Is Prophet Muhammad?s duty to deliver Quran only?: No

Ayisha

@Rajaah and others

Why have most of you disregarded the fact that HIKMAH(from ha-kaf-meem) is more related to legislation, hence the word hukm(law),haakim(judge),hakeem(wise) etc... This has nothing to do with explaining!

Ha-Kaf-Miim = To restrain from, exercise authority, command, give judgment, judge, be wise. To restrain/prevent/withhold a person from acting in an evil or corrupt manner, to judge or give judgement, pass sentence, decide judicially, exercise judicial authority/jurisdiction/rule/dominion/government, order or ordain or decree a thing, to be wise, to be sound in judgement, possess knowledge or science and wisdom, render a thing firm/stable/sound/free from defect or imperfection by the exercise of skill.

So why I am always seeing hikmah linked with explanation?? This does not make any sense.

Its in the hidden motive of 1 or 2 people that are trying hard NOT to say hadith and sunnah but to get people to agree that there was explanation done by the prophet himself aside from the explained verses from Allah. That is why Raj will never answer my questions regarding where are these explanations and that is also why Mazhar has posted about the most dignified and elevated coming last. Once he gets agreement to his absurd claims he will then tell about the last messenger and that the person agreeing has also agreed Muhammed is the most dignified and elevated of all messengers.

The circular arguments are all that can be used with this motive in mind as they will never answer a straight question with a straight answer, have you not noticed that? It's like making a dog chase his tail until he gives up, then they will claim you agreed on something you never did. peace

Leyna

So why I am always seeing hikmah linked with explanation?? This does not make any sense.

Nope, it doesn't.

Ayisha

Sense and logic are not something one would link with Raj or Mazhar though, particularly Raj

Mazhar

Sense and logic are not something one would link with Raj or Mazhar though, particularly Raj

Its in the hidden motive of 1 or 2 people that are trying hard NOT to say hadith and sunnah but to get people to agree that there was explanation done by the prophet himself aside from the explained verses from Allah. That is why Raj will never answer my questions regarding where are these explanations and that is also why Mazhar has posted about the most dignified and elevated coming last. Once he gets agreement to his absurd claims he will then tell about the last messenger and that the person agreeing has also agreed Muhammed is the most dignified and elevated of all messengers. Aiysha

Can you quote where I have said this even for once that the Messenger of Allah explained anything himself aside from the explained verses from Allah?

If not will you have moral courage to take the above allegation back?

Mazhar

and that is also why Mazhar has posted about the most dignified and elevated coming last. Once he gets agreement to his absurd claims he will then tell about the last messenger and that the person agreeing has also agreed Muhammed is the most dignified and elevated of all messengers. Aiysha

How intelligent, wise, full of senses and logic is Ayisha!

And how naive is she that she has spoken out her heart that had she agreed to a simple proposition, which is observed by so many people around the globe, she will have to agree with another fact "Muhammed is the most dignified and elevated of all messengers". What a "genuine" fear!! This is not called in English dictionary "bias, prejudice, whim, reservation, hatred etc"

Ayisha

Can you quote where I have said this even for once that the Messenger of Allah explained anything himself aside from the explained verses from Allah?
can you quote where I said you have?

If not will you have moral courage to take the above allegation back?

have you the moral courage to take back the allegation that I said this of you in the first place?

Mazhar

can you quote where I said you have?
have you the moral courage to take back the allegation that I said this of you in the first place?

So you have never alleged it against me and I incorrectly understood your quote below, if this is so I apologise to have wrongly thought you said this.

Its in the hidden motive of 1 or 2 people that are trying hard NOT to say hadith and sunnah but to get people to agree that there was explanation done by the prophet himself aside from the explained verses from Allah. That is why Raj will never answer my questions regarding where are these explanations and that is also why Mazhar has posted about the most dignified and elevated coming last. Once he gets agreement to his absurd claims he will then tell about the last messenger and that the person agreeing has also agreed Muhammed is the most dignified and elevated of all messengers. Aiysha

Ayisha

How intelligent, wise, full of senses and logic is Ayisha!

