Study on Quranist, Quran alone, Quranites ect.
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Thank you Jinn for claryfying that. I'm aware that DR. Khalifa has some very different views in perhaps the most important issue but I still felt that it was a good idea to read his books because of his Quran only approach.
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Male/ Female Male
Age39
NationalityTurkish
Parents background ( if different from nationality)Born as a Muslim? ( in a muslim family) Yep
Level of education University graduate
Are you from a city or from the country? City
How did you first come to learn about Quranism ( for a lack of a better word) ? Research on Islam.
And at what age? 37Do you personaly know fellow Quranist or are you alone with your view in your social network? Just one more
Do you primarily reject Hadith on the basis of authority or authenticity? Both, all fabrication.
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Male/ Female Male
Age 29
Nationality USA
Parents background ( if different from nationality) USA
Born as a Muslim? ( in a muslim family) No, I am the only Muslim in a Christian family.
Level of education Doctor of Jurisprudence
Are you from a city or from the country? Born in the country, live in the city now.
How did you first come to learn about Quranism ( for a lack of a better word) ? Surfing the web and finding Free-Minds.org.
And at what age? 29 (I just took Shahadah about a month ago).
Do you personaly know fellow Quranist or are you alone with your view in your social network? Alone.
Do you primarily reject Hadith on the basis of authority or authenticity? I am perhaps not a true Qur'anist because I tend to accept the Hadith that make sense or seem reliable. I do, however, realize that hearsay is inherently unreliable and especially regarding religion there is a lot of motivation for fabrication. Hence I accept those Hadith that do not conflict with the Qur'an and seem beneficial.
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Salam, Peace,
Male/ Female Male
Age 39
Nationality Morrocan
Parents background ( if different from nationality)
Born as a Muslim? ( in a muslim family) as traditional muslim, becam muslim later.
Level of education bachelor
Are you from a city or from the country? city
How did you first come to learn about Quranism ( for a lack of a better word) ? personal investigation, books, internet, I started to read Dr Rashad Khalifa works.
And at what age? 28
Do you personaly know fellow Quranist or are you alone with your view in your social network? No
Do you primarily reject Hadith on the basis of authority or authenticity? authority
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Salam and Peace!
Is Denier of the names of Sahaba, out of Islam???
Read the following link, if you please
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602395.0
Dear Jonas_dk,
Please visit the link, and know the reason why the muslim ummah follow the ahadith, and why are there so many sects in the muslim ummah. -
Please don't spam the same post on different threads.
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Male/ Female Male
Age 24
Nationality Indonesia
Parents background ( if different from nationality)
Born as a Muslim? ( in a muslim family) Yes
Level of education College
Are you from a city or from the country? City
How did you first come to learn about Quranism ( for a lack of a better word) ? Research
And at what age? 20-21
Do you personaly know fellow Quranist or are you alone with your view in your social network? yes, my brother and sisters
Do you primarily reject Hadith on the basis of authority or authenticity? Both
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Peace Jonas.
Male/ Female Male
Age 30
Nationality American
Parents background ( if different from nationality)
Born as a Muslim? ( in a muslim family) baptised and raised catholic
Level of education trade school and some college
Are you from a city or from the country? A souther New Jersey suburb of Philadelphia
How did you first come to learn about Quranism ( for a lack of a better word) ? after researching miracles of Quran, learned about initialed chapters and 19
And at what age?27
Do you personaly know fellow Quranist or are you alone with your view in your social network? alone locally, but on internet I'm in contact with many
Do you primarily reject Hadith on the basis of authority or authenticity? Too many of them to read, life is short, I just want to follow God and his Messenger. The Quran is the authoritive messenger and miraculously it continues to authenticate itself. God knows Muhammad knew this.
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Male/ Female Female
Age 31
Nationality American
Parents background ( if different from nationality) same
Born as a Muslim? ( in a muslim family) no
Level of education Associate's
Are you from a city or from the country? Suburbs
How did you first come to learn about Quranism ( for a lack of a better word) ? 2 years ago
And at what age? 29
Do you personaly know fellow Quranist or are you alone with your view in your social network? Alone
Do you primarily reject Hadith on the basis of authority or authenticity? Both.
