WHO, IS QURAN TO BE RECITED TO...ALLAH OR MEN?
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SHM
Please, contain your emotionalism, thanks.
you still with this "ritual" thing. look, your definition of "ritual" is in conflict with my defintion of a "ritual". We will never resolve this issue because our definitinons are in conflict with each other. This is the definition i use http//encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/ritual.html. And i can see you use a different defintion to suite you purpose. but honestly the issues i raise have NOTHING To do with "ritual". Salat and many other things, for example ablution before salat are ritual by pure definition (56). Even by your defintion, ablution is a ritual. But who cares.
The Encarta definition isn't any different than the Merriam-Webster definition, in fact, they contain the same key words i.e. established, formal, precise, etc. You see, SHM, it doesn't matter what your definition of ritual is, because by your own admission, there is not such term in Al-Quran for ritual nor does Allah label salaa as a ritual, hence, you wish to create a definition for something where Allah didn't.
rit?u?al
noun (plural rit?u?als)
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established formal behavior an established and prescribed pattern of observance, for example, in a religion
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actions done formally and repeatedly the performance of actions or procedures in a set, ordered, and ceremonial way ( often used before a noun )
a ritual dance -
unchanging pattern a formalized pattern of actions or words followed regularly and precisely ( informal )
the weekend car-washing ritual
According to the Merriam-Webster and Encarta definitions for a ritual, how is the command to wash one's self in 56 a ritual? Does Allah call it a ritual?
The issue of ritual salaa is resolved. You have not been able to prove that there is any such thing in Al-Quran no matter how much you want it to be...by your own admission. What, are you going to prescribe a ritual and make a it law where Allah didn't? What, are you going to continue to say Allah prescribed such an such and then not produce the ayats where Allah, in fact, said such and such? Do you think Allah likes people to make a liar of him?
You need to demonstrate some some intellectual/Islamic maturity and honesty and simply admit you've lost this debate and stop saying of Allah what He didn't say Himself, and let's move on to the next topic.
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You need to demonstrate some some intellectual/Islamic maturity and honesty and simply admit you've lost this debate and stop saying of Allah what He didn't say Himself, and let's move on to the next topic.
if it will make you address the issues i presented, then
i admit the word ritual is not in the koran. wink
I have lost nothing, because the issues i raise are more important than the resence of a word in in the koran. NOW PLEASE ADDRESS THOSE ISSUE!!!! Please.stop saying of Allah what He didn't say Himself
i didnt not say something about Allah that he didnt say Himself. We simply disagree on what a ritual is. Salat is a ritual by defintion, just like the koran is poetry by defintion, GOD doesnt need to say that it is for people to simply observe that factual statment. You are commit to the "exact" word argument, which will prove idiotic in your own argument of "spiritual guidance" only and subjective uses of verses.
That is why you want me to admit i "lost" this debate. It is GOd who honors and humble people. Not you oh "priest".
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Hi,
The most dangerous attribute I have is EGO(Shaytan).I try to contain shaytan but when it overwhelms me not only would my vision be impaired my senses and my brain would become mushy.
lol take it as a loose cannon.
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SHM
if it will make you address the issues i presented, then
i admit the word ritual is not in the koran.You've already done that.
I have lost nothing, because the issues i raise are more important than the resence of a word in in the koran. NOW PLEASE ADDRESS THOSE ISSUE!!!! Please.
Then my question remains...how can you continue to assert that there is a ritual salaa which we are to perform, when, by your own admission, Allah, Himself, does not say such a thing?
i didnt not say something about Allah that he didnt say Himself. We simply disagree on what a ritual is.
Oh, but you have. If you are going to continue to assert that there is such a thing as a ritual salaa, despite, the fact that, Allah has not defined it as such , yet, you still want to say that there is a ritual salaa, well then, you are saying something which Allah didn't, what are you talking about?
