Is Prophet Muhammad?s duty to deliver Quran only?: No
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One of them is Prophet Muhammad correcting Gabriel?s mistake. This is one of the many solution that satisfy the condition prophets must help/support angel or Gabriel
This was YOUR fabrication and you have been asked question regarding us being told to support Allah. Now if you still claim that support means correcting mistakes then answer what does it mean when WE are to support Allah, does that also mean correcting mistakes? is that what you're trying to do, correct Allah?
Answer the question
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This was YOUR fabrication and you have been asked question regarding us being told to support Allah. Now if you still claim that support means correcting mistakes then answer what does it mean when WE are to support Allah, does that also mean correcting mistakes? is that what you're trying to do, correct Allah?
Answer the question
I did not say support means correcting an error. That is WayFinder interpretation of what I wrote. He is wrong!
Rather, I said one of the way prophets could have helped or supported Gabriel was to find errors in the message he delivered to him. Another way would be to offer him food. Yet another way would be to shelter him, him being tired after the long journey and so on & on??? These are all possible outcome of the so called truth ?prophets support angel or Gabriel?. All the outcomes are absurd because the proposition is absurd/falsehood (garbage).
WayFinder is trying to make a falsehood into truth. I test his proposition thru logical deduction. The outcomes are against the Quran and defy common sense. Therefore, I reject his proposition.
If we propose the messenger in 381 to be a human messenger then we don?t get absurd outcomes. All the outcomes are truth and in compliant with Quran because the proposition (assumption) is true.
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I did not say support means correcting an error. That is WayFinder interpretation of what I wrote. He is wrong!
Rather, I said one of the way prophets could have helped or supported Gabriel was to find errors in the message he delivered to him. Another way would be to offer him food. Yet another way would be to shelter him, him being tired after the long journey and so on & on??? These are all possible outcome of the so called truth ?prophets support angel or Gabriel?. All the outcomes are absurd because the proposition is absurd/falsehood (garbage).
WayFinder is trying to make a falsehood into truth. I test his proposition thru logical deduction. The outcomes are against the Quran and defy common sense. Therefore, I reject his proposition.
If we propose the messenger in 381 to be a human messenger then we don?t get absurd outcomes. All the outcomes are truth and in compliant with Quran because the proposition (assumption) is true.
Lets see if your foolishness is approved by current dictionary meanings of support... let us see if we find 'correct a mistake' in the list of definitions.
Definitions of support on the Web
give moral or psychological support, aid, or courage to; "She supported him during the illness"; "Her children always backed her up"
the activity of providing for or maintaining by supplying with money or necessities; "his support kept the family together"; "they gave him emotional support during difficult times"
support materially or financially; "he does not support his natural children"; "The scholarship supported me when I was in college"
aiding the cause or policy or interests of; "the president no longer has the support of his own party"; "they developed a scheme of mutual support"
back be behind; approve of; "He plumped for the Labor Party"; "I backed Kennedy in 1960"
hold be the physical support of; carry the weight of; "The beam holds up the roof"; "He supported me with one hand while I balanced on the beam"; "What's holding that mirror?"
a military operation (often involving new supplies of men and materiel) to strengthen a military force or aid in the performance of its mission; "they called for artillery support"
confirm establish or strengthen as with new evidence or facts; "his story confirmed my doubts"; "The evidence supports the defendant"
documentation documentary validation; "his documentation of the results was excellent"; "the strongest support for this view is the work of Jones"
subscribe adopt as a belief; "I subscribe to your view on abortion"
the financial means whereby one lives; "each child was expected to pay for their keep"; "he applied to the state for support"; "he could no longer earn his own livelihood"
corroborate support with evidence or authority or make more certain or confirm; "The stories and claims were born out by the evidence"
supporting structure that holds up or provides a foundation; "the statue stood on a marble support"
defend argue or speak in defense of; "She supported the motion to strike"
the act of bearing the weight of or strengthening; "he leaned against the wall for support"Is it a coincidence that we are UNABLE to find you distorted fabricated corrupted meaning of in the list of the approved definitions of the word as well as its intended meanings and/or implications? We think you have just invented a new meaning of the word and you SHOULD submit your new discovery to the dictionary editors so that they can update the definitions in their next version. You are a pro now. rotfl
Pay special attention to the implications of support highlighted in green.