And how naive is she that she has spoken out her heart that had she agreed to a simple proposition, which is observed by so many people around the globe, she will have to agree with another fact "Muhammed is the most dignified and elevated of all messengers". What a "genuine" fear!! This is not called in English dictionary "bias, prejudice, whim, reservation, hatred etc"

"then they will claim you agreed on something you never did."

and voila there it is!

Sorry Mazhar no I do not agree as I agree with Allah that we make no distinction among any of His messengers. I knew this was your motive in that thread from the first reading and i have been saving this for you

If the most dignified and elevated always comes last, then you would have to agree that Ali was more dignified and elevated a leader of the ummah than Muhammed and caliphs between him and Ali, as Ali was the last caliph peace

Ayisha

So you have never alleged it against me and I incorrectly understood your quote below, if this is so I apologise to have wrongly thought you said this.

Apology accepted. The reference to you was in your second post, which I have answered. The above misunderstanding could have been due to guilt in what your motive was in the first place, although you did not say what you said I had accused you of.

Mazhar

Apology accepted. The reference to you was in your second post, which I have answered. The above misunderstanding could have been due to guilt in what your motive was in the first place, although you did not say what you said I had accused you of.

So you announce that you had not me in mind as 2 while saying this

Its in the hidden motive of 1 or 2 people that are trying hard NOT to say hadith and sunnah but to get people to agree that there was explanation done by the prophet himself aside from the explained verses from Allah.

Ayisha

So you announce that you had not me in mind as 2 while saying this

I have not announced anything, you make the announcements based on what you misunderstand and with your guilt you claimed I said that you had said something which I didnt and you didnt. hypno

Mazhar

O kay, however, people have eyes also to see for themselves.

Ayisha

O kay, however, people have eyes also to see for themselves.

yay something we agree on! bravo

Raaajah

Ayisha

Sense and logic are not something one would link with Raj or Mazhar though, particularly Raj

Look who is saying that rotfl

Can you quote where I have said this even for once that the Messenger of Allah explained anything himself from verses aside from the Wisdom provided from Allah?
You are a Liar!

Mazhar

If not will you have moral courage to take the above allegation back?

Moral courage and Ayisha are two separate things, as are Al-Hikmah and Al-Kitab.

Raaajah

Way Finder

Did you just invented this? Why do you make such baseless claims... Ar-Rahmaan as a name existed from pre-islamic times... it is even ENGRAVED in stone in an inscription known as the inscription of Abraha... Do your research before making claims. I will see whether you would be blind on this one in your next reply to me.

Way Finder I think before making big claims, we should check what others wrote.
Did I said that the name Ar-Rehman not existed in pre-Islamic times? show me if I had? I said the audience of Muhammad was not well aware of it.

according to Brett Marlowe Stortroen word "Rahmanan" appears in pre-Islamic inscriptions from South Arabia.
It is not Rahmaan.
They audience were surprised why to use name Rehmaan, for the reason i mentioned above,
also even if they knew this name they were not accepting it to be used by Muhammad peace is upon him, as they thought it was a different God Muhammad is talking about in Quran. Therefore Muhammad peace is upon him Explained to them.

Ayisha

Can you quote where I have said this even for once that the Messenger of Allah explained anything himself from verses aside from the Wisdom provided from Allah?
You are a Liar!

No Raj you are a liar

I said "that there was explanation done by the prophet himself aside from the explained verses from Allah."

your post on page 3
"Prophet Muhammad Peace is upon him only spoke exact words of the Quran? How would he explain it then? he would probably have to use other words which weren't exact words of the Quran, therefore for sure Al-Kitab and Al-Hikmah are two separate things.

You can only have two choice

The Prophet only read the verbatim text of the Qur'an as it was revealed without explaining it,
The Prophet read the verbatim text of the Qur'an and also explained it."

another post on page 3
"So you think Allah explained it by himself? or he gave Prophet the Wisdom to explain it?"

page 4
"Allah does not come down to earth like JESUS CHRIST to explain each and every thing, he sends Messengers with his Message and gives them WISDOM to explain it. "

I said "But Allah says HE has explained it IN the Book itself "

you said "Come on Ayisha I can give you various examples from just this site, let leave the Ummah, where there has been no consensus after debating whole 40 pages.
Allah sent the Quran, he send the Messengers with wisdom to explain them, and we also require Wisdom to understand it."