Salat is a ritual by defintion, just like the koran is poetry by defintion,
How can Al-Quran be poetry by definition, when Allah says the following
And We have not taught him poetry, nor is it meet for him; it is nothing but a reminder and a plain Quran,
You continue to say that, "salaa, by definition, is a ritual"...by whose definition? Did Allah define it as such, that is, does He call it a ritual? You've already admitted that He doesn't, so...what is this continued...salaa by definition stuff?
That is why you want me to admit i "lost" this debate.
- Say the things that my Lord hath indeed made haram are shameful deeds, whether open or secret; sins and trespasses against truth or reason; assigning of partners to Allah, for which He hath given no authority; and that you say against Allah what you do not know.
Main Entry AGAINST in opposition or hostility to contrary to.
- Or have they taken for worship (other) gods besides him? Say, "Bring your convincing proof this is the Message of those with me and the Message of those before me." But most of them know not the Truth, and so turn away.
You have lost it. If you cannot, per the above ayats, prove what you assert by way of Al-Quran, then, you are acting against/contrary to Allah, and are simply setting yourself up as a god/guide, that is to say
2543 Seest thou such a one as taketh for his god his own passion (or impulse)? Couldst thou be a disposer of affairs for him?
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SHM
if it will make you address the issues i presented, then
i admit the word ritual is not in the koran.You've already done that.
I have lost nothing, because the issues i raise are more important than the resence of a word in in the koran. NOW PLEASE ADDRESS THOSE ISSUE!!!! Please.
Then my question remains...how can you continue to assert that there is a ritual salaa which we are to perform, when, by your own admission, Allah, Himself, does not say such a thing?
i didnt not say something about Allah that he didnt say Himself. We simply disagree on what a ritual is.
Oh, but you have. If you are going to continue to assert that there is such a thing as a ritual salaa, despite, the fact that, Allah has not defined it as such , yet, you still want to say that there is a ritual salaa, well then, you are saying something which Allah didn't, what are you talking about?
Salat is a ritual by defintion, just like the koran is poetry by defintion,
How can Al-Quran be poetry by definition, when Allah says the following
And We have not taught him poetry, nor is it meet for him; it is nothing but a reminder and a plain Quran,
You continue to say that, "salaa, by definition, is a ritual"...by whose definition? Did Allah define it as such, that is, does He call it a ritual? You've already admitted that He doesn't, so...what is this continued...salaa by definition stuff?
That is why you want me to admit i "lost" this debate.
- Say the things that my Lord hath indeed made haram are shameful deeds, whether open or secret; sins and trespasses against truth or reason; assigning of partners to Allah, for which He hath given no authority; and that you say against Allah what you do not know.
Main Entry AGAINST in opposition or hostility to contrary to.
- Or have they taken for worship (other) gods besides him? Say, "Bring your convincing proof this is the Message of those with me and the Message of those before me." But most of them know not the Truth, and so turn away.
You have lost it. If you cannot, per the above ayats, prove what you assert by way of Al-Quran, then, you are acting against/contrary to Allah, and are simply setting yourself up as a god/guide, that is to say
2543 Seest thou such a one as taketh for his god his own passion (or impulse)? Couldst thou be a disposer of affairs for him?
i enjoy talking with you. but i can see you dont want to address the issues i presented. Peace brother (or sister i think).
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Hi,
The most dangerous attribute I have is EGO(Shaytan).I try to contain shaytan but when it overwhelms me not only would my vision be impaired my senses and my brain would become mushy.
lol take it as a loose cannon.
huh?
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SHM
i enjoy talking with you. but i can see you dont want to address the issues i presented. Peace brother (or sister i think).
I'm a brother, sister.
I enjoy talking with as well, however, from experience, I've found it pointless to jump from issue to issue without resolving one, hence, why I've kept the focus on ritual/ritul prayer. The issue of salaa, for me anyway, is resolved. You could not, by way of Quran, prove your assertion, hence, it is contrary to Quran/not a valid one. If you wish to move on to the issue of..."fully detailed" that would be fine with me, and, if not, well, that would be fine with me as well, sister.
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SHM
i enjoy talking with you. but i can see you dont want to address the issues i presented. Peace brother (or sister i think).
I'm a brother, sister.
