How to read and study The Quran? - new article
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Mazhar
Without quoting the name of the Book/Theses/Source/Link this is called just throwing a name in the air. I don't think he was/is also a out of mind gentleman to think Qur'aan is from . Please quote some sensible person/lexicon or just go through the Qur'aan and see that could it mean anywhere even near to Qur'aan.
Quran reaches its real Syriac root of qeryn (quryan, QRYN) which refers to 'religious reading'.
I was talking of Dr. Alphonse Mingana
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Mazhar
I am sure we can help each other in learning to better understand and comprehend Qur'aan, if we move gradually in proper sequence of Qur'aan. Howere I have studied a little bit of this Root.
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if i can read it correctly i see a hamza over here
I think there was no hamza in the Classical Arabic of the Koran, correct me if i am wrong. It had to be added so to fit the -later
Hamza is not one of the 28 "full" letters, and owes its existence to historical orthographical inconsistencies in early Islamic times. In the Phoenician and Aramaic alphabets, from which the Arabic alphabet is descended, the glottal stop was expressed by leph, continued by Arabic alif.... To indicate that a glottal stop, and not a mere vowel, was intended, hamza was added diacritically to alif.
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He says this
"23 There is not much doubt in my mind that the word Kuran is imitated from the Syriac Kiryan. All the Biblical lessons to be read in the Churches are called by the Syrians Kiryans. The Prophet called simply his book by the word that was used to name the pericopes of the Revelation in the Christian Churches of his day. We should also remember that in the oldest MSS. of the Kur'an the word is simply written which may be, and has already been, read Kur'an or Kuran without hamzah. I suspect that this reading of the word without hamzah is reminiscent of an earlier pronunciation Kuryan or Kiryan (with a ya' and that the hamzah pronunciation is a late reading adopted to make the word more Arabic and in harmony with the root of the verb kara'a. "He seems to be merely a wanderer, and guessing things.
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His just one quote, if you read with open eyes, suffices to conclude about it what I said
But I quoted about Hamza from wikepidia brickwall
even though i am a critic of Dr.Mingana but to call him a wandrer and his work a guess work is far cry. You also have passed almost same remarks about Imam Bukhari, we can disagree with his methodology(though it was the best available at his time) but say "Bukhari type of people" or undermine his reserach work is just too much and can only be done by an amateur mind.
My eyes are open what you need is to open your brain.Alphonse Mingana (born as Hurmiz Mingana, 1878 Sharansh, village near Zakho, Ottoman Empire (present day Iraq) - died 5 December 1937 Birmingham, England) was an Assyrian theologian, historian,orientalist and a former priest who is best known for collecting and preserving the Mingana Collection of ancient Middle Eastern manuscripts at Birmingham
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But I quoted about Hamza from wikepidia brickwall
even though i am a critic of Dr.Mingana but to call him a wandrer and his work a guess work is far cry. You also have passed almost same remarks about Imam Bukhari, we can disagree with his methodology(though it was the best available at his time) but say "Bukhari type of people" or undermine his reserach work is just too much and can only be done by an amateur mind.
My eyes are open what you need is to open your brain.Alphonse Mingana (born as Hurmiz Mingana, 1878 Sharansh, village near Zakho, Ottoman Empire (present day Iraq) - died 5 December 1937 Birmingham, England) was an Assyrian theologian, historian,orientalist and a former priest who is best known for collecting and preserving the Mingana Collection of ancient Middle Eastern manuscripts at Birmingham
Without reading you start striking against the wall. His quote, I am talking, not your quote of hamza. Read his quote and get your eyes opened.
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Mazhar
Without reading you start striking against the wall. His quote, I am talking, not your quote of hamza. Read his quote and get your eyes opened.
My eyes are opened brother, its time for you to open up yours, Don;t try to behave like "Aflatoon" and stop calling him, Imam Bukhari and others wandrers and their works, guess works that is beneath you.
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Mazhar
quranacademy.orgQuran reaches its real Syriac root of qeryn (quryan, QRYN) which refers to 'religious reading'.
I was talking of Dr. Alphonse Mingana
Would you like to tell us where the Syriac language got it's roots from?
Alphonse Mingana (born as Hurmiz Mingana, 1878 Sharansh, village near Zakho, Ottoman Empire (present day Iraq) - died 5 December 1937 Birmingham, England) was an Assyrian theologian, historian, orientalist and a former priest who is best known for collecting and preserving the Mingana Collection of ancient Middle Eastern manuscripts at Birmingham
Do you ally yourself with such people? According to hadith science one wouldn't accept the words of such people so readily. Quran 496
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Far
Would you like to tell us where the Syriac language got it's roots from?
offcourse you know the answer and furthermore this has nothing to do with present post of mine, any how this is the laymans information
Syriac began as an unwritten spoken dialect of Old Aramaic in northern Mesopotamia. The first evidence we have of such dialects is their influence on the written Imperial Aramaic from the 5th century BC.
All the Semitic languages' are built up from triliteral roots that is, the great majority of the words are derived from a simple verbal form, of which the essential elements are three consonants.
The Syriac alphabet, which derived its letters from forms ultimately akin to those of the Old Hebrew and Phoenician alphabets, has the same twenty-two letters as the Hebrew.Far
Do you ally yourself with such people? According to hadith science one wouldn't accept the words of such people so readily. Quran 496
again this is not what is being discussed. Did I said I ally with him? this only tells you jumped in without reading the posts
quote by Raaajaheven though i am a critic of Dr.Mingana but to call him a wandrer and his work a guess work is far cry
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Don;t try to behave like "Aflatoon" and stop calling him, Imam Bukhari and others wandrers and their works, guess works that is beneath you.
