland, Amsterdam (Meeting with various Muslim groups)If you would like to join us at any of these meetings, feel free to contact me.
Peace,
Edip
