Article on Angels
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Salaam,
How will you understand the following aayaats?
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230 And your Lord said to the angels I am placing a successor on the earth. They said Will You place in it he who would make corruption in it, and spill blood; while we praise by Your glory, and exalt to You? He said I know what you do not know.1795
1795 Say If the earth had angels walking about in security, We would have sent down to them from the heaven an angel as a messenger.4360
4360 And if We willed, We could have made some of you angels to be successors on the earth.7431
7431 And We have made the guardians of the Fire to be angels; and We did not make their number except as a test for those who have rejected, so that those who were given the Book would understand, and those who have faith would be increased in faith, and so that those who have been given the Book and the believers do not have doubt, and so that those who have a sickness in their hearts and the rejecters would say What did Allah mean with an example such as this? It is such that Allah misguides whom He wishes, and He guides whom He wishes. And none know the soldiers of your Lord except He; and it is but a reminder for human beings.May Allah guide us all to His only path pr
Mohammed M. KhanSalem brother
You made good points with the verses. but
why malaika are translated Angels ? who decided that they're angels of the bible and greec mythologie? why did our lord call them Malaika and Malak , closer to the word Mulk and Malik ?someone translated the word controlers, I believe it was Layth or Aymen, I use to like this translation , because it is closer to logic, but , than I now believe 100% that Malaika = Communicators , Malak = Kalam ( in another dimension ) not a voice with sound word , but the meaning of the word is the Malak if it is a word from the Lord.
Malaiqua = communicators
Malak = Kalam meaningsexemple , a word from the lord Imane gives the word, Amana, Amanna, Mouminoun, Aminou , Amana , AAmin .... one word gives you a variety of good words.
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Salaam bro,
Salem brother
You made good points with the verses. but
why malaika are translated Angels ? who decided that they're angels of the bible and greec mythologie? why did our lord call them Malaika and Malak , closer to the word Mulk and Malik ?It does not mean that what ever others believe is wrong in total and we have to create a new meaning for each and every word and change all the stories.
someone translated the word controlers, I believe it was Layth or Aymen, I use to like this translation , because it is closer to logic,
I translated 'Malak' as 'King' already in another thread which is very close the above translation, please take a look http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602167.msg277408#msg277408
but , than I now believe 100% that Malaika = Communicators , Malak = Kalam ( in another dimension ) not a voice with sound word , but the meaning of the word is the Malak if it is a word from the Lord.
Malaiqua = communicators
Malak = Kalam meaningsNow you have to show me how did you extract those meanings? The meaning of 'Malak' that you made above is something similar that I believe is the meaning of wahi.
May Allah guide us all to His only path pr
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Peace all,
From my understanding, malaika refers to "the laws of nature" like Gravity, Causality, Nuclear force, Procreation... and many other laws or forces of which we are still unaware.
These laws are always doing what they are supposed to do. They were created by the god the creator and are following his orders tothe lettre, and would never do otherwise.
Now, they were told to submit to Adam (humans) only after when Adam was taught the names of things, after he was able to differentiate between things and created language and concepts. Adam was then able to use these forces or laws for his benefit, and thus human civilizations flourished all around the earth.
As an example, the force of gravity is harnessed and used in water dams to drive turbines to produce electricity.
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Salaam Someone,
Peace all,
From my understanding, malaika refers to "the laws of nature" like Gravity, Causality, Nuclear force, Procreation... and many other laws or forces of which we are still unaware.
These laws are always doing what they are supposed to do. They were created by the god the creator and are following his orders tothe lettre, and would never do otherwise.
Now, they were told to submit to Adam (humans) only after when Adam was taught the names of things, after he was able to differentiate between things and created language and concepts. Adam was then able to use these forces or laws for his benefit, and thus human civilizations flourished all around the earth.
As an example, the force of gravity is harnessed and used in water dams to drive turbines to produce electricity.
How will reply to the above reply # 5 about malaika?
And where did you get the idea of Adam being humans from? Adam is singular not plural.
May Allah guide us all to His only path pr
Mohammed M. Khan -
I think, this is the best definition I have heard so far. It makes the most sense to me. Thanks!
God knows best
SalaamControllers or controlling forces of nature, etc..
1795 can't abide on earth?
351... as messengers?
2275 messengers are both human and in malayka form.Insightful posts/threads
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=8122.15
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=8122.msg19564#msg19564
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9428.msg37654#msg37654Peace
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Controllers or controlling forces of nature, etc..
1795 can't abide on earth?
351... as messengers?
2275 messengers are both human and in malayka form.Insightful posts/threads
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=8122.15
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=8122.msg19564#msg19564
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9428.msg37654#msg37654Peace
RASSOUL = Receivers and not messengers, a messenger in the quran is called MABAOUTH. someone sent.
RASSOUL ALLAH = RECEIVERS OF THE LAW.
RASSOUL = RECEIVER
RISSALA = A RECEPTION , always mentioned is pluriel RISSALATE , ( RECEPTIONS ) , if it was message, we know that the message is only one, but rissalate is pluriel, therefore rissalates is receptions
KITAB = MESSAGE / CONTENT
MABAOUTH. = Messenger
NABI = INFORMER
ANBAA = Informations
NABAA = informationMALAIKA = Communications with the word of Allah in them. communications receivers , Kalam is a synonym of malak
malaika are all the communications, between matter and law of nature.
exemple, equations are malaika , kalam is a small part of malaika , that we can accept or reject.ALLAH KNOWS BEST
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Salaam Someone,
How will reply to the above reply # 5 about malaika?