I enjoy talking with as well, however, from experience, I've found it pointless to jump from issue to issue without resolving one, hence, why I've kept the focus on ritual/ritul prayer. The issue of salaa, for me anyway, is resolved. You could not, by way of Quran, prove your assertion, hence, it is contrary to Quran/not a valid one. If you wish to move on to the issue of..."fully detailed" that would be fine with me, and, if not, well, that would be fine with me as well, sister.
i am a brother.
i really would like you the address the issues i raise, especially your subjective use of "fully-detialed." Many say the koran is fully-detail in all matters, yet hopefully i will prove to you that this argument is very subjective and baseless.
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Many say the koran is fully-detail in all matters, yet hopefully i will prove to you that this argument is very subjective and baseless.
Erm, actually GOD says it's fully detailed.
Peace.
Shall I seek other than God as a judge when He has sent down to you this Scripture fully detailed? Those to whom We have given the Scripture know it is sent down from your Lord with truth; so do not be of those who have doubt.
And the word of your Lord has been completed with truth and justice, there is no changing His words. He is the Hearer, the Knower.A Scripture whose verses are detailed, a Quran in Arabic, for a people who know.
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PEACE ZENJE
You stole my thunder...I was going to post those exact ayats.
I wonder how he rationalize not accepting them.
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Many say the koran is fully-detail in all matters, yet hopefully i will prove to you that this argument is very subjective and baseless.
Erm, actually GOD says it's fully detailed.
Peace.
Shall I seek other than God as a judge when He has sent down to you this Scripture fully detailed? Those to whom We have given the Scripture know it is sent down from your Lord with truth; so do not be of those who have doubt.
And the word of your Lord has been completed with truth and justice, there is no changing His words. He is the Hearer, the Knower.A Scripture whose verses are detailed, a Quran in Arabic, for a people who know.
PEACE ZENJE
You stole my thunder...I was going to post those exact ayats.
I wonder how he rationalize not accepting them.
I am fully aware what GOD said about his scripture, al-quran. My dispute has nothing to do with what GOD said, but people abusing it and subjectively applying it.
For example, verses 6114-115. People love to quote this verses. They believe that these verse prove that nothing can exist outside the koran as important source of religious knowledge. However, if one read the verses right before these two, you learn that GOD was making specific reference to a particular subject matter. Abusing the Koran is quoting verses OUT OF CONTEXT, to prove baseless points.The verses is addressing lies attributed by "the enemies of every prophet." Then GOd said, shall you seek "GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?". Meaning "shall you believe and follow those lies when this book is fully-detailed in those matters."
The reason i say people abuse these verses is because NOT EVERYTHING IS FULLY DETASILED IN THE KORAN! For example, the dress code for submitting men and women are not fully-detailed. Yet when you bring this to the awareness of those who preach "everything in the koran only" they subjectively select this matter as not important as "spiritual guidance", contradicting themselves to what they testify. Although everthing in the Koran is for guidance only (2185), people who prech "koran only" would subjectively select what is guidance, "spiritual guidance" , koranic guidance, and all other classification to aviod explaining why the details for many issues in the koran is not "fully-detailed."
For example,
And tell the believing women to subdue their eyes, and maintain their chastity. They shall not reveal any parts of their bodies, except that which is necessary. They shall cover their chests, and shall not relax this code in the presence of other than their husbands, their fathers, the fathers of their husbands, their sons, the sons of their husbands, their brothers, the sons of their brothers, the sons of their sisters, other women, the male servants or employees whose sexual drive has been nullified, or the children who have not reached puberty. They shall not strike their feet when they walk in order to shake and reveal certain details of their bodies. All of you shall repent to GOD, O you believers, that you may succeed.
Here is clear commandment for women to cover the their chest, and in other veres they (women) are told to lenghten their garment. However, it is not fully-detailed. For example
- How long?
- Cover what part of the chest?
- Cover what part of the body besides the chest?
- Can their legs show?
- Can thier arms show?
etc. etc.
