Is Prophet Muhammad?s duty to deliver Quran only?: No
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No you are wrong, it was in your definition when you were twisting what wayfinder had said and applying your 'logical deductions'.
so how does it stand on US supporting Allah then? I notice you keep avoiding that question. Do we give Him food or shelter Him or what? But thats what Quran SAYS that we support Allah and He will support us, explain that with your logical deductions if it's so ridiculous to think about 'supporting' Gabriel.47.7 RK O you who believe, if you support GOD, He will support you, and strengthen your foothold.
There goes you logic to the toilet again.
Allah is the creator of all things (seen or unseen).
You are foolishly bringing Allah down to HIS creation e.g. Gabriel by asking the question
Supporting Allah is not the same as supporting Gabriel.
Allah is the owner of truth. NOT Gabriel. Therefore, when we accept the truth we are supporting Him.
Gabriel DO NOT OWN the Truth. Therefore, you cannot support him like we support Allah. I have already mentioned some of the way prophets could have support Gabriel.
Don't forget WayFinder proposition is falsehood. The messenger in 381 is human. Read all the occurrence of messenger in the Quran.
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There goes you logic to the toilet again.
Allah is the creator of all things (seen or unseen).
You are foolishly bringing Allah down to HIS creation e.g. Gabriel by asking the question
Supporting Allah is not the same as supporting Gabriel.
Allah is the owner of truth. NOT Gabriel. Therefore, when we accept the truth we are supporting Him.
Gabriel DO NOT OWN the Truth. Therefore, you cannot support him like we support Allah. I have already mentioned some of the way prophets could have support Gabriel.
Don't forget WayFinder proposition is falsehood. The messenger in 381 is human. Read all the occurrence of messenger in the Quran.
I see a lot of words, but did you actually say anything?
Does Allah say support the messengers?
Does Allah say support Him?
Does Allah say He will support us?I know what messenger means and I know Gabriel was a messenger who brought the message from Allah to the various prophets. If your definition of messenger is different to one who brings a message then you are not following Quran, possibly following 'what your fathers followed' again.
As for 3.81, did you not read this far
He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.
So it makes no difference to me who the messenger in 3.81 was and also of course you missed this again
You have posted in here 'this is wrong' 'i reject' 'satanic' and all sorts but even when asked countless times you have not once said "this is how I do it and that it consistent with Prophet Muhammad?s way for such and such reason." and YOU are the one that said "A righteous person would have said this is how I do it and that it consistent with Prophet Muhammad?s way for such and such reason." so you even contradict yourself and by logical deduction I deduce that you are not a righteous person.
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There goes you logic to the toilet again.
Allah is the creator of all things (seen or unseen).
You are foolishly bringing Allah down to HIS creation e.g. Gabriel by asking the question
Supporting Allah is not the same as supporting Gabriel.
Allah is the owner of truth. NOT Gabriel. Therefore, when we accept the truth we are supporting Him.
Gabriel DO NOT OWN the Truth. Therefore, you cannot support him like we support Allah. I have already mentioned some of the way prophets could have support Gabriel.
Don't forget WayFinder proposition is falsehood. The messenger in 381 is human. Read all the occurrence of messenger in the Quran.
Hey you, king of Fools...
Here you go again.. you have said
And this foolishness above is based on only 1 implication of support which can neither be applied to God, not to angels...
You have disregarded all the other implications... Which i have constantly quoted... Moreover, you have FABRICATED, as a SERIAL LIAR, new implications and falsehood regarding the meaning of support...
You have yet to prove Gabriel/human messengers/angel messengers bring SOMETHING OTHER than the truth... Do it if you are a man... then we would be glad to doubt the credential of divine messengers... as a good fabricator, liar, forger.. I think you might propose some interesting illogical theories...
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He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.
This verse is looking at you and WayFinder.
perversity = prophets support/help angel or Gabriel.
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perversity = prophets support/help angel or Gabriel.
Excellent fabrication... keep recording more proof against you... as if it is not yet enough... the record is being kept.. by recorders who never fail in their duties... As if, God has not already explained to us what 'perversity' means... but some liar/fabricator/forger/corruptor has to come and try to explain us the true meaning of the word... May God forgive you for your stupidity if He sees you worth of his forgiveness.