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Male/ Female Male
Age37
Nationality Swedish
Parents background ( if different from nationality)
Born as a Muslim? ( in a muslim family) No
Level of education University
Are you from a city or from the country? City
How did you first come to learn about Quranism ( for a lack of a better word) ? Searching by myself
And at what age? 35
Do you personaly know fellow Quranist or are you alone with your view in your social network? Except for pages like FM I have trouble finding QA?s
Do you primarily reject Hadith on the basis of authority or authenticity? If I had to choose between those two, Authenticity.
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Thank you for your answers Aynur and Emil.
It seems there is a pattern that slightly over half of the answers come from people who are born Christian and then have embraced the islamic faith later on.. Do you think that this applies to the entire forum in general?
Hope to hear from even more with answers on my questions and again thanks for the help..
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Here is my partners answers, he is not registered on this site
Male/ Female Male
Age 27
Nationality Lebanese
Parents background ( if different from nationality) Lebanese
Born as a Muslim? ( in a muslim family) yes
Level of education high school
Are you from a city or from the country? city
How did you first come to learn about Quranism ( for a lack of a better word) ? When I started to study my religion on my own rather than just be a blind follower. My wife opened my eyes to alot of things.
And at what age? 26
Do you personaly know fellow Quranist or are you alone with your view in your social network? Just my wife
Do you primarily reject Hadith on the basis of authority or authenticity? Both
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Salaam Aleykum
Male/ Female Female
Age 31
Nationality British
Parents background ( if different from nationality) same
Born as a Muslim? ( in a muslim family) no
Level of education still learning! Got some A'levels though
Are you from a city or from the country? Not a big city, more of a village / town, but not far away from a big city.
How did you first come to learn about Quranism ( for a lack of a better word) ? Submission.org and free-minds
And at what age? 26
Do you personally know fellow Quranist or are you alone with your view in your social network? Alone in real life, online not so much due to Facebook
Do you primarily reject Hadith on the basis of authority or authenticity? authority
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Thank you Ozi Kristi-lee and UmAlawi for your answers.. Once again 2 answers where one is born into a traditional muslim family and another who has imbraced islam later on.. intressting..
Please keep on the great job contributing to this thread everybody..
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Male/ Female Male
Age 35
Nationality Turk
Parents background ( if different from nationality) both Turk
Born as a Muslim? ( in a muslim family) Yes but not religious
Level of education M.S
Are you from a city or from the country? city
How did you first come to learn about Quranism ( for a lack of a better word) ? Actually I was like everyone in my society at the beginning, had standard knowledge of Islam, for a while tried to be brainwashed by Gulen supporters, thank God, got rid of them, after then I became only Quran follower but still non practicising. By the way I do not like terms like Quranism and Quranist )
And at what age? 28Do you personaly know fellow Quranist or are you alone with your view in your social network? alone
Do you primarily reject Hadith on the basis of authority or authenticity? yes both
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Thanks Wren and fbahadir for giving me your answers. I totally understand that you do not like the term Quranist but as I stated yearlier I used it to distiguish between the islam that people were born into and the islam that they are follwing now. Therefore I could not simply use the word "muslim" because it would have been confusing. I off course recognize that in fact the religion you are follwing is islam. Thanks again for your answers..
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How did you first come to learn about Quranism ( for a lack of a better word) ? Actually I was like everyone in my society at the beginning, had standard knowledge of Islam, for a while tried to be brainwashed by Gulen supporters, thank God, got rid of them, after then I became only Quran follower but still non practicising. By the way I do not like terms like Quranism and Quranist )
And at what age? 28rotfl
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Peace Jonas and the mercy of Allah (SWT) be on you;
P.S. (Pre-script) I understand that this is merely a research assignment, but you mentioned it was on different types of Islam and not different types of Muslim. However it is called "Lived Islam" which suggests it is more about people's experience with Islam. Whichever way, consider it merely one Muslim view of the subject. From your greeting you seem to be a Muslim of some kind. Good luck peace
The difference between a traditional Muslim and a "Qur'an-alone" Muslim is that one either believes the prophet was infallible in spite of the Qur'anic evidence to the contrary and one does not, or one believes that there is an extra Sunna that came with the Qur'an and one does not. Some also follow interpretations of specific ayat which do not find consistency when one studies the Qur'an oneself. You will find that traditional Muslims are traditional because they are brought up in a traditional environment, and so the bigger pattern is perhaps to be found there.
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European (born in Australia)
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Uni
City
I was attracted to Islam by the Message and the core, but I realised that Sunni and Shia (including their subsects) Islam in general was neither spiritual nor sensible. I actually accepted "obey the Messenger" as proof of the authority of ahadith, but it was the weird ahadith that kept me away. I noticed that some had the "Qur'anist" interpretation and that the traditional responses were always the same (obey the Messenger). In time I also noticed it was a dud argument passed on from one wishful person to another.