And other questions can developed. Techinically, a woman can wear only a swiming suit and meet all the koranic standards of modesty "fully-detailed" in the Koran. Why? Because with a swiming suit or body suit, all the areas specfically mention are indeed cover.
However, when this argument is use, people say "will they have to be modest, and modesty mean not being sexually appealing". But this prove the inconsistency within the argument. For example, where did they get that defintion of "modesty", it was surely not the koran but outside the koran. Where did they get the defintion for most of the arabic words they redefine? Didnt you look into the "arabic dictionary" as a source outside the koran to understand the koran.
Techinicaly, accordingly to those who preach "koran in everything" argument, a women who seek information and knowledge from an outside source than koran in how to dress modestly, is committing idolatry since "everything is fully-detailed" in the Koran. this is illogical.
My point is, either way you look at it, people who testify to the "everything is in the Koran" argument is simply exposing themselves as contradicting, subjective, hypocritical. They never really use the koran as the only absolute source in seeking information, guidance, source of law, or understand meaning. Then when you expose this to them, they subjective select what is important in the koran and what is not. However, the koran never classify the koran in such catergories but only a guidance (4144). Thats why they use terms like "spritual guidance" and "spiritual development" as a way to aviod this factual statement that not everything is fully-detailed in the koran. However, when God states "fully-detailed" it is always use in context.
However, when people seek knowledge to understand the koran using, previous scripture, history, mathematical structure, we are considerd "seeking a source of law outside the Koran." that is illogical and hypocritical.
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PEACE SHM
O.K., we will move forward with the issue of..."fully detailed".
"The reason i say people abuse these verses is because NOT EVERYTHING IS FULLY DETASILED IN THE KORAN!...and all other classification to aviod explaining why the details for many issues in the koran is not "fully-detailed."
Alright, tell us then...what does Allah mean when He says
- Say "Shall I seek for judge other than Allah. - when He it is Who hath sent unto you the Book, explained in detail." They know full well, to whom We have given the Book, that it hath been sent down from thy Lord in truth. Never be then of those who doubt.
16.89 And on the day when We will raise up in every people a witness against them from among themselves, and bring you as a witness against these-- and We have revealed the Book to you explaining clearly everything, and a guidance and mercy and good news for those who submit.
18.54] And certainly We have explained in this Quran every kind of example, and man is most of all given to contention.
Allah, in the following ayat, makes it clear that by Book He means Al-Quran
41.3 A Book of which the ayats are made plain, an Arabic Quran for a people who know
28.2 These are the ayats of the Book that makes (things) clear.
Given the above ayats then, what does Allah mean when he defines His Quran as fully detailed?
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PEACE SHM
O.K., we will move forward with the issue of..."fully detailed".
"The reason i say people abuse these verses is because NOT EVERYTHING IS FULLY DETASILED IN THE KORAN!...and all other classification to aviod explaining why the details for many issues in the koran is not "fully-detailed."
Alright, tell us then...what does Allah mean when He says
- Say "Shall I seek for judge other than Allah. - when He it is Who hath sent unto you the Book, explained in detail." They know full well, to whom We have given the Book, that it hath been sent down from thy Lord in truth. Never be then of those who doubt.
16.89 And on the day when We will raise up in every people a witness against them from among themselves, and bring you as a witness against these-- and We have revealed the Book to you explaining clearly everything, and a guidance and mercy and good news for those who submit.
18.54] And certainly We have explained in this Quran every kind of example, and man is most of all given to contention.
Allah, in the following ayat, makes it clear that by Book He means Al-Quran
41.3 A Book of which the ayats are made plain, an Arabic Quran for a people who know
28.2 These are the ayats of the Book that makes (things) clear.
Given the above ayats then, what does Allah mean when he defines His Quran as fully detailed?
do you actually read my entire post or just glance at it?
Given the above ayats then, what does Allah mean when he defines His Quran as fully detailed?
that question denpends on context.
"The reason i say people abuse these verses is because NOT EVERYTHING IS FULLY DETASILED IN THE KORAN!...and all other classification to aviod explaining why the details for many issues in the koran is not "fully-detailed."
