Is Prophet Muhammad?s duty to deliver Quran only?: No
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He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.
This verse is looking at you and WayFinder.
perversity = prophets support/help angel or Gabriel.
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perversity = prophets support/help angel or Gabriel.
Excellent fabrication... keep recording more proof against you... as if it is not yet enough... the record is being kept.. by recorders who never fail in their duties... As if, God has not already explained to us what 'perversity' means... but some liar/fabricator/forger/corruptor has to come and try to explain us the true meaning of the word... May God forgive you for your stupidity if He sees you worth of his forgiveness.
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You have yet to prove Gabriel/human messengers/angel messengers bring SOMETHING OTHER than the truth... Do it if you are a man... then we would be glad to doubt the credential of divine messengers... as a good fabricator, liar, forger.. I think you might propose some interesting illogical theories...
You don't know the implication of what you write. I did not say Gabriel bring anything other than the truth. What I provided is a solution that satisfy your falsehood proposition.
In simple English, you are the one who is implying or allowing Gabriel to bring erroneous message.
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There goes you logic to the toilet again.
Allah is the creator of all things (seen or unseen).
You are foolishly bringing Allah down to HIS creation e.g. Gabriel by asking the question
Supporting Allah is not the same as supporting Gabriel.
Allah is the owner of truth. NOT Gabriel. Therefore, when we accept the truth we are supporting Him.
Gabriel DO NOT OWN the Truth. Therefore, you cannot support him like we support Allah. I have already mentioned some of the way prophets could have support Gabriel.
Don't forget WayFinder proposition is falsehood. The messenger in 381 is human. Read all the occurrence of messenger in the Quran.
And here is what he SAID earlier regarding the red part
I can understand supporting Allah. Allah advocates the truth. Whoever supports the truth is in fact supporting Allah. We do this for our own benefit. Allah is in no need of us.
became and you know why?
Just because advocates the truth does not work because each and every messengers advocates the truth... the formula would not work.. He has not only sees that it does not work, but he has been suffering from it as a grass being constantly stomped and crushed by the running Zebra... so he said, why should not I grow a new thorn this time... so this crookedness played on the wordings again and try to use the word this time... Everyone can see these fabrications and juggling done on the words...
But again.. as always.. there is yet ANOTHER major problem which I sadly have to help him to see... he forgets that Muhammad is neither the OWNER, nor the author of the Quran... therefore, Muhammad is NOT the OWNER of the TRUTH... No one OWNS the Word of God... Therefore, supporting Muhammad/Gabriel etc cannot be done according to the theories of this stupid moron... since none of them are OWNERS of the truth...
What a troll... rotfl
EXPOSED AGAIN... OF COURSE... BY HIMSELF!
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You don't know the implication of what you write. I did not say Gabriel bring anything other than the truth. What I provided is a solution that satisfy your falsehood proposition.
In simple English, you are the one who is implying or allowing Gabriel to bring erroneous message.
THE CURSE OF GOD WOULD DEFINITELY STRIKE THE TRUE LIAR BETWEEN ME OR YOU. GOD ALREADY KNOWS ABOUT THE LIAR. HE SEES INTO THE HEART AND THE INTENTIONS... HE PUNISHES THOSE WHO DESERVED TO BE PUNISHED. LET HIM DO HIS WORK... LET US WAIT AND SEE.
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And here is what he SAID earlier regarding the red part
became and you know why?
Just because advocates the truth does not work because each and every messengers advocates the truth... the formula would not work.. He has not only sees that it does not work, but he has been suffering from it as a grass being constantly stomped and crushed by the running Zebra... so he said, why should not I grow a new thorn this time... so this crookedness played on the wordings again and try to use the word this time... Everyone can see these fabrications and juggling done on the words...
But again.. as always.. there is yet ANOTHER major problem which I sadly have to help him to see... he forgets that Muhammad is neither the OWNER, nor the author of the Quran... therefore, Muhammad is NOT the OWNER of the TRUTH... No one OWNS the Word of God... Therefore, supporting Muhammad/Gabriel etc cannot be done according to the theories of this stupid moron... since none of them are OWNERS of the truth...
What a troll... rotfl
EXPOSED AGAIN... OF COURSE... BY HIMSELF!