And where did you get the idea of Adam being humans from? Adam is singular not plural.
May Allah guide us all to His only path pr
Mohammed M. KhanPeace mmkhan,
Anyone of us can be considered as an "Adam", especially considering the development of our intelectual abilities from complete ignorance and a state of hapiness when children in this big garden Earth, then we accumulate knowledge about our environment for sometime, then we face tests during our adult life... In many ways, we are similar to Adam.
Peace
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I seek refuge in Allah from Shaitaan alrajeem
Please translate for me the following aayaats
RASSOUL = Receivers and not messengers, a messenger in the quran is called MABAOUTH. someone sent.
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RASSOUL ALLAH = RECEIVERS OF THE LAW.
RASSOUL = RECEIVER933
RISSALA = A RECEPTION , always mentioned is pluriel RISSALATE , ( RECEPTIONS ) , if it was message, we know that the message is only one, but rissalate is pluriel, therefore rissalates is receptions
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Also used singular in 567, 6124, 779, etc.
KITAB = MESSAGE / CONTENT
MABAOUTH. = Messenger255
256MALAIKA = Communications with the word of Allah in them. communications receivers , Kalam is a synonym of malak
malaika are all the communications, between matter and law of nature.
exemple, equations are malaika , kalam is a small part of malaika , that we can accept or reject.4251
Kalam is a synonym of malak
Is the below synonym correct as per your understanding?
Baraqa = Qaraba
Baqara = Raqaba
Balagha = GhalabaJust to quote the few and like to your understanding.
May Allah guide us all to His only path pr
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Salaam Someone,
Peace mmkhan,
Anyone of us can be considered as an "Adam", especially considering the development of our intelectual abilities from complete ignorance and a state of hapiness when children in this big garden Earth, then we accumulate knowledge about our environment for sometime, then we face tests during our adult life... In many ways, we are similar to Adam.
Peace
Can you please quote me some of the aayaats from which you extract the meaning of Adam?
"this big garden Earth" it is called "Duniya" a derivative of "Adna" in Arabic.
May Allah guide us all to His only path pr
Mohammed M. Khan -
peace mmkhan,
And where did you get the idea of Adam being humans from? Adam is singular not plural.
What do you make of
And We created you (plural), then We shaped you (plural), then We said to the Angels "Submit to Adam;" so they submitted except for Iblees, he was not of those who submitted.
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Peace
I have few doubts on using 711 to cite Adam being plural.
In 711 ?Thumma? can be ?then? as well as ?and? so the creating, fashioning and prostrating to Adam does not have to be in a sequence to mean that it was to Adam that the early part of the verse is referring to. Also, does khalaqnakum (creation) and sawwarnakum ( fashioning) have to be two independent actions from each other or these actions can be related and simultaneous ?
Moreover, in the next verse 712 Adam is referred to in singular (him) twice.
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peace warner,
I dont mind your hypothesis, but as I requested Mazhar in a previous thread, what is the evidence for it. Ideally, several, or at least one, Quranic reference where a seemingly sequential verse is not so.
Also, in my view, I have no problem with "adam" being addressed in the singular and the plural, as he is both individual and collective simultaneously, as I have discussed previously.
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Salaam Wakas,
peace mmkhan,
What do you make of
And We created you (plural), then We shaped you (plural), then We said to the Angels "Submit to Adam;" so they submitted except for Iblees, he was not of those who submitted.
To me 711 is addressing to us all initially then referring to Adam as singular. You can also look at 7172 and 237-38.
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238Hope this helps inshaAllah.
May Allah guide us all to His path pr
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Salaam Wakas,
To me 711 is addressing to us all initially then referring to Adam as singular. You can also look at 7172 and 237-38.
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238Hope this helps inshaAllah.
May Allah guide us all to His path pr
Mohammed M. KhanHello my friend
There is nothing that say Adam is not equal man in the quran
Adam is a word that translated in the 19th century in my coutry to HOMO
Adam isn't a name of a single person, but a name of a kind ( us ) modern name HuMan, in the quran, we're still caled adam, and our parents, direct parents are called adam, ya bani Adam , meaning oh Son of Man.the story of the earliest adam is the same that is repeating today to you and to me and to everybody, we don't realise because we don't understand the quran
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peace warner,
Nowhere did I agree that. I am not saying 711 by itself is 100% proof of the viewpoint I highlighted. I think it is significant and asked for your explanation of it, to which you responded by saying "thumma" can also mean "and". Fair enough. It does not seem to read like that, but it is possible.From PRL
thumma - then, afterwards, moreover, mostly used as a conjunction indicating a sequence in line or order to be rendered as then/thereafter, also used as a more simple conjunction - and.For me, there does seem to be an interplay between the individual and collective, due to the story of adam being an allegory/parable.
Also see 20123
He said "Descend from this, all, some of you (plural) are to others enemy. So, when My guidance comes to you (plural), then, whoever follows (singular) My guidance, he (singular) will not go astray nor suffer."Also see part 10 of this book
http//www.scribd.com/doc/37354743/Understanding-Quran-Themes-and-Style-by-Abdel-Haleem