***i like how you edit my statement which was an example of how it is not "fully-detailed". Very clever and shady wink
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SHM
that question denpends on context.
For you to make this claim, you must then provide the ayat where Allah says..."EXCEPT", otherwise, you are saying something, again, which Allah did not say Himself. The following ayats not context bound, but rather, are ALL inclusive statements
16.89 And on the day when We will raise up in every people a witness against them from among themselves, and bring you as a witness against these-- and We have revealed the Book to you explaining clearly everything, and a guidance and mercy and good news for those who submit.
18.54 And certainly We have explained in this Quran every kind of example, and man is most of all given to contention.
Can you read, brother? I really don't understand how you cannot grasp two such absolutely crystal clear ayats. Is it because you just love to argue/be contentious, as it says in 1854? Do you really want to be of those to whom the following ayat applies?
2.6 Surely those who disbelieve, it being alike to them whether you warn them, or do not warn them, will not believe.
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SHM
that question denpends on context.
For you to make this claim, you must then provide the ayat where Allah says..."EXCEPT", otherwise, you are saying something, again, which Allah did not say Himself. The following ayats not context bound, but rather, are ALL inclusive statements
You know what...you are right. GOD need to say "except".
So can you please show me where it is in the Koran i can find the instruction on how to make a car. Oh and how to design a website. please. -
SHM
You know what...you are right. GOD need to say "except".
Yes, He does, and, in fact, in at least two places in Al-Quran, He uses the word..."except".
So can you please show me where it is in the Koran i can find the instruction on how to make a car. Oh and how to design a website. please
.You really need to control yourself and stop making comments like this. Your comments, whether you know it or not or believe it or not, are contemptuous of Allah and His Quran. You need to do this for your own sake, because in the end, it is you will who experience the consequences of your actions.
Moving on...
Allah says that
5156 And I have not created the jinn and the men except that they should serve Me.
How do Jinn and men know how to serve Allah? The following ayats answer that question
2.185 The month of Ramazan is that in which the Quran was revealed, a guidance to men and clear proofs of the guidance...
17.9 Surely this Quran guides to that which is most upright and gives good news to the believers who do good that they shall have a great reward.
What did/does Quran guide men to..the Straight Path.
42.52 And thus did We reveal to you an inspired book by Our command. You did not know what the Book was, nor (what) the faith (was), but We made IT a light, guiding thereby whom We please of Our servants; and most surely you show the way to the Straight Path
19.36 And surely Allah is my Lord and your Lord, therefore serve Him; this is the Straight Path.
Now, why should Jinn and men follow the Straight Path by serving Allah? Well, if they serve Allah, then they inherit Paradise and, if they don't,...Hell, hence, the "object of life"/reason for the the existence of Jinn and men, is to gain Paradise
3185 Every soul shall have a taste of death And only on the Day of Judgment shall you be paid your full recompense. Only he who is saved far from the Fire and admitted to the Garden will have attained the object (of Life) For the life of this world is but goods and chattels of deception.
413 Those are limits set by Allah. Those who obey Allah and His Messenger will be admitted to Gardens with rivers flowing beneath, to abide therein (for ever) and that will be the Supreme Achievement.
Ayat 5156 explains cleary the reason for our existence--to serve Allah, and we serve Him by doing good deeds/practicing righteousness, as detailed in HIS Book of Truth/Light/Clear Proofs--AL-QUR-AN.
The object of life, therefore, is to do good deeds/practice righteousness so that Allah will grant us the Supreme Achievement--Paradise. Allah, gave us Al-Qur-an for our guidance/growth/development and for the establishing of Islamic jurisprudence, in order that we practice righteousness in this world and, by doing so, enter Paradise in the next.
With this in mnd then, what hasn't Allah hasn't fully explained/detailed, in the best way, in His Qur-an towards that end and, what question/arguement cannot be definitively answered in Qur'an, toward this end?The above ayats should put to rest that, indeed, Al-Quran is fully detailed.