Allah is the owner of Truth and Falsehood.
Allah advocate Truth. He does not advocate Falsehood.
Is this baby steps sufficient for your understanding?
You grasp falsehood like pit bull grabs his victim.
You will just not let go the falsehood.
Supporting human messenger is supporting Allah. This is NOT the same as prophets supporting Gabriel. Do you need baby steps to get it into your head.
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Allah is the owner of Truth and Falsehood.
Allah advocate Truth. He does not advocate Falsehood.
Is this baby steps sufficient for your understanding?
You grasp falsehood like pit bull grabs his victim.
You will just not let go the falsehood.
Supporting human messenger is supporting Allah. This is NOT the same as prophets supporting Gabriel. Do you need baby steps to get it into your head.
No ... please dont.. its enough... giveup
Do not address me again.. I have wasted enough time with you... i cannot afford anymore unfortunately... giveup
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Allah is the owner of Truth and Falsehood.
Allah advocate Truth. He does not advocate Falsehood.
Is this baby steps sufficient for your understanding?
You grasp falsehood like pit bull grabs his victim.
You will just not let go the falsehood.
Supporting human messenger is supporting Allah. This is NOT the same as prophets supporting Gabriel. Do you need baby steps to get it into your head.
Answering questions would be a start instead of playing the unrighteous condescending bratt
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Ayisha to Guest
no one at least in this world can answer you hailnot everyone is like you and guest raj. Alhamdulillah! and if you, like guest, are claiming something then you should at least be able to answer questions on it as guest said "A righteous person would have said this is how I do it and that it consistent with Prophet Muhammad?s way for such and such reason." and refused to do that as you have. Therefore, Allah has already exposed you for what you are.
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not everyone is like you and guest raj. Alhamdulillah! and if you, like guest, are claiming something then you should at least be able to answer questions on it as guest said "A righteous person would have said this is how I do it and that it consistent with Prophet Muhammad?s way for such and such reason." and refused to do that as you have. Therefore, Allah has already exposed you for what you are.
no one can answer you, I swear by the donkey and the tree, that might come as messengers to you. laugh
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I honestly became a quran only person, but the truth must be said, most quranists people feel their heart tight when they hear mohamed's name, it bothers them, not all of them but most of them, mohamed is the enemy, they even respect rashad khalfa but not mohamed, they respect abraham too much but not mohamed, they praise scientists and some philosphers and some of them even calls them messengers, but not mohamed
Open your eyes Quran only people, we're all a nobody, knicknames on the internet, people who wants to learn of each other, but if u hear the name of mohamed, give some respect for the greated ruler in the history of mankind , is it me who is saying this??? no , it's allah
wa kountoum khayra umatin ukhrijet linness
you are the best nation that came out to mankind
that is mohamed's generation , the kingdom he established
if his nation was the best nation in the history of mankind, than their ruler ( mohamed ) is the greatest rueler in the history of mankind
whether you like it or not, if you say to me no, that's not true, than I tell u yoy are liars and it is allah who said the truth about mohamed -
I decided to don't post anymore , a lot of people here disrespect me, i love my mother and father, and i love the prophet the same way, i love allah more than all of them, but keeping degrading the prophet like that , i noticed that most of you act as if they do really understand the quran better than prophet mohamed, no wonder a lot of u are calling themselves messengers , well, i believe in the quran only and 's enaulove the one whom allah chose to bring us the quran and ibelieve that mohamed was way way smarter and higher spiritually than you who is reading this post, actually you and me are not worth tighing his shows, and i believe it, as for u taking this as a worship to mahamed, you're wrong, i love allah , and i amnot worth mohamed's fingernail, allah know what's in the hearts of people, mohamed brought the greatest book in the history of mankind, last prophet and messenger, that's enaugh for me to respect him more than anyone in the world, he's dead, it's true, but even him dead, he's worth much more than u and me, i waish i am a dead mohamed, but that's not logical for i am a living person who is not worth to be a successor or to have free will.