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I did not say support means correcting an error. That is WayFinder interpretation of what I wrote. He is wrong!
No you are wrong, it was in your definition when you were twisting what wayfinder had said and applying your 'logical deductions'.Rather, I said one of the way prophets could have helped or supported Gabriel was to find errors in the message he delivered to him. Another way would be to offer him food. Yet another way would be to shelter him, him being tired after the long journey and so on & on??? These are all possible outcome of the so called truth ?prophets support angel or Gabriel?. All the outcomes are absurd because the proposition is absurd/falsehood (garbage).
so how does it stand on US supporting Allah then? I notice you keep avoiding that question. Do we give Him food or shelter Him or what? But thats what Quran SAYS that we support Allah and He will support us, explain that with your logical deductions if it's so ridiculous to think about 'supporting' Gabriel.47.7 RK O you who believe, if you support GOD, He will support you, and strengthen your foothold.
WayFinder is trying to make a falsehood into truth. I test his proposition thru logical deduction. The outcomes are against the Quran and defy common sense. Therefore, I reject his proposition.
You are trying to make a falsehood out of truth and your test was totally illogical and you tested a false hadith of your that YOU misunderstood of what has been said. Your own words and actions are against Quran and defy anyones common sense so your rejection means nothing.You have posted in here 'this is wrong' 'i reject' 'satanic' and all sorts but even when asked countless times you have not once said "this is how I do it and that it consistent with Prophet Muhammad?s way for such and such reason." and YOU are the one that said "A righteous person would have said this is how I do it and that it consistent with Prophet Muhammad?s way for such and such reason." so you even contradict yourself and by logical deduction I deduce that you are not a righteous person.
If we propose the messenger in 381 to be a human messenger then we don?t get absurd outcomes. All the outcomes are truth and in compliant with Quran because the proposition (assumption) is true.
What if we dont propose who or what the messenger in 3.81 is, human or otherwise? Is it going to throw earth off its axis or cause tidal waves or be against Quran?
He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.
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Lets see if your foolishness is approved by current dictionary meanings of support... let us see if we find 'correct a mistake' in the list of definitions.
Didn't i tell you to loose the dictionary? If I didn't then I am telling you now loose the dictionary!
Otherwise I recommend your forum name be changed to WrongWayFinder.
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Didn't i tell you to loose the dictionary? If I didn't then I am telling you now loose the dictionary!
Otherwise I recommend your forum name be changed to WrongWayFinder.
I wonder if we would be living in a better world if all people start following your WISE advices... sun
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No you are wrong, it was in your definition when you were twisting what wayfinder had said and applying your 'logical deductions'.
so how does it stand on US supporting Allah then? I notice you keep avoiding that question. Do we give Him food or shelter Him or what? But thats what Quran SAYS that we support Allah and He will support us, explain that with your logical deductions if it's so ridiculous to think about 'supporting' Gabriel.47.7 RK O you who believe, if you support GOD, He will support you, and strengthen your foothold.
There goes you logic to the toilet again.
Allah is the creator of all things (seen or unseen).
You are foolishly bringing Allah down to HIS creation e.g. Gabriel by asking the question
Supporting Allah is not the same as supporting Gabriel.
Allah is the owner of truth. NOT Gabriel. Therefore, when we accept the truth we are supporting Him.
Gabriel DO NOT OWN the Truth. Therefore, you cannot support him like we support Allah. I have already mentioned some of the way prophets could have support Gabriel.
Don't forget WayFinder proposition is falsehood. The messenger in 381 is human. Read all the occurrence of messenger in the Quran.
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There goes you logic to the toilet again.
Allah is the creator of all things (seen or unseen).