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The object of life, therefore, is to do good deeds/practice righteousness so that Allah will grant us the Supreme Achievement--Paradise.
i agree, that is indeed the object of life.
Allah, gave us Al-Qur-an for our guidance/growth/development and for the establishing of Islamic jurisprudence, in order that we practice righteousness in this world and, by doing so, enter Paradise in the next.
i agree, the koran was given for our guidance, period.
With this in mnd then
are you admitting to CONTEXT....hmmm...interesting
With this in mnd then, what hasn't Allah hasn't fully explained/detailed, in the best way, in His Qur-an towards that end and, what question/arguement cannot be definitively answered in Qur'an, toward this end?
Ah....That is the problem. YOU subjectively select the context of "fully-detailed." It is the same old argument you and other use. I already explain how the koran is not "fully-detailed" by your concept of "everything in the koran only" argument, but here it is again.
The dress code for submitting men and women are not fully-detailed. Yet when you bring this to the awareness of those who preach "everything in the koran only" they subjectively select this matter as not important as "spiritual guidance", contradicting themselves to what they testify. IF our dress is not important or in the context of "spiritual development" WHY WOULD GOD EVEN MENTION IT! Although everthing in the Koran is for guidance only (2185), people who preach "koran in everything only" would subjectively select what is guidance, "spiritual guidance" , koranic guidance, and all other classification to aviod explaining why the details for many issues in the koran is not "fully-detailed."
That is exactly what you are doing "Priest." Yet you are completely unaware of it. You are subjectively selecting what GOD means by fully-detailed. You know if GOD didnt say it Himself, YOU are saying it for him right, lying on Him right?
Did GOD say the koran is only for spiritual, religious, human development and all those other "classifications" you developed. NO. Or maybe you have an "hidden" ayat to quote that says that exactly. But remember, if GOD didnt say it, you are saying it for Him.
I dont think we are on the same track. So i will ask some simply questions to prove my point. What does "everything" means? Okay now read this verse.
The day will come when we will raise from every community a witness from among them, and bring you as the witness of these people. We have revealed to you this book to provide explanations for everything, and guidance, and mercy, and good news for the submitters.
Please noted it says "EVERYTHING AND GUIDANCE", isolating the two elements as something different and not similar.
Yes, He does, and, in fact, in at least two places in Al-Quran, He uses the word..."except".
Okay....Did GOD use "except" here? If he didnt, which he didnt, what does "everything" mean. The verse clearly states an "explanations for everything." So "everything" here means "everything" or "somethings" or just "religions things"? If everything mean EVERYTHING, please show me the ayats which shows how to make a islamic website to preach islam to everyone, or ho to develop a car, or how to read arabic., or how to define salat.
The above ayats should put to rest that, indeed, Al-Quran is fully detailed.
You have-not shown any proof that can testify to your subjective context of "fully-detailed". Why? All the verses I have read that states "fully-detailed" DOESNOT say
"only in religious issues" nor those it say
"only to obtain prardise" nor does it say
"only in our life objective" nor does it say
"only in for our guidance/growth/development"
nor does it say "only establishing of Islamic jurisprudence."
THE KORAN doesnot have these assertions by you.It says EVERYTHING. (1689) It says EVERY KIND OF EXAMPLE (18.54) But gives NO EXCEPTIONS.
what hasn't Allah hasn't fully explained/detailed, in the best way, in His Qur-an towards that end and, what question/arguement cannot be definitively answered in Qur'an, toward this end?
remember when you ask me the show the verse where GOD says or used the word "ritual." And remember when i said, it will come back to hunt you. well....
i will use the same words you used. If the koran is only the guidance for "obtaining our goal in life" or "towards the end"..........
For you to make this claim, you must then provide the ayat where Allah says..."toward this end" or "fully-detail for obtaining our life goal", otherwise, you are saying something, again, which Allah did not say Himself.
Please show me the exact ayat or admit you dont have it.
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Zenje
According to your logical, you know if you use an arabic dictionary to define koranic words, that is a source of explaination outside the koran right? you are contradicting those verse (6115-114)?
