Praise Be to Muhammad rasool Allah
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In English one might presume a feminine equivalent to masculine, but in Arabic it is NOT possible, since it is the languae of fact and reality. Ayat is feminine and Book is masculine. And a feminine is never like the masculine.
ah so there are no ayat (f) in the Book (m) laugh
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aww you were doing really well in having all messengers as equals, until the last bit where again you raise your idol above all others. The verses do not say you are to do that.
I simplify the question which you avoid to responde.
"All the Messengers of Allah are elevated over and above the ordinary men of past, present and future and none is equal to any of the Messengers in status, respect, honour and position". Do you accept this or have reservations about this also?
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I simplify the question which you avoid to responde.
"All the Messengers of Allah are elevated over and above the ordinary men of past, present and future and none is equal to any of the Messengers in status, respect, honour and position". Do you accept this or have reservations about this also?
that has never been the issue and i have said this more than once and you know it, the thing you are avoiding is to do with raising ONE above the OTHERS, nothing to do with 'ordinary people' now lets not please go round in circles Mazhar, your post was doing really well but you still HAVE to raise one above the rest even though the verses, even YOUR verse, say they were ALL elevated and chosen.
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that has never been the issue and i have said this more than once and you know it, the thing you are avoiding is to do with raising ONE above the OTHERS, nothing to do with 'ordinary people' now lets not please go round in circles Mazhar, your post was doing really well but you still HAVE to raise one above the rest even though the verses, even YOUR verse, say they were ALL elevated and chosen.
But in the question I have not raised one Messenger over the other. What is the reservation in accepting or rejecting a simple statement?
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In English one might presume a feminine equivalent to masculine, but in Arabic it is NOT possible, since it is the languae of fact and reality. Ayat is feminine and Book is masculine. And a feminine is never like the masculine.ah so there are no ayat (f) in the Book (m)
Ayisha,
When you do not understand the difference or accept the difference between a female and male, what is the point in becomming funny about that. He equated Ayat with the Book. I told him Ayat is feminine and Book is masculine, therefore, they can't be one and the same thing and can never be used interchangably.
Let him respond, then I will tell him how much wrong is he in interpreting the same looking words everywhere to mean the same thing. Had he realized that feminine is never like a masculine, he would have clearly understood the meanings everywhere. There is no confusion or no two meanings could be assigned to an Arabic word placed in a sentence since it is tied not only with the previous word but also with the next word. There is a thread discussing only this Root.
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I accept the Word of Allah and not what I believe to be your misconceived idea of the Word of Allah. In Quran Allah tells me to think and reflect on its verses, that is done using some common sense, which is called common sense as we are all given some, its common. I have seen you here telling someone to NOT use common sense when thinking about an ayat, which is against what Allah said.
I have believed for a while now, and same as szuberi have come to the conclusion that The Quran, or at the very least the Mother of the Book, is comprised of ALL Allah's words that have been given to man and just like as afridi said, its like a super computer and Allah has the hard drive, so when Allah says 'no one can change the words of Allah' He aint kidding, Hes got the hard drive, the whole copy.
People of the book are all of us that listen to Allahs words, not just Christians or Jews, and those verses apply to us all. To imply that The Book is Quran and only Quran IMO is wrong as that is not what Allah says when you look at the whole wood instead of inspecting the bark of the trees individually. That is why this FINAL message is for ALL mankind and confirms what came before it are from Allah are part of this message and that is why they are in this message.
You may be well versed in the Arabic language but your manner and the way you pass that information on is not in any way how you have been told to 'teach' and is not following any prophet that i have heard of. You call people ignorant, stupid, munafiq , claim an Arabic teacher would slap the face of one not getting it and have even claimed that learning Arabic is easy for those who dont have veils on their hearts. this is not for YOU to decide who has a veil on his/her heart or not and you too may very well have one over yours which your apparent arrogance shines through. With a little humility and a bucket of patience you could teach many many people how to understand the Arabic language but instead you have tantrums and call names and fail to have a productive discussion or debate. In your mind you are right and everyone else is wrong and you are not in the least bit 'pliable' nor will you even think for one minute that someone else may have a good point, which many have here.
Arabic script and language is very similar to your own mother tongue, so learning this is much easier for you than someone like me, but I do think that as I said above, you cannot see the wood for the trees.
Excellent Sister
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But in the question I have not raised one Messenger over the other. What is the reservation in accepting or rejecting a simple statement?
Mazhar, how many times does the same thing have to be repeated for you to get it? Now YOU are doing worse than any here who don't 'grasp' the Arabic.
The ISSUE is that of raising ONE messenger, namely Muhammed in this case, above all other messengers. that is the issue in here and has been the issue. There has NEVER been an issue that ALL messengers were chosen over ordinary people..blah blah see previous posts on the same subject )
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Ayisha,
When you do not understand the difference or accept the difference between a female and male, what is the point in becomming funny about that. He equated Ayat with the Book. I told him Ayat is feminine and Book is masculine, therefore, they can't be one and the same thing and can never be used interchangably.
Let him respond, then I will tell him how much wrong is he in interpreting the same looking words everywhere to mean the same thing. Had he realized that feminine is never like a masculine, he would have clearly understood the meanings everywhere. There is no confusion or no two meanings could be assigned to an Arabic word placed in a sentence since it is tied not only with the previous word but also with the next word. There is a thread discussing only this Root.
Dude your attitude sucks big time.
It appears that you are just sitting there...waiting to prove anyone or anything wrong so you can score some points.
