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    Raaajah
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    Paradox Uncreated

    I didn't read this entire thread, and I'm sure someone must have mentioned it, because it must be the simplest error to put back.

    I suggest you read it!

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      Muhammad peace is upon him was the greatest Monotheist and we follow him as per command of Allah.

      Salaam. Raaajah, are you demonstrating a perfect example of "divinizing" the messenger? In the first place, who decided that prophet Muhammad was the greatest monotheist, why did you arbitrarily deduce this conclusion? If you give 100/100 marks to Muhammad for his monotheism how much does Abraham get? Since what you mean is that Abraham, Moses, Jesus etc score lesser than Muhammad on a monotheism scale because as you say only "Muhammad is the greatest Monotheist".

      Should remember he was chosen for the message to be delivered and not only to deliver but to practically implement it successfully; the most important task you may have skipped. Therefore he is NO ordinary man but the Chosen one the SEAL.

      Say, "I am but a human being like you, being inspired that your god is One god.

      Is there any verse that makes it more clear that Muhammad IS an ordinary person ? Think through Quran, not through your emotions.

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        Raaajah
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        Riazuddin

        Salaam

        Is there any verse that makes it more clear that Muhammad IS an ordinary person ? Think through Quran, not through your emotions.

        A person without emotions is a robot. There are several verses of Quran, in fact every verse of Quran indicates that Muhammad Peace is upon him is NO ordinary person. One needs an eye opening in your mind for that. Several verses have been discussed on several pages of this thread you may visit them before arriving at any conclusion.

        Salaam. Raaajah, are you demonstrating a perfect example of "divinizing" the messenger? In the first place, who decided that prophet Muhammad was the greatest monotheist, why did you arbitrarily deduce this conclusion? If you give 100/100 marks to Muhammad for his monotheism how much does Abraham get? Since what you mean is that Abraham, Moses, Jesus etc score lesser than Muhammad on a monotheism scale because as you say only "Muhammad is the greatest Monotheist".

        No You are wrong!
        Quran decided that Muhammad peace is upon him is the greatest Monotheist.
        Through Quran.
        Abraham gets 100%.
        I never rated any one on any scale.
        I never said only; Muhammad peace is upon him is one of the greatest.

        Say, "I am but a human being like you, being inspired that your god is One god.

        Ayat quoted at wrong time dear Hassan. People at that time criticized that how come a messenger be a human?, he should be an Angel, or some other creation one with super natural powers and miracles. Allah answers the above quote.
        This ayat confirms that he was an EXTRA ORDINARY human being, a human being in billions who was chosen by Allah.
        Ponder.

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          Raaajah
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          Salaam Asana,

          Let us go back to the verses quoted by mmkhan.

          Your logic is that in these verses Allah is sending Salaam on prophets and we should not; that is what I understood from your posts. Correct me if I am wrong, because without knowing your exact position I am unable to comment. Read the following verse

          They said "Dost thou wonder at Allah's decree? the grace of Allah and His blessings on you, o ye people of the house! for He is indeed worthy of all praise, full of all glory!"

          Who are "they"? off course not Allah, Allah sends blessings and Salaam on prophets AND so do the Angels following Allah and so do we dear Asana. I can't just understand a bit of your logic for not allowing to say us Salaam to prophets.

          read this again

          Peace upon Ilyaas We perpetuated his praise in the later generations, this is how we repay for the good deeds.from Surah 37

          Asana

          And you didn?t answer to 1933?..I?m really interested to know how you understand this verse.

          read 1915

          and then read Al-Muminoon 99-101, after that we may discuss are the prophets and martyrs alive or not? and is it us who cannot perceive or something else.

          Asana

          Believing is in regard/related to the message of God that they were raised/chosen to deliver it not as a person?..Messengers of God without Message are an ordinary person?.the whole point of believing in them is for the messages that they carried/delivered to us??.They would testify that they only delivered what they were told by God not some thing like Hadith&sunna/man made laws etc.

          You may scroll back a page to see my reply to this absurd claim. An ordinary person cannot deliver the message of Allah, he has to be extra ordinary.

          Raja on January 14, 2011

          That is simply a misleading statement. How can a message earn a respect if it is to be delivered by a person who is drunk, steals, embezzles,lies,and lives a life for himself. The messenger is the most important part of the system that Allah has made to listen to his commands and implement it.

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            Quran decided that Muhammad peace is upon him is the greatest Monotheist.

            Can you please remind me which verse of the Quran declares Muhammad as the greatest monotheist ?

            in fact every verse of Quran indicates that Muhammad Peace is upon him is NO ordinary person.

            Judge your own self on this one, the depth of this wrong statement is immeasurable !!

            2165 Among the people are some who take other than God as equals to Him, they love them as they love God; but those who acknowledge love God more strongly.