A Scripture whose verses are detailed, a Quran in Arabic, for a people who know.
So, if you are learning arabic and ask the techer what salat mean or how to develop the meaning for salat using root words or whatever, you are not using the koran and therefore using an outside source for religious guidance right?
If not, please show an ayat that proves you SHOULD ONLY use the koran to define arabic words.
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SHM
PREIST With this in mnd then, what hasn't Allah hasn't fully explained/detailed, in the best way, in His Qur-an towards that end and, what question/arguement cannot be definitively answered in Qur'an, toward this end?
Ah....That is the problem. YOU subjectively select the context of "fully-detailed." It is the same old argument you and other use. I already explain how the koran is not "fully-detailed" by your concept of "everything in the koran only" argument, but here it is again.
The dress code for submitting men and women are not fully-detailed. Yet when you bring this to the awareness of those who preach "everything in the koran only" they subjectively select this matter as not important as "spiritual guidance", contradicting themselves to what they testify. IF our dress is not important or in the context of "spiritual development" WHY WOULD GOD EVEN MENTION IT! Although everthing in the Koran is for guidance only (2185), people who preach "koran in everything only" would subjectively select what is guidance, "spiritual guidance" , koranic guidance, and all other classification to aviod explaining why the details for many issues in the koran is not "fully-detailed."
O.K. Allah says His Book is fully detailed or, if you like, just detailed, it doesn't matter, because when Allah details something, it is is done to it's fullest extent, otherwise, He would not be Allah.
Now, whatever Allah has said in Al-Quran, relative to dress, is sufficient/fully detailed, othewrwise, He would be contradicting Himself.
Do you accept this ayat
29.51 Is it not sufficient/enough for them that We have revealed to you the Book which is recited to them? Most surely there is mercy in this and a reminder for a people who believe.
If you accept that ayat, then there is no possible means for you to even think, much less, outright state that Allah's Quran is not fully detailed/He hasn't detailed something fully in His Quran.
Don't you understand that, dress, also comes under the rubic of guidance?? Everything mentioned in Al-Quran is for our guidance.
Given that, Allah speaks of dress and how one is to dress, if one disobeys that, then, that individual is subject to Allah's wrath, because he/she has disregarded His law/commandment. With this is in mind then, how is it possible that Allah did not fully detail the dress code in Al-Quran? If it weren't fully detailed, then how could Allah hold in account an individual who didn't adhere to it?
So, tell me, if Allah, The Lord of the Worlds, didn't fully detail the dress code...then who did? and where are the full details for the dress code to be found then?
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Okay....Did GOD use "except" here? If he didnt, which he didnt, what does "everything" mean. The verse clearly states an "explanations for everything." So "everything" here means "everything" or "somethings" or just "religions things"? If everything mean EVERYTHING, please show me the ayats which shows how to make a islamic website to preach islam to everyone, or ho to develop a car, or how to read arabic., or how to define salat.
1689] The day will come when we will raise from every community a witness from among them, and bring you as the witness of these people. We have revealed to you this book to provide explanations for everything, and guidance, and mercy, and good news for the submitters.
Please noted it says "EVERYTHING AND GUIDANCE", isolating the two elements as something different and not similar.
If everything mean EVERYTHING, please show me the ayats which shows how to make a islamic website to preach islam to everyone, or ho to develop a car, or how to read arabic., or how to define salat.
Tell you what, seeing how you reject my explanations, what do you think Allah meant/means by...everything? Don't you think he foresaw people like you , who, would ask such questions or, do you think you've caught Allah in a mistake and He's wrong? Apparently, according to your logic, Allah is in error when he used the term everything, because He didn't include the details on how to build a stealth bomber or website.
So, what does everything mean then?
i will use the same words you used. If the koran is only the guidance for "obtaining our goal in life" or "towards the end"..........
For you to make this claim, you must then provide the ayat where Allah says..."toward this end" or "fully-detail for obtaining our life goal", otherwise, you are saying something, again, which Allah did not say Himself.
I have no idea what you are asking here, please rephrase.