I said "BOOK is full of Wisdom."

you said "Yes, but it requires Wisdom to extract from it. Allah did not came to earth to explain anything, neither was it in BOOK shape, it was revealed step by step in many years bit by bit, and every bit needed explanation, which was done by the Messenger. They did not had intelligent people like you Ayisha that time who, could understand the Quran from Quran itself, in case when it was not revealed as a Whole."

I asked the question that is still unanswered "so where has it been extracted to?"

So you see no one has said that Muhammed did not have Wisdom but you have disagreed that ALLAH explained it IN the book and have insisted that Muhammed FURTHER EXPLAINED the fully explained verses as you disbelieve Allah when He said HE has fully explained them IN the book. muscle

Ayisha

Way Finder
Way Finder I think before making big claims, we should check what others wrote.
Did I said that the name Ar-Rehman not existed in pre-Islamic times? show me if I had? I said the audience of Muhammad was not well aware of it.

according to Brett Marlowe Stortroen word "Rahmanan" appears in pre-Islamic inscriptions from South Arabia.
It is not Rahmaan.
They audience were surprised why to use name Rehmaan, for the reason i mentioned above,
also even if they knew this name they were not accepting it to be used by Muhammad peace is upon him, as they thought it was a different God Muhammad is talking about in Quran. Therefore Muhammad peace is upon him Explained to them.

So where is this explanation raj?

Raaajah

Ayisha

So you see no one has said that Muhammed did not have Wisdom but you have disagreed that ALLAH explained it IN the book and have insisted that Muhammed FURTHER EXPLAINED the fully explained verses as you disbelieve Allah when He said HE has fully explained them IN the book.

He has fully explained them in Book for those whom he have bestowed the Wisdom, to the Messengers and Messengers will further explain it to audience.

Rajah

Can you quote where I have said this even for once that the Messenger of Allah explained anything himself from verses aside from the Wisdom provided from Allah?

Ayisha you are just behaving like a kid,
There are lot of verses which cannot be understood without Wisdom.

Let us consider verses about Ramadan? are you not having a debate on this very forum that it should be of 10 days, 30 Days etc.
Let Us consider Salat? is there not a debate here on this forum and many other forums, weather they are 2, 3, 5 or even if there is No Salat at all.

Come out of your fancy world, world of theories and lies, live in a practical life.

Raaajah

Ayisha

So where is this explanation raj?

Way Finder
Way Finder I think before making big claims, we should check what others wrote.
Did I said that the name Ar-Rehman not existed in pre-Islamic times? show me if I had? I said the audience of Muhammad was not well aware of it.

according to Brett Marlowe Stortroen word "Rahmanan" appears in pre-Islamic inscriptions from South Arabia.
It is not Rahmaan.
They audience were surprised why to use name Rehmaan, for the reason i mentioned above,
also even if they knew this name they were not accepting it to be used by Muhammad peace is upon him, as they thought it was a different God Muhammad is talking about in Quran. Therefore Muhammad peace is upon him Explained to them.

Are you Way Finder? let him answer first.

Ayisha

He has fully explained them in Book for those whom he have bestowed the Wisdom, to the Messengers and Messengers will further explain it to audience.
so where are these explanations Raj?

How many times is that now i have asked this and it is still not answered? cant you answer a simple question based on what you have been claiming for, is it 7 pages now?

Ayisha you are just behaving like a kid,
There are lot of verses which cannot be understood without Wisdom.

So where are the explanations Raj? you are the one behaving like a child insisting on things you refuse to back up. I have backed up everything I have said and I have answered all questions asked.

Let us consider verses about Ramadan? are you not having a debate on this very forum that it should be of 10 days, 30 Days etc.
Am I? sorry i wasnt aware I have said anything like that, please quote it and post the link so i can see, then I can answer this

Let Us consider Salat? is there not a debate here on this forum and many other forums, weather they are 2, 3, 5 or even if there is No Salat at all.
there probably is, but again I have not been involved in them either

Come out of your fancy world, world of theories and lies, live in a practical life.

You are the one in a fantasy world with theories and lies you can never back up when asked. I am actually fine in the real world believing in what Allah says in Quran, and when He says He has fully explained them I believe Him, not you who claims He cannot explain them and needs a messenger to do that for Him.