Root: ح م د the praise, admiration.
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Please read and then see your earlier part of your quote and let me know whether there is any difference of perception?
Why did you just say this??
I never implied anything regarding what you wrote... it seems good to me... It bears similarity to what i quoted from S.A.Wadud as well...
I just wanted to ask you for your source regarding your explanation...
Seems you are infected with the negativity as well ???
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Another little gem
Therefore, for Allah is the Infinite Glory and Praise eternally and exclusively, the Sustainer Lord of the Skies; and the Sustainer Lord of the Earth, the Sustainer Lord of all the Known/Existing Worlds/all that exists.
What the hell is that doing there in brackets? ???
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It bears similarity to what i quoted from S.A.Wadud as well...
I just wanted to ask you for your source regarding your explanation...
And Brother, exactly this I wanted to bring to notice. Neither he innovated the meanings nor I have innovated. These are vividly explained in the Ayyat of Qur'aan and Arabic lexicons. Allah is the ONLY ONE Who existed and exists. The word "Praise" has neither existence nor any meanings when there is/was only ONE. Praise is acknowledgement of greatness of One by someone else, another entity of will and decision and intellect who can appreciate and admire the greatness of the One.
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And Brother, exactly this I wanted to bring to notice. Neither he innovated the meanings nor I have innovated. These are vividly explained in the Ayyat of Qur'aan and Arabic lexicons. Allah is the ONLY ONE Who existed and exists. The word "Praise" has neither existence nor any meanings when there is/was only ONE. Praise is acknowledgement of greatness of One by someone else, another entity of will and decision and intellect who can appreciate and admire the greatness of the One.
As the Angels did before creation of man
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It was response to this quote/inference drawn by Ayisha
No Mazhar it was in referrence to this;
""But (AlHamd) is not something like matter having dimensions. It is abstract and can be appreciated intellectually. And (AlHamd)is not something that could exist in isolation. It can emerge only when there is an Object of it and another person of will and intellect to act as doer/subject of performing it. There has to be the Praised One and the Praiser/Admirer when (AlHamd) The Praise, the Admiration will become a reality.
in other words there was no AlHamd until the one who praises (Ahmad) came to give the Praised ONE (Allah) REALITY.
Astagfirulla!
if THAT is not giving Allah a partner in Muhammed then I dont know what is! For GOD'S sake look at what you are doing in order to raise and praise one MAN above anyone in living creation!
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No Mazhar it was in referrence to this;
""But (AlHamd) is not something like matter having dimensions. It is abstract and can be appreciated intellectually. And (AlHamd)is not something that could exist in isolation. It can emerge only when there is an Object of it and another person of will and intellect to act as doer/subject of performing it. There has to be the Praised One and the Praiser/Admirer when (AlHamd) The Praise, the Admiration will become a reality.
in other words there was no AlHamd until the one who praises (Ahmad) came to give the Praised ONE (Allah) REALITY.
Astagfirulla!
if THAT is not giving Allah a partner in Muhammed then I dont know what is! For GOD'S sake look at what you are doing in order to raise and praise one MAN above anyone in living creation!
A simple and straight forward definition and perception of Al Hamd is given. Is that incorrect? Can there be Hamd without there being an admirer who will praise? This is the first point either to be accepted or rejected, rest of the discussion is later part.
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Were not the malaaikah already praising God even before the creation of man? And it was one of their main concern as well when God decided to create man.
The angels and everything in creation praises Allah but according to some idol worshippers none of this was real praise until THE Praiser was born apparently born with the name Muhammed rasool Allah.
i cant watch this anymore, it's gone beyond sane discussion and what some will do to 'prove' one messenger was the sole reason we have AlHamd seems to know no bounds. Will we have the planets repeating salalahu alaihi wasalam as they fly above us next? I can honestly say Mazhar you have totally surpassed even the great reformer in complete and utter BS.
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The angels and everything in creation praises Allah but according to some idol worshippers none of this was real praise until THE Praiser was born apparently born with the name Muhammed rasool Allah.
i cant watch this anymore, it's gone beyond sane discussion and what some will do to 'prove' one messenger was the sole reason we have AlHamd seems to know no bounds. Will we have the planets repeating salalahu alaihi wasalam as they fly above us next? I can honestly say Mazhar you have totally surpassed even the great reformer in complete and utter BS.
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Indeed We have let remain placed in their necks hard collars
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But (AlHamd) is not something like matter having dimensions. It is abstract and can be appreciated intellectually. And (AlHamd)is not something that could exist in isolation. It can emerge only when there is an Object of it and another person of will and intellect to act as doer/subject of performing it. There has to be the Praised One and the Praiser/Admirer when (AlHamd) The Praise, the Admiration will become a reality.
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Indeed We have let remain placed in their necks hard collars
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/036.%20Ya%20Seen/36.08b.gifand these are up to chins for which reason they are in position of heads raised in one direction;This is making difficult to understand this simple thing
oh I understand the meaning perfectly
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Mazhar
A simple and straight forward definition and perception of Al Hamd is given. Is that incorrect? Can there be Hamd without there being an admirer who will praise? This is the first point either to be accepted or rejected, rest of the discussion is later part.
She will not come to this point.
Let her not destroy a very important thread, I request you to reply only to the posts which really are to the point..with reference to your first post.There are other threads when she can be replied to her stupidities.
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Mazhar
She will not come to this point.
Let her not destroy a very important thread, I request you to reply only to the posts which really are to the point..with reference to your first post.There are other threads when she can be replied to her stupidities.
Thanks brother.
Root
Words from this Root in the Grand Qur'aan
a) Total occurrences 68
b) No of constructions 17
The basic perception infolded in the Root is to willingly and sincerely acknowledge and appreciate the grandeur and greatness, positive and proportionate qualities, traits and acts of a person and express admiration. is used only for a person of will and intellect and not for matter and other living creatures while the English word "praise" refers to expression of admiration for somebody or something.
د ) is, on one hand, the prerogative and exclusive right of a person intrinsically possessor of grandeur, greatness, power, dominion, sovereignty etc and, on the other hand, it is an obligation upon others to recognize, acknowledge and express their admiration reflecting willful and affectionate acceptance of their relative inferiority and humility.
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