You are foolishly bringing Allah down to HIS creation e.g. Gabriel by asking the question
Supporting Allah is not the same as supporting Gabriel.
Allah is the owner of truth. NOT Gabriel. Therefore, when we accept the truth we are supporting Him.
Gabriel DO NOT OWN the Truth. Therefore, you cannot support him like we support Allah. I have already mentioned some of the way prophets could have support Gabriel.
Don't forget WayFinder proposition is falsehood. The messenger in 381 is human. Read all the occurrence of messenger in the Quran.
I see a lot of words, but did you actually say anything?
Does Allah say support the messengers?
Does Allah say support Him?
Does Allah say He will support us?I know what messenger means and I know Gabriel was a messenger who brought the message from Allah to the various prophets. If your definition of messenger is different to one who brings a message then you are not following Quran, possibly following 'what your fathers followed' again.
As for 3.81, did you not read this far
He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.
So it makes no difference to me who the messenger in 3.81 was and also of course you missed this again
You have posted in here 'this is wrong' 'i reject' 'satanic' and all sorts but even when asked countless times you have not once said "this is how I do it and that it consistent with Prophet Muhammad?s way for such and such reason." and YOU are the one that said "A righteous person would have said this is how I do it and that it consistent with Prophet Muhammad?s way for such and such reason." so you even contradict yourself and by logical deduction I deduce that you are not a righteous person.
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There goes you logic to the toilet again.
Allah is the creator of all things (seen or unseen).
You are foolishly bringing Allah down to HIS creation e.g. Gabriel by asking the question
Supporting Allah is not the same as supporting Gabriel.
Allah is the owner of truth. NOT Gabriel. Therefore, when we accept the truth we are supporting Him.
Gabriel DO NOT OWN the Truth. Therefore, you cannot support him like we support Allah. I have already mentioned some of the way prophets could have support Gabriel.
Don't forget WayFinder proposition is falsehood. The messenger in 381 is human. Read all the occurrence of messenger in the Quran.
Hey you, king of Fools...
Here you go again.. you have said
And this foolishness above is based on only 1 implication of support which can neither be applied to God, not to angels...
You have disregarded all the other implications... Which i have constantly quoted... Moreover, you have FABRICATED, as a SERIAL LIAR, new implications and falsehood regarding the meaning of support...
You have yet to prove Gabriel/human messengers/angel messengers bring SOMETHING OTHER than the truth... Do it if you are a man... then we would be glad to doubt the credential of divine messengers... as a good fabricator, liar, forger.. I think you might propose some interesting illogical theories...
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He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.
This verse is looking at you and WayFinder.
perversity = prophets support/help angel or Gabriel.
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perversity = prophets support/help angel or Gabriel.
Excellent fabrication... keep recording more proof against you... as if it is not yet enough... the record is being kept.. by recorders who never fail in their duties... As if, God has not already explained to us what 'perversity' means... but some liar/fabricator/forger/corruptor has to come and try to explain us the true meaning of the word... May God forgive you for your stupidity if He sees you worth of his forgiveness.
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You have yet to prove Gabriel/human messengers/angel messengers bring SOMETHING OTHER than the truth... Do it if you are a man... then we would be glad to doubt the credential of divine messengers... as a good fabricator, liar, forger.. I think you might propose some interesting illogical theories...
You don't know the implication of what you write. I did not say Gabriel bring anything other than the truth. What I provided is a solution that satisfy your falsehood proposition.
In simple English, you are the one who is implying or allowing Gabriel to bring erroneous message.
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There goes you logic to the toilet again.
Allah is the creator of all things (seen or unseen).
You are foolishly bringing Allah down to HIS creation e.g. Gabriel by asking the question
Supporting Allah is not the same as supporting Gabriel.
Allah is the owner of truth. NOT Gabriel. Therefore, when we accept the truth we are supporting Him.
Gabriel DO NOT OWN the Truth. Therefore, you cannot support him like we support Allah. I have already mentioned some of the way prophets could have support Gabriel.