For every moment in time there is/was a book. Aflatoon did not benefit from the Book of his time, instead decided to roam about at his own in all fields circularly, in the hope to find some truth, with the result that one never gets the Straight Path given in simple words by the Book. The Book is sublime and is The Guide, rest is unending "Gup Shup".
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Mazhar
And how did you know that the book is sublime? now please don't start quoting from the book it self!Just give me a prove that the book is Sublime?
waiting for your reply
Raj-ah
Experience and by applying inteelect bestowed by Allah to human beings for differentiating between scum and fact.
The prove that the Book is sublime is like the Sun which for us is the most bright star. It needs no proof to establish an already admitted fact. The quote from the Book would have been more powereful and convicing, but you have stopped quoting it. -
Mazhar
Experience and by applying inteelect bestowed by Allah to human beings for differentiating between scum and fact.
The prove that the Book is sublime is like the Sun which for us is the most bright star. It needs no proof to establish an already admitted fact. The quote from the Book would have been more powereful and convicing, but you have stopped quoting it.I have just stopped you from "adhoc" argument/ a circular reference.
That intellect seems to be bestowed on you my brother, but others need evidence a solid proof.
You said
The Book is sublime and is The Guide, rest is unending "Gup ShupIf anything else is gupshup then why use intellect? why use experience?
Quite a contradiction in your statement.
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Far
offcourse you know the answer and furthermore this has nothing to do with present post of mine, any how this is the laymans informationSyriac began as an unwritten spoken dialect of Old Aramaic in northern Mesopotamia. The first evidence we have of such dialects is their influence on the written Imperial Aramaic from the 5th century BC.
All the Semitic languages' are built up from triliteral roots that is, the great majority of the words are derived from a simple verbal form, of which the essential elements are three consonants.
The Syriac alphabet, which derived its letters from forms ultimately akin to those of the Old Hebrew and Phoenician alphabets, has the same twenty-two letters as the Hebrew.Faragain this is not what is being discussed. Did I said I ally with him? this only tells you jumped in without reading the posts
quote by RaaajahSo if syriac began somewhere before that... why would you just accept one language's meaning of the root? Shouldn't you collect all the meanings used by that root when it comes to the words used in the quran as it defines itself?
You highlighted certain parts of who that individual was. Of course he is not what is being discussed, but even so we cannot take his words without him being verified by yourself.
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OPF
So if syriac began somewhere before that... why would you just accept one language's meaning of the root?
Because it seems to be the nearest, simple! meaning "religous reading". It can be from others,
but I brought it forward against MAzhar's post, where he said Quran cannot be from the root other than QRa.OPF
You highlighted certain parts of who that individual was. Of course he is not what is being discussed, but even so we cannot take his words without him being verified by yourself
.Brother go ahead, please verify, and disagree but don't try to undermine any one's research work without merit as our brother Mazhar does.
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OPF
Because it seems to be the nearest, simple! meaning "religous reading". It can be from others,
but I brought it forward against MAzhar's post, where he said Quran cannot be from the root other than QRa.OPF.
Brother go ahead, please verify, and disagree but don't try to undermine any one's research work without merit as our brother Mazhar does.
Huh? Errr... interesting format.
If the root of quran is nothing other than QRa... then of course it would be so because the quran says that the book is in arabic. To venture to other languages to understand the meaning would be a step beyond the quran. Of course we could learn how the semitic root developed.
Just like this religion was not fully complete until after the all the messages were given to the last prophet may he have peace. The same way we could consider that the semitic roots, or language and understanding of the terms, were not complete until the arabic had been developed. Well even to this day we are still learning of meanings of the root, such as even going to different dialects of arabic and understanding meanings through those dialects. Perhaps we could take understanding from everything termed as arabic. Such as North Arabian, or even South Arabian families. But Assyrian isn't termed as arabic.
http//www.answering-christianity.com/egg-shaped_earth.htmAs for disregarding his research... he was a missionary. Missionaries don't have a good reputation when it comes to islamic studies. So from that, I give him a negative mark.
And it seems like he lost all his http//www.mingana.bham.ac.uk/biog.pdf page 12.
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I believe there is a single correct interpretation of the quran in which EVERYTHING clicks into place. I get glimpses of it every so often when I trawl through the "gup shup" and find some sense. However that is on the condition that the quran is genuinely from our lord, which I have near certainty it is. If it isn't then it is merely a cleverly written book.
It is not that the book itself is sublime when it can be openly interpreted, rather it is sublime when the interpretation is in line with the book and both are well and truly aligned with reality. It then becomes the unlocking key to reality, a self-evident and clear answer as to why things are the way they are, and how to repair things that are not right. One has to wonder why so much effort goes into clouding its message and diverting people towards vain discourse when it should surely be easier to merely change the text of the book itself, supposing there is no such thing as "God".
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I believe there is a single correct interpretation of the quran in which EVERYTHING clicks into place. I get glimpses of it every so often when I trawl through the "gup shup" and find some sense. However that is on the condition that the quran is genuinely from our lord, which I have near certainty it is. If it isn't then it is merely a cleverly written book.
It is not that the book itself is sublime when it can be openly interpreted, rather it is sublime when the interpretation is in line with the book and both are well and truly aligned with reality. It then becomes the unlocking key to reality, a self-evident and clear answer as to why things are the way they are, and how to repair things that are not right. One has to wonder why so much effort goes into clouding its message and diverting people towards vain discourse when it should surely be easier to merely change the text of the book itself, supposing there is no such thing as "God".
Sure I can agree with that. How is the Syriac root used?