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You have yet to prove Gabriel/human messengers/angel messengers bring SOMETHING OTHER than the truth... Do it if you are a man... then we would be glad to doubt the credential of divine messengers... as a good fabricator, liar, forger.. I think you might propose some interesting illogical theories...
You don't know the implication of what you write. I did not say Gabriel bring anything other than the truth. What I provided is a solution that satisfy your falsehood proposition.
In simple English, you are the one who is implying or allowing Gabriel to bring erroneous message.
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There goes you logic to the toilet again.
Allah is the creator of all things (seen or unseen).
You are foolishly bringing Allah down to HIS creation e.g. Gabriel by asking the question
Supporting Allah is not the same as supporting Gabriel.
Allah is the owner of truth. NOT Gabriel. Therefore, when we accept the truth we are supporting Him.
Gabriel DO NOT OWN the Truth. Therefore, you cannot support him like we support Allah. I have already mentioned some of the way prophets could have support Gabriel.
Don't forget WayFinder proposition is falsehood. The messenger in 381 is human. Read all the occurrence of messenger in the Quran.
And here is what he SAID earlier regarding the red part
I can understand supporting Allah. Allah advocates the truth. Whoever supports the truth is in fact supporting Allah. We do this for our own benefit. Allah is in no need of us.
became and you know why?
Just because advocates the truth does not work because each and every messengers advocates the truth... the formula would not work.. He has not only sees that it does not work, but he has been suffering from it as a grass being constantly stomped and crushed by the running Zebra... so he said, why should not I grow a new thorn this time... so this crookedness played on the wordings again and try to use the word this time... Everyone can see these fabrications and juggling done on the words...
But again.. as always.. there is yet ANOTHER major problem which I sadly have to help him to see... he forgets that Muhammad is neither the OWNER, nor the author of the Quran... therefore, Muhammad is NOT the OWNER of the TRUTH... No one OWNS the Word of God... Therefore, supporting Muhammad/Gabriel etc cannot be done according to the theories of this stupid moron... since none of them are OWNERS of the truth...
What a troll... rotfl
EXPOSED AGAIN... OF COURSE... BY HIMSELF!
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You don't know the implication of what you write. I did not say Gabriel bring anything other than the truth. What I provided is a solution that satisfy your falsehood proposition.
In simple English, you are the one who is implying or allowing Gabriel to bring erroneous message.
THE CURSE OF GOD WOULD DEFINITELY STRIKE THE TRUE LIAR BETWEEN ME OR YOU. GOD ALREADY KNOWS ABOUT THE LIAR. HE SEES INTO THE HEART AND THE INTENTIONS... HE PUNISHES THOSE WHO DESERVED TO BE PUNISHED. LET HIM DO HIS WORK... LET US WAIT AND SEE.
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And here is what he SAID earlier regarding the red part
became and you know why?
Just because advocates the truth does not work because each and every messengers advocates the truth... the formula would not work.. He has not only sees that it does not work, but he has been suffering from it as a grass being constantly stomped and crushed by the running Zebra... so he said, why should not I grow a new thorn this time... so this crookedness played on the wordings again and try to use the word this time... Everyone can see these fabrications and juggling done on the words...
But again.. as always.. there is yet ANOTHER major problem which I sadly have to help him to see... he forgets that Muhammad is neither the OWNER, nor the author of the Quran... therefore, Muhammad is NOT the OWNER of the TRUTH... No one OWNS the Word of God... Therefore, supporting Muhammad/Gabriel etc cannot be done according to the theories of this stupid moron... since none of them are OWNERS of the truth...
What a troll... rotfl
EXPOSED AGAIN... OF COURSE... BY HIMSELF!
Allah is the owner of Truth and Falsehood.
Allah advocate Truth. He does not advocate Falsehood.
Is this baby steps sufficient for your understanding?
You grasp falsehood like pit bull grabs his victim.
You will just not let go the falsehood.
Supporting human messenger is supporting Allah. This is NOT the same as prophets supporting Gabriel. Do you need baby steps to get it into your head.
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Allah is the owner of Truth and Falsehood.
Allah advocate Truth. He does not advocate Falsehood.