Don't forget WayFinder proposition is falsehood. The messenger in 381 is human. Read all the occurrence of messenger in the Quran.
And here is what he SAID earlier regarding the red part
I can understand supporting Allah. Allah advocates the truth. Whoever supports the truth is in fact supporting Allah. We do this for our own benefit. Allah is in no need of us.
became and you know why?
Just because advocates the truth does not work because each and every messengers advocates the truth... the formula would not work.. He has not only sees that it does not work, but he has been suffering from it as a grass being constantly stomped and crushed by the running Zebra... so he said, why should not I grow a new thorn this time... so this crookedness played on the wordings again and try to use the word this time... Everyone can see these fabrications and juggling done on the words...
But again.. as always.. there is yet ANOTHER major problem which I sadly have to help him to see... he forgets that Muhammad is neither the OWNER, nor the author of the Quran... therefore, Muhammad is NOT the OWNER of the TRUTH... No one OWNS the Word of God... Therefore, supporting Muhammad/Gabriel etc cannot be done according to the theories of this stupid moron... since none of them are OWNERS of the truth...
What a troll... rotfl
EXPOSED AGAIN... OF COURSE... BY HIMSELF!
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You don't know the implication of what you write. I did not say Gabriel bring anything other than the truth. What I provided is a solution that satisfy your falsehood proposition.
In simple English, you are the one who is implying or allowing Gabriel to bring erroneous message.
THE CURSE OF GOD WOULD DEFINITELY STRIKE THE TRUE LIAR BETWEEN ME OR YOU. GOD ALREADY KNOWS ABOUT THE LIAR. HE SEES INTO THE HEART AND THE INTENTIONS... HE PUNISHES THOSE WHO DESERVED TO BE PUNISHED. LET HIM DO HIS WORK... LET US WAIT AND SEE.
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And here is what he SAID earlier regarding the red part
became and you know why?
Just because advocates the truth does not work because each and every messengers advocates the truth... the formula would not work.. He has not only sees that it does not work, but he has been suffering from it as a grass being constantly stomped and crushed by the running Zebra... so he said, why should not I grow a new thorn this time... so this crookedness played on the wordings again and try to use the word this time... Everyone can see these fabrications and juggling done on the words...
But again.. as always.. there is yet ANOTHER major problem which I sadly have to help him to see... he forgets that Muhammad is neither the OWNER, nor the author of the Quran... therefore, Muhammad is NOT the OWNER of the TRUTH... No one OWNS the Word of God... Therefore, supporting Muhammad/Gabriel etc cannot be done according to the theories of this stupid moron... since none of them are OWNERS of the truth...
What a troll... rotfl
EXPOSED AGAIN... OF COURSE... BY HIMSELF!
Allah is the owner of Truth and Falsehood.
Allah advocate Truth. He does not advocate Falsehood.
Is this baby steps sufficient for your understanding?
You grasp falsehood like pit bull grabs his victim.
You will just not let go the falsehood.
Supporting human messenger is supporting Allah. This is NOT the same as prophets supporting Gabriel. Do you need baby steps to get it into your head.
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Allah is the owner of Truth and Falsehood.
Allah advocate Truth. He does not advocate Falsehood.
Is this baby steps sufficient for your understanding?
You grasp falsehood like pit bull grabs his victim.
You will just not let go the falsehood.
Supporting human messenger is supporting Allah. This is NOT the same as prophets supporting Gabriel. Do you need baby steps to get it into your head.
No ... please dont.. its enough... giveup
Do not address me again.. I have wasted enough time with you... i cannot afford anymore unfortunately... giveup
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Allah is the owner of Truth and Falsehood.
Allah advocate Truth. He does not advocate Falsehood.
Is this baby steps sufficient for your understanding?
You grasp falsehood like pit bull grabs his victim.
You will just not let go the falsehood.
Supporting human messenger is supporting Allah. This is NOT the same as prophets supporting Gabriel. Do you need baby steps to get it into your head.
Answering questions would be a start instead of playing the unrighteous condescending bratt