Decided to convert at 21, and converted at 21.
I personally know some Sunnis who only follow ahadith because they are told to. They agree with my views. I have some Shia friends whom I debate, but they admit that Shiism is simply an option for those who wish to make particular odd assumptions.
I reject the concept of "hadith" as Divine Revelation and as anything more than examples (true or false, good or bad). E.g. salaat is an example pieced together from lots of different pieces of paper, and then the only reason to follow that is to keep congregation-prayer organised. Salaat is in the Qur'an, but I think that Sunnis and Shia simply take the "pray as you see me praying" hadith out of context and think that every little thing (e.g. number of rakat) is important. Indeed, Qur'anic prayer is better than whistling and clapping hands. It is easy to see how changing the words of a hadith would change its meaning, and it is no surprise that people start worshipping it. To say that a "Qur'an-alone" Muslim just rejects a HADITH is inaccurate because he or she might be rejecting its rendering or interpretation (e.g. what was the context of the saying, if it is true)? Secondly, authority is irrelevant since it will be compared to the Qur'an. If consistent with the Qur'an, it is a good example (but not obligatory until someone can prove so from the Qur'an). Ahadith are not themselves little entities or "scraps of authority/authenticity"
"And say Surely I am the plain warner. Like as We sent down on the dividers, those who made the Quran into shreds."
1589-91
They are words as real as those which I am writing here. They will be authoritative if you want them to be, or if you think that they are based on your interpretation of Qur'anic ayat, and just because you know that my exact words here are authentic (because this is what I wrote!), authenticity has nothing to do with my intention. If you report my words by word of mouth and give to them your interpretation/understanding, then maybe in two hundred years they can be passed on as philoophical law. This will obviously happen to someone who is in charge of a movement such as Islam in the 7th century, and unlike Muhammad (SAW) among his associates, I am not going to be seen as "important" by mine. Muhammad (SAW) had to make many decisions in his day because he was the leader, but where the decisions are judgements of conduct etc., it is to be remembered that he only judged by the Qur'an (548-49) and that his judgements are examples (see notes for 2124, 331-32, 548-49, 81 and 2454 of the commentary). Etc. etc. the arguments go on. Besides that, most ahadith were fabricated in their day (99% of Bukhari's initial collection and 99% of Muslim's initial collection apparently). Where they contradict the Qur'an, only a senseless person would accept them as obligatory or even as suggestible. Only someone who thinks they can prove two sources of Revelation from the Qur'an will think that we even need the ahadith to be Muslims. The Qur'an is partly contextual (e.g. sacred months), but just because it is not a history textbook nor a book that teaches us Arabic, it does not mean the Qur'an is not complete and fully-detailed for guidance in the Islamic manner of life.
Salaat in the Qur'an
http//allpoetry.com/column/2365008
http//allpoetry.com/column/2366095Qur'an-alone Islam actually works
http//allpoetry.com/column/2365012
The questions you ask are irrelevant to anyone who can understand this
http//allpoetry.com/column/2365237
Since as I mentioned traditional Muslims are a result of traditional interpretation (just as Islam in the eyes of non-Muslims is a result of the media and traditional Muslims), most people do not go through the Qur'an themselves
http//allpoetry.com/column/2365975
My point is that your questions are not detailed enough to extract any useful/relevant information. They might tell you some trivial things about "Qur'an-alone" Muslims, but nothing about what they follow or why (the intial doctrinal arguments obviously came from Arabic-speakers, after all). You should research the merit of the arguments employed, and to do that you will have to talk to the most knowledgeable/prepared people. After all, Sunnis always complain that people (non-Muslims, non-Sunnis) have come to them instead of asking the Sunni scholars! It should also be noted that the majority of traditional Muslims would not be able to argue with the "Qur'an-alone" viewpoint when it is presented in a manner devoid of alteration of the meaning of words/number of prayers etc.. Traditional responses are merely complaints devoid of logical substance. Many traditional Muslims would also agree with the "Qur'an-alone" viewpoint so long as the "Qur'an-alone" Muslims did not have to alter the meaning of the Qur'an to survive without ahadith. The Message is simple and can be followed without considering a single hadith as law.
If the Qur'an really is not sufficient, then Islam does not make sense.
Do you agree?
Peace.