Is this baby steps sufficient for your understanding?
You grasp falsehood like pit bull grabs his victim.
You will just not let go the falsehood.
Supporting human messenger is supporting Allah. This is NOT the same as prophets supporting Gabriel. Do you need baby steps to get it into your head.
No ... please dont.. its enough... giveup
Do not address me again.. I have wasted enough time with you... i cannot afford anymore unfortunately... giveup
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Allah is the owner of Truth and Falsehood.
Allah advocate Truth. He does not advocate Falsehood.
Is this baby steps sufficient for your understanding?
You grasp falsehood like pit bull grabs his victim.
You will just not let go the falsehood.
Supporting human messenger is supporting Allah. This is NOT the same as prophets supporting Gabriel. Do you need baby steps to get it into your head.
Answering questions would be a start instead of playing the unrighteous condescending bratt
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Ayisha to Guest
no one at least in this world can answer you hailnot everyone is like you and guest raj. Alhamdulillah! and if you, like guest, are claiming something then you should at least be able to answer questions on it as guest said "A righteous person would have said this is how I do it and that it consistent with Prophet Muhammad?s way for such and such reason." and refused to do that as you have. Therefore, Allah has already exposed you for what you are.
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not everyone is like you and guest raj. Alhamdulillah! and if you, like guest, are claiming something then you should at least be able to answer questions on it as guest said "A righteous person would have said this is how I do it and that it consistent with Prophet Muhammad?s way for such and such reason." and refused to do that as you have. Therefore, Allah has already exposed you for what you are.
no one can answer you, I swear by the donkey and the tree, that might come as messengers to you. laugh
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I honestly became a quran only person, but the truth must be said, most quranists people feel their heart tight when they hear mohamed's name, it bothers them, not all of them but most of them, mohamed is the enemy, they even respect rashad khalfa but not mohamed, they respect abraham too much but not mohamed, they praise scientists and some philosphers and some of them even calls them messengers, but not mohamed
Open your eyes Quran only people, we're all a nobody, knicknames on the internet, people who wants to learn of each other, but if u hear the name of mohamed, give some respect for the greated ruler in the history of mankind , is it me who is saying this??? no , it's allah
wa kountoum khayra umatin ukhrijet linness
you are the best nation that came out to mankind
that is mohamed's generation , the kingdom he established
if his nation was the best nation in the history of mankind, than their ruler ( mohamed ) is the greatest rueler in the history of mankind
whether you like it or not, if you say to me no, that's not true, than I tell u yoy are liars and it is allah who said the truth about mohamed -
I decided to don't post anymore , a lot of people here disrespect me, i love my mother and father, and i love the prophet the same way, i love allah more than all of them, but keeping degrading the prophet like that , i noticed that most of you act as if they do really understand the quran better than prophet mohamed, no wonder a lot of u are calling themselves messengers , well, i believe in the quran only and 's enaulove the one whom allah chose to bring us the quran and ibelieve that mohamed was way way smarter and higher spiritually than you who is reading this post, actually you and me are not worth tighing his shows, and i believe it, as for u taking this as a worship to mahamed, you're wrong, i love allah , and i amnot worth mohamed's fingernail, allah know what's in the hearts of people, mohamed brought the greatest book in the history of mankind, last prophet and messenger, that's enaugh for me to respect him more than anyone in the world, he's dead, it's true, but even him dead, he's worth much more than u and me, i waish i am a dead mohamed, but that's not logical for i am a living person who is not worth to be a successor or to have free will.
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I also think that love for the Prophet and love and respect for the Qur'an only as the word of God are not only not contradictory, but go hand in hand. It is no mean feat to have been able to transmit whole and faithful the revelation, complete, word by word. Nobody has done that before the Prophet Muhammad. We must be thankful to God for him and must have for Muhammad, as God's beloved envoy, a sincere respect and reverence, as a most brilliant creature of our Sovereign. We cannot respect the Qur'an and think at the same time that its transmissi?n faithfully to us was some chance occurrence, and not an act of love for mankind, from God, and from His envoy.
On the other hand it is understandable that where there have been excesses one way, there should be excesses afterwards the other way. We should try to avoid them.
Salaam