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I also think that love for the Prophet and love and respect for the Qur'an only as the word of God are not only not contradictory, but go hand in hand. It is no mean feat to have been able to transmit whole and faithful the revelation, complete, word by word. Nobody has done that before the Prophet Muhammad. We must be thankful to God for him and must have for Muhammad, as God's beloved envoy, a sincere respect and reverence, as a most brilliant creature of our Sovereign. We cannot respect the Qur'an and think at the same time that its transmissi?n faithfully to us was some chance occurrence, and not an act of love for mankind, from God, and from His envoy.
On the other hand it is understandable that where there have been excesses one way, there should be excesses afterwards the other way. We should try to avoid them.
Salaam
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I honestly became a quran only person, but the truth must be said, most quranists people feel their heart tight when they hear mohamed's name, it bothers them, not all of them but most of them, mohamed is the enemy, they even respect rashad khalfa but not mohamed, they respect abraham too much but not mohamed, they praise scientists and some philosphers and some of them even calls them messengers, but not mohamed
Open your eyes Quran only people, we're all a nobody, knicknames on the internet, people who wants to learn of each other, but if u hear the name of mohamed, give some respect for the greated ruler in the history of mankind , is it me who is saying this??? no , it's allah
wa kountoum khayra umatin ukhrijet linness
you are the best nation that came out to mankind
that is mohamed's generation , the kingdom he established
if his nation was the best nation in the history of mankind, than their ruler ( mohamed ) is the greatest rueler in the history of mankind
whether you like it or not, if you say to me no, that's not true, than I tell u yoy are liars and it is allah who said the truth about mohamedDid you read the entire 22 pages before you came up with this?
Answer me this, how can anyone who follows Quran NOT love and respect prophet Muhammed?
Nowhere on these pages does anyone ever say that apart from the accusers who prefer to worship him along with Allah. Those who cannot see that praise and worship is for Allah alone and Muhammed's duty was to deliever a message, this is not my words but Allah Himself says this. For a Quran aloner Muhammed could NEVER be the enemy. It seems you have gone through and picked up certain people's wild accusations without bothering to check if they are true or not!
for the record, I an not a 19er, I do not follow or even respect Khalifa. I love and respect all prophet's of Allah and make no distinction among any of them as 2.285 instructs.
the best nation of mankind are the Muslims, those that follow what the prophet's followed, not the nation of Quraish or Arabs but those that follow what was revealed as the prophet did.
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Those who cannot see that praise and worship is for Allah alone and Muhammed's duty was to deliever a message, this is not my words but Allah Himself says this.
Praise- What is its definition, meanings, perception, and how is it reflected for others?
Worship-What is its definition, meanings, perception, and how is it reflected for others that someone is worshipping?
What are those "symptoms" where one could be alleged that he is "worshipping" the Messenger of Allah?
I wish one is restricted to specifics.
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I decided to don't post anymore , a lot of people here disrespect me, i love my mother and father, and i love the prophet the same way, i love allah more than all of them, but keeping degrading the prophet like that , i noticed that most of you act as if they do really understand the quran better than prophet mohamed, no wonder a lot of u are calling themselves messengers
Dear Loxbox
I am surprised that you have found people here on this forum that calls themselves messengers, because I take it that you mean people putting themselves to the same rank as Mohammed? Please link, I am very curious.
I honestly became a quran only person, but the truth must be said, most quranists people feel their heart tight when they hear mohamed's name, it bothers them, not all of them but most of them, mohamed is the enemy, they even respect rashad khalfa but not mohamed, they respect abraham too much but not mohamed, they praise scientists and some philosphers and some of them even calls them messengers, but not mohamed
Open your eyes Quran only people, we're all a nobody, knicknames on the internet, people who wants to learn of each other, but if u hear the name of mohamed, give some respect for the greated ruler in the history of mankind , is it me who is saying this??? no , it's allahDear Loxbox
Have you ever considered all the hadiths that write about Mohammed in a very, very, very immoral way. What direction he stands when peeing, Mohammed talking openly about sexual intercourses with his wife Ayisha, etc. etc. The followers of these hadiths love and respect Mohammed so much they even try to look like him. If that is not irony then I don't know what is.
How can you make us into Mohammed haters when all we do is see him for what he was, a messenger of God, the one who delivered the Quran?Please do not mix 19 with QA, I (and probably some more active on this forum) spent too much time getting people to see there is a difference.