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              mmkhan
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              Salaam,

              No You are wrong!
              Quran decided that Muhammad peace is upon him is the greatest Monotheist.
              Through Quran.
              Abraham gets 100%.
              I never rated any one on any scale.
              I never said only; Muhammad peace is upon him is one of the greatest.

              Mohammed (AS) with "peace is upon him"

              Ibrahim (AS) ???

              I make no difference in Prophets

              May Allah guide us all towards the truth pr
              Mohammed M. Khan

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                Paradox_Uncreated
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                Paradox Uncreated
                I suggest you read it!

                It's impossible, it would put me to sleep.

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                  Raaajah
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                  It's impossible, it would put me to sleep.

                  Nothing is impossible; Sleep is good for health!

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                    Raaajah
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                    Riazuddin

                    Can you please remind me which verse of the Quran declares Muhammad as the greatest monotheist ?

                    Salaam

                    Yes! "but they won't believe"

                    "What thing is most weighty in evidence?" Say "Allah is witness between me and you; This Qur'an hath been revealed to me by inspiration, that I may warn you and all whom it reaches. Can ye possibly bear witness that besides Allah there is another Allah?" Say "Nay! I cannot bear witness!" Say "But in truth He is the one Allah, and I truly am innocent of joining others with Him."

                    Say, "Is it other than Allah I should take as a protector, Creator of the heavens and the earth, while it is He who feeds and is not fed?" Say, , "Indeed, I have been commanded to be the first who submit and 'Do not ever be of the polytheists.' "

                    He it is Who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the Religion of Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, however much the idolaters may be averse.

                    It is not a difficult task to interlink these ayats.

                    Allah ho Akbar!

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                      Hasan Bin Izhar

                      Salaam

                      Yes! "but they won't believe"

                      "What thing is most weighty in evidence?" Say "Allah is witness between me and you; This Qur'an hath been revealed to me by inspiration, that I may warn you and all whom it reaches. Can ye possibly bear witness that besides Allah there is another Allah?" Say "Nay! I cannot bear witness!" Say "But in truth He is the one Allah, and I truly am innocent of joining others with Him."

                      Say, "Is it other than Allah I should take as a protector, Creator of the heavens and the earth, while it is He who feeds and is not fed?" Say, , "Indeed, I have been commanded to be the first who submit and 'Do not ever be of the polytheists.' "

                      He it is Who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the Religion of Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, however much the idolaters may be averse.

                      It is not a difficult task to interlink these ayats.

                      Allah ho Akbar!

                      Interlink what, Raajah? interlink these with elevating the prophet to some arbitrary rank that you decided for him? This message is a simple one and the same message of monotheism which all the prophets and messengers were asked to deliver. How does Muhammad become elevated among all the messengers for delivering this message? Instead of stressing on the message you find it important to praise the messenger, but is this going to benefit you? And why are you not that generous in praising other messengers?

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                        Can you please remind me which verse of the Quran declares Muhammad as the greatest monotheist ?

                        Hasan Bin Izhar

                        Salaam

                        Yes! "but they won't believe"

                        "What thing is most weighty in evidence?" Say "Allah is witness between me and you; This Qur'an hath been revealed to me by inspiration, that I may warn you and all whom it reaches. Can ye possibly bear witness that besides Allah there is another Allah?" Say "Nay! I cannot bear witness!" Say "But in truth He is the one Allah, and I truly am innocent of joining others with Him."

                        Say, "Is it other than Allah I should take as a protector, Creator of the heavens and the earth, while it is He who feeds and is not fed?" Say, , "Indeed, I have been commanded to be the first who submit and 'Do not ever be of the polytheists.' "

                        He it is Who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the Religion of Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, however much the idolaters may be averse.

                        It is not a difficult task to interlink these ayats.

                        Allah ho Akbar!

                        Raaajah may I add

                        O

                        Like that obliging beneficence that We have since sent/appointed-declared among you as the Messenger who was perpetually and persistently a believer-Muslim from amongst you. He keeps reciting, word by word/syllable by syllable for you people, Our Aa'ya'at/verbal statements conveying information, facts, and thus uplifts/sanctifies/elevates you and educates/instructs/teaches you people the Book and wisdom/the invisible information/data . And he tells you the knowledge/information/data which hitherto you did not have .

                        While reading Grand Qur'aan it must be kept in mind that it was gradually and intermittently revealed and communicated to people who were the contemporary of the period of its revelation. Therefore whatever is elided, while conveying a new Ayat-verbal presentation of information, was already in their knowledge and perception.
                        Arabs dislike using larger quantity of words and convey voluminous information by employing minimum words which also reflects that the Arabic language regards its listener and reader as a responsible, attentive and intelligent person who focuses his concentration of listening and perception faculties on that which is being stated.