The Quran clearly says that the messenger reads pages that are purified and in these pages there are books. So whether ayahs or surahs are books or not doesnt matter. Whatever division is there within THE BOOK is the Kutub being referred to here. Just like the Bible...it means a Library of Books.
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I dont get why people who know Arabic tend to think they have better grip over the understanding of the Quran.
"That book has guidance for those who know Arabic"
doesnt exist in the Quran.
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Indeed We have sent that Book as Written Book/Qur'aan in Arabic language/clear, perspicuous, eloquent, distinct, free from admixture, void of indistinctness, apparent like the daybreak and divested of the frothAnd listen the reason!
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so that you people may be able to save it in memory/reflect and differentiateThe basic job of brain/intellect is to differentiate between two things, see the difference between feminine and masculine. Intelligent people even make the signs of female and male evidently different from each other referring/showing physical realities.
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The Quran clearly says that the messenger reads pages that are purified and in these pages there are books. So whether ayahs or surahs are books or not doesnt matter. Whatever division is there within THE BOOK is the Kutub being referred to here. Just like the Bible...it means a Library of Books.
I don't know why some people on this forum, just for the sake of sticking to what they said once, do not hesitate to write such like things which even otherwise seem ridiculous.
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Mazhar, how many times does the same thing have to be repeated for you to get it? Now YOU are doing worse than any here who don't 'grasp' the Arabic.
The ISSUE is that of raising ONE messenger, namely Muhammed in this case, above all other messengers.
The first issue is always to make distinction between two things apparently similar looking but different in essence from each other, and then comes the question of determining the distinction between men of similar status. You are not even responding to the base question that whether you consider and accept the Messengers of Allah, without considering any distinction and difference between them, as being above the ordinary men of today and past, or relegate them to the level of ordinary men.
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The first issue is always to make distinction between two things apparently similar looking but different in essence from each other, and then comes the question of determining the distinction between men of similar status. You are not even responding to the base question that whether you consider and accept the Messengers of Allah, without considering any distinction and difference between them, as being above the ordinary men of today and past, or relegate them to the level of ordinary men.
as i have repeated more times than I care to search for, this is NOT an issue! OF COURSE ALL MESSENGERS WERE ELEVATED ABOVE ORDINARY PEOPLE, they are CHOSEN to pass on ALLAH'S message!! That is NOT the issue and you KNOW that and I keep repeating it! Now stop avoiding the fact that you DO elevate ONE above the others in idolization of him!
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Indeed We have sent that Book as Written Book/Qur'aan in Arabic language/clear, perspicuous, eloquent, distinct, free from admixture, void of indistinctness, apparent like the daybreak and divested of the frothAnd listen the reason!
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so that you people may be able to save it in memory/reflect and differentiateThe basic job of brain/intellect is to differentiate between two things, see the difference between feminine and masculine. Intelligent people even make the signs of female and male evidently different from each other referring/showing physical realities.
of course it was in Arabic, it was sent to an Arabic speaker, no point in giving it him in Chinese is there? his audience were Arabic speakers, not Swahili
Muhammed was not a linguist either and he would not have been delving into the grammatical structure of the sentences seeing which WORD meant Quran and which meant WORD, he took it as it was, he saw the WOODS perfectly well and he saw the TREES in that wood as well and he followed it perfectly!
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as i have repeated more times than I care to search for, this is NOT an issue! OF COURSE ALL MESSENGERS WERE ELEVATED ABOVE ORDINARY PEOPLE, they are CHOSEN to pass on ALLAH'S message!! That is NOT the issue and you KNOW that and I keep repeating it! Now stop avoiding the fact that you DO elevate ONE above the others in idolization of him!
My appreciation that at last you admitted as raised and elevated, all of them including the last one, above ordinary people like Mazhar, Aymen and Edip etc etc.
bravo
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My appreciation that at last you admitted as raised and elevated, all of them including the last one, above ordinary people like Mazhar, Aymen and Edip etc etc.
bravo
well that was never an issue, it goes without saying, of course they were the ones out of all human beings 'raised to higher ranks', ALL OF THEM
Geeeeez gimme patience )
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You may be well versed in the Arabic language but your manner and the way you pass that information on is not in any way how you have been told to 'teach' and is not following any prophet that i have heard of. You call people ignorant, stupid, munafiq , claim an Arabic teacher would slap the face of one not getting it and have even claimed that learning Arabic is easy for those who dont have veils on their hearts. this is not for YOU to decide who has a veil on his/her heart or not and you too may very well have one over yours which your apparent arrogance shines through. With a little humility and a bucket of patience you could teach many many people how to understand the Arabic language but instead you have tantrums and call names and fail to have a productive discussion or debate. In your mind you are right and everyone else is wrong and you are not in the least bit 'pliable' nor will you even think for one minute that someone else may have a good point, which many have here.
Szuberi
Excellent Sister
If some one calls this an excellent post, then I really doubt his academic Qualification.
Dude your attitude sucks big time.
huh? what verse is this?
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But what impact will it put on those who get irritated when ever the name "Muhammad" is mentioned, it is same for them.
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Mazhar
My appreciation that at last you admitted as raised and elevated, all of them including the last one, above ordinary people like Mazhar, Aymen and Edip etc etc.
Ayisha
well that was never an issue, it goes without saying, of course they were the ones out of all human beings 'raised to higher ranks', ALL OF THEM
That all ways have been an issue with people like you, the fact it took you so long to admit and that even with ifs and buts tells the whole story.