                        The structuring of sentences of Grand Qur'aan is unique and unparallel. The beauty inherent in such structuring is that its meanings and perception remains the same from the perspective of its first listeners and those who read it in written text afterwards.

                        The elided adjective between -is the peculiar trait of the person appointed and declared as the Messenger, which was known and was an acknowledged/accepted fact for the people who listened this sentence at the time of its revelation.

                        Since the posterity, who understand the structuring of Arabic sentences, could presume any positive trait and attribute it to the Messenger as elided adjective, Allah has specifically made it clear, as to what that adjectival trait is, in the Ayat 3164

                        "Indeed Allah had conferred beneficence/ indebtedness upon the Believers when He appointed a Revivalist/ re-Awakener as Messenger from amongst them "

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                          Raaajah
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                          Salaam Mazhar Sahib,

                          At the top as usual.

                          Actually this can only happen when a transition takes place in one's life. Lately i was reading Mumtaz Mufti's "Labaik" and at many times in my mind during this reading your name popped up, i don't know why?.

                          May Allah bless you further with understanding of Quran and love for Muhmmmad peace is upon him, I have learned a lot from you.

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                            Raaajah
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                            mmkhan

                            Mohammed (AS) with "peace is upon him"

                            Ibrahim (AS) Huh?

                            Thanks for pointing that out, actually Mazhar had once guided me to use a tab for this so I don't have to retype it again and again, which I was unable to, may be it gives me pleasure to retype every time I use name of Muhammad peace is upon him..
                            But be sure dear that it is not because of disrespect of some one, When ever I talk about Hazrat Ibraheem it is with respect as Quran has told us to, will take care next time.

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                              mmkhan
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                              mmkhan
                              Thanks for pointing that out, actually Mazhar had once guided me to use a tab for this so I don't have to retype it again and again, which I was unable to, may be it gives me pleasure to retype every time I use name of Muhammad peace is upon him..
                              But be sure dear that it is not because of disrespect of some one, When ever I talk about Hazrat Ibraheem it is with respect as Quran has told us to, will take care next time.

                              You are welcome

                              Muhammad peace is upon him..

                              Hazrat Ibraheem ???

                              This really shows your love towards Mohammed (AS) only.

                              2136

                              2136 Say We believe in Allah and in what was sent down to us and what was sent down to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the Patriarchs, and what was given to Moses and Jesus, and what was given to the prophets from their Lord; we do not make a distinction between any of them and to Him we submit.

                              2285

                              2285 The messenger believes in what was sent down to him from his Lord; and the believers, all who believe in Allah, and His angels, and His Books, and His messengers We do not make a distinction between any of His messengers; and they said We hear and obey, forgive us our Lord, and to you is our destiny.

                              4152

                              4152 And those who believe in Allah and His messengers and do not make a distinction between any of them, We will give them their recompense. And Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

                              May Allah guide us all to the path of the Truth pr
                              Mohammed M. Khan

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                                mmkhan
                                Thanks for pointing that out, actually Mazhar had once guided me to use a tab for this so I don't have to retype it again and again, which I was unable to, may be it gives me pleasure to retype every time I use name of Muhammad peace is upon him..
                                But be sure dear that it is not because of disrespect of some one, When ever I talk about Hazrat Ibraheem it is with respect as Quran has told us to, will take care next time.

                                classic example of personality cult devotee !!
                                Good for you, specially after you have taken Mazhar as your "guide" !!!

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                                  Mazhar
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                                  Raaaja salam,

                                  It is a good read.
                                  ?

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                                    mmkhan
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                                    Raaaja salam,

                                    It is a good read.
                                    ?

                                    Why don't you dare writing your DOGS story in English? This is not an Urdu forum.

                                    So, I understand now that you not only take Bukhari, Muslim, ....... but you also take "Qudrat Shahaab" also for your guidance, MashaAllah.

                                    May Allah give you THE BEST REWARD for the same and guide us to His path. pr

                                    Mohammed M. Khan

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                                      unknownuser
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                                      We Quran alone muslims have no issues with dogs, so I don't mind being called one. But Mazhar, your etiquette are "commendable".

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                                        Mazhar
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                                        Do you understand what Shahab had said?

                                        There are many who just see a word in a text and start perceiving things and feel satisfied that they have understood what is stated therein.

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                                          Raaajah
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                                          Mazhar

                                          Do you understand what Shahab had said?

                                          There are many who just see a word in a text and start perceiving things and feel satisfied that they have understood what is stated therein.

                                          off course that is the difference, which makes Qudarat Ullah Shahab different from those so called Intellectuals
                                          (Danishwers). If only they would have understood!
                                          As I said before it only happens when a transition takes place, we start reading